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Mohammad Ali, Alan Rickman, Harambe and now Fidel Castro.

 

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I had no idea he was still alive, well atleast untill now that is. Good job on getting 90 though

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Props to him for having made it this long.

Then immediately take away those props for trapping his people in economic hell and poverty for the last 50 years so that his regime can remain the soul party and power within cuba.

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13 minutes ago, Atmos said:

Props to him for having made it this long.

Then immediately take away those props for trapping his people in economic hell and poverty for the last 50 years so that his regime can remain the soul party and power within cuba.

To be fair he set up a very good health service and education system. He was very much a mixed bag as a leader.

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22 minutes ago, Monkey Dust said:

To be fair he set up a very good health service and education system. He was very much a mixed bag as a leader.

The "Lìder Maximo" left Cuba with a better education and health service, in 2010 asked forgiveness for the persecution of gay people (Maricones were considered as fascists) during '70-'80s, but way before (1992) was actually legal to have an homosexual intercourse if older than 18.

 

Obviously, as in every dictatorship, not all the human rights were respected, first of all, freedom of speech: several oppositors were put in jail, but, we have to state this, never tortured.

 

There are worse dictators, even still alive, on the world.

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Whether he was a turd or an angel, I do hope he found peace in his heart and soul after his death. Perhaps he had a last minute revelation about his actions...

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12 hours ago, Shingouki said:

The "Lìder Maximo" left Cuba with a better education and health service, in 2010 asked forgiveness for the persecution of gay people (Maricones were considered as fascists) during '70-'80s, but way before (1992) was actually legal to have an homosexual intercourse if older than 18.

 

Obviously, as in every dictatorship, not all the human rights were respected, first of all, freedom of speech: several oppositors were put in jail, but, we have to state this, never tortured.

 

There are worse dictators, even still alive, on the world.

This is actually a very fair point.

For all his short comings, he was never anywhere near the worst dictator humanity has had, and even helped his country in some regards.

 

on a side note,

The title of worst human being to ever live goes to Mao. (And now let the Chinese Hate comments flood in) Who killed nearly three times as many innocent people as Stalin, and Hitler combined in just four years. In total Mao, and his doctrine have killed more innocent people than all of the people who died in WWII.

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5 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

Dying on America's number 1 capitalist holiday smh lol

I'd argue Christmas is our biggest capitalist holiday.

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30 minutes ago, rmac52 said:

I'd argue Christmas is our biggest capitalist holiday.

Well shopping for Christmas - but lots of people do their Christmas Shopping during Black Friday - I did.

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1 hour ago, Atmos said:

This is actually a very fair point.

For all his short comings, he was never anywhere near the worst dictator humanity has had, and even helped his country in some regards.

 

on a side note,

The title of worst human being to ever live goes to Mao. (And now let the Chinese Hate comments flood in) Who killed nearly three times as many innocent people as Stalin, and Hitler combined in just four years. In total Mao, and his doctrine have killed more innocent people than all of the people who died in WWII.

 

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Persecussion of homosexuals wasn't his only shortcoming: He persecuted political opponents, the press, pretty much blocked freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of travel, freedom of the press and perhaps most important of all, basically sided with Stalinist Russia in a pointless war against the US further plummet their country into over 60 years of economical sanctions and repression for the sake of supporting evil, genocidal maniacs from Russia.

 

You guys are pulling your punches far too much: having good health care and education is a small piece of the puzzle and doesn't begins to make up for the fucking damage he did: His death can only improve both Cuba and the entire world. People in Cuba where probably waiting for him to just fucking die to completely open up the island and restore some semblance of fucking economy.

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2 hours ago, rmac52 said:

I'd argue Christmas is our biggest capitