why do or dont you like Apple MACBOOKS?

[Zodiark1593]

Macbooks simply are bit a suitable device for myself. Nothing more, and nothing less. 

[Bleedingyamato]

2 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Different companies use them for different things. Right now I am doing work for a client that uses it instead of account names. So when you need to login to something (like their VPN), you plug the card in and it acts as your account name (you still need a password).

 

I can't show it, but it's basically just a credit card with a chip in it. I just remembered that they are called smart cards (SC for short) so Google that for more info.

 

It simply has a SIM card slot. Plug a SIM card in and you get Internet. You need a data plan though. Any data plan should work.

I think my survey of info security class for my MLIS degree mentioned something about some companies using keycards like that for part of user authentication.  That's good your company is using that to improve security.  

 

Sorry.  I meant the card reader on the laptop.  I wasn't asking to see your smart card.  That wouldn't be safe to post what the card looks like in case someone wanted to make a fake card.  I'm just curious about what the reader itself looks like built into the laptop.  

 

I assume it needs a laptop/tablet specific SIM card though?  

 

For example I can't just get a laptop with LTE and use the SIM card from my iPhone correct?

[Bleedingyamato]

2 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

I'd rather use Linux than an apple os, you really can't do much in terms of customization of it minus visuals frankly I feel the same about windows 10, and of course the three points you made about price and gaming all apply to me hence their products serve no purpose to me.

In theory Linux is a great idea: free, organizations/enthusiasts creating a wide variety of versions and continually updating things like security/other features.

 

But the lack of mainstream adoption and at least for gamers like myself the lack of 100% game support makes it significantly less appealing to me and others.  

 

I'd love not having to pay $100 or more to greedy MS to use Windows with bs things like forced updates but I don't want to miss out on games that don't work on Linux.  ?

[Bleedingyamato]

9 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Macbooks simply are bit a suitable device for myself. Nothing more, and nothing less. 

Can you explain what you mean?  I don't understand sorry.  

[malon]

personaly like the ipod/pads since they just do what i want them to do, especialy the older ipods and ipads( still got perfect working first and second gen ipod touches and ipad2) , don't need a macbook(might get an old model if the price is good though)since i got a pc and laptop already and windows will always be my prefered os since i was born into a windows household.

Honestly no hate towards apple products since they do look great, always have had great batterylife in previous generations  and do what i want them to do(not persay what they ar advertsed to do though), also they were less flawed when they originaly released compared to android or windows handheld(not wearables) devices  but that gap is no longer there.

 

 

[christianled59]

3 hours ago, Clanscorpia said:

Nope.

Lol such ignorance. 

[Zodiark1593]

2 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Can you explain what you mean?  I don't understand sorry.  

As of now, all I need in a mobile device is battery life and low power x86 compatibility. A device cheap enough that I could care less if it gets stolen when I'm out and about. A beater, if you will.

 

For myself, a MacBook is too expensive to consider for a secondary or third computer. However, a MacBook isn't powerful enough, nor expandable enough to be my main computer either. If I could get Macbooks at beater (sub $250) prices, then I'd already have a couple though. 

[TheKDub]

3 hours ago, Clanscorpia said:

Gaming laptops are all those things as well

Gaming laptops tend to be user ugradeable, usually allowing for RAM, WIfi Cards, and SSDs/HDDs to be upgraded, and sometimes even the CPU and/or GPU.

 

I dislike apple macbooks because they don't come in all black (I know there was one a while ago that did, but that one's pretty old now, and space grey, that isn't dark enough for me)

They're also incredibly overpriced, as many others here have stated, and they usually can't be user upgraded as well, with some having both the SSD and RAM soldered on.

 

They tend to lack in ports and incredibly useful features, such as a touchscreen display, or actual USB type A ports, or SD Card readers. (Speaking towards the current generation of MBs, MBPs, and MBAs [Yes, I know, the MBA has two USB type A ports and an SDXC card reader)

 

And then for the software, I haven't really used OSX much if at all, though I do know that for what I do, it wouldn't work out too well. (Lots of programming in Java, VB.Net, etc.. occasional gaming, web browsing, graphic design, office use, etc..)

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

I don't mind Macbooks from the Steve Job era. It was absolutely ridiculous for Apple to price the entry level 2008 Uni-body MacBook Pro in 2016 (a product with a third generation i3, 4GB of RAM, and a 500GB HDD) for a whopping $1200. The new line up is an absolute slap in the face for everyone whether you're a fan of Apple or not. Fanboys will say, "the future is wireless and Apple is taking the charge", but they refuse to acknowledge the fact that we're not at the stage where wireless can replace every thing. Just having the ability to use Bluetooth headphones does not confirm the future of wireless is here.

 

[Dabombinable]

No, but primarily only the last 2 generations, as they are very poor value for what they are compared to the competition, unlike older generations (that and older generations of iPads and iPod touch actually had the OS updates stop at the last version that would run perfectly).

 

Give me an older Macbook/Macbook Pro/Macbook Air/iPhone 4S/iPod touch over the current ones (I never liked iMac much TBH).

[LAwLz]

15 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Sorry.  I meant the card reader on the laptop.  I wasn't asking to see your smart card.  That wouldn't be safe to post what the card looks like in case someone wanted to make a fake card.  I'm just curious about what the reader itself looks like built into the laptop.  

Just realized I could use any card in the reader... Here you go. This is what it looks like without and with a card inserted.

Spoiler

 

 

23 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

I assume it needs a laptop/tablet specific SIM card though?  

 

For example I can't just get a laptop with LTE and use the SIM card from my iPhone correct?

No it's just a regular SIM slot. Any SIM card that would work in an unlocked phone will work.

[Clanscorpia]

17 minutes ago, christianled59 said:

Lol such ignorance. 

Ive used Macbooks never owned one. Just stating the facts

 

14 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

Gaming laptops tend to be user ugradeable, usually allowing for RAM, WIfi Cards, and SSDs/HDDs to be upgraded, and sometimes even the CPU and/or GPU.

 

I dislike apple macbooks because they don't come in all black (I know there was one a while ago that did, but that one's pretty old now, and space grey, that isn't dark enough for me)

They're also incredibly overpriced, as many others here have stated, and they usually can't be user upgraded as well, with some having both the SSD and RAM soldered on.

 

They tend to lack in ports and incredibly useful features, such as a touchscreen display, or actual USB type A ports, or SD Card readers. (Speaking towards the current generation of MBs, MBPs, and MBAs [Yes, I know, the MBA has two USB type A ports and an SDXC card reader)

 

And then for the software, I haven't really used OSX much if at all, though I do know that for what I do, it wouldn't work out too well. (Lots of programming in Java, VB.Net, etc.. occasional gaming, web browsing, graphic design, office use, etc..)

Those are gaming laptops though its like comparing an i7 and a Xeon they are for different uses. And the no black is a tick off for me as well. If you compare to other ultrabooks they are not that over priced. Touchscreens are near useless on a laptop that doesnt have a 360 hinge (taken from friends who own touchscreen laptops) but if you do have a hinge its amazing. And the software is a personal choice imo

3 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

ok then please show me benchmarks of a lesser speced OSX machine beating a better speced windows one

Have you even seen the Apple 4K rendering vs windows videos? On how optimized programming for OS X is? For stuff like games I completely agree, but for the tasks the macbook is made for it does perform better.

 

3 hours ago, Sauron said:

They are too expensive, they implement some design choices that I consider very poor, they lock you into the ecosystem and I don't like Apple's attitude towards a lot of things.

 

What more is there to say?

Lenovo begs to differ.

 

I don't see any data to back that up.

Thats not an ultrabook. And as I said in the programs its meant to use it performs better.

 

3 hours ago, manikyath said:

but you dont push the market by removing everything but type C, that's how you make the ports feel horrible, rather than revolutionary.

but i need an adapter to plug in any device, and they dont come in the box. i'd honestly be okay with the concept if they just added 100 bucks to the macbook price and put all necessary adapters in the box, look at rossmann's rants about the adapters and realise that for some reason *ONLY* the apple branded adapters work properly, at which point i'll refer to the countless jailbreak tweaks for 3rd party video adapters for the iDevices. you need to buy the official ones anyways, why arent they in the box then?

 

in theory i could put two 4TB hard drives, an m.2 SSD, and a bluray burner in my acer, but there is no practical reason to do so, and i'd much rather have preferred they gave me the option to change which drive it boots from instead.

 

i dont want to point this at you, but i've never seen anyone defend mac products that blindly since a guy that also said that twisting speaker wires together will warp your sound badly. these devices have their faults, and we need to point them out because if we dont, the next generation will be even worse until in the end even you cant deal with those faults anymore.

The adapter price is ridiculous, and I agree that the adapters are overpriced. And now that you point it out you are right, on that front, even 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports would have been a lot

3 hours ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

It is now, but not quite to the same extent. Windows 10 seems to have gone backwards in that regard. Which is why I'm still on 8.1

 

By the way, keep in mind that my opinions on Macs are based on my use of one as a daily driver several years ago. It could well be different now.

8.1 was my favourite recent version of Windows I agree

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4 hours ago, Clanscorpia said:

Apples. Pricing. Is. Not. That. Overpriced.

 

5 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

The adapter price is ridiculous, and I agree that the adapters are overpriced. And now that you point it out you are right, on that front, even 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports would have been a lot

You also keep on saying that anything we compare to a MacBook is for a different use, so, what is the use of a MacBook? 

 

A gaming laptop doesn't have to be for gaming.... It being labelled a gaming laptop in no way shape or form limits its uses

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, obi-fade-kenobi said:

You also keep on saying that anything we compare to a MacBook is for a different use, so, what is the use of a MacBook? 

 

A gaming laptop doesn't have to be for a different use than a MacBook.... It being labelled a gaming laptop in no way shape or form limits its uses

Macbooks are meant for ultraportable editting and programming with long battery life and intercommunication with other devices

[Sauron]

6 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Thats not an ultrabook. And as I said in the programs its meant to use it performs better.

Show me the benchmarks where it is shown that a macbook performs significantly better than a similarly priced solution.

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Macbooks are meant for ultraportable editting and programming with long battery life and intercommunication with other devices

Except they cut the battery life in half with this generation and only offer dual cores in the 13" model, making it inferior on both accounts compared to alternatives.

[Clanscorpia]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Show me the benchmarks where it is shown that a macbook performs significantly better than a similarly priced solution.

 

[Clanscorpia]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Except they cut the battery life in half with this generation and only offer dual cores in the 13" model, making it inferior on both accounts compared to alternatives.

I thought it was 8 hours on the MBP

[Dabombinable]

Just now, Sauron said:

Except they cut the battery life in half with this generation and only offer dual cores in the 13" model, making it inferior on both accounts compared to alternatives.

And inferior to the previous models as well.

[Sauron]

3 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

 

Oh, so a test done with different software. Irrelevant.

3 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

And inferior to the previous models as well.

Exactly, at this point if I really wanted a macbook pro I'd go for the older model

[Clanscorpia]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Oh, so a test done with different software. Irrelevant.

Exactly, at this point if I really wanted a macbook pro I'd go for the older model

I do agree the 2015 models are better. And yes it is relevant because it shows the mac has better optimization

[Scruffy90]

They're killing off their best macbook which is the air.
Their focus changed when Jobs said they would stop catering to the pro market back in 2011/2012 with the release of FCP x v1.0
Every OS after mountain lion focused on adding ios functionality to the desktop
They killed off the greatest messaging client ever made till this day with ichat (still no replacement for ichat theater :()

[2FA]

8 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

I do agree the 2015 models are better. And yes it is relevant because it shows the mac has better optimization

In a scientific comparison, only one variable must change. The variable that you are arguing is the OS, however, the software being used is also different. Take for example Premier vs Vegas, each will have a different rendering time due to the way the software itself is programmed.

[You_are_a_cunt]

Design-wise? I can see them having their place and I sort of understand their appeal.

The rest? Not in a billion years

[Magnetorheological]

Design and build quality are nice, but the prices are just ludicrous, especially the new MacBook "Pros". That and Apple taking away useful ports, forcing you to use dongles, and not including said dongle in the box even with the enormouse price premium just rubs me the wrong way.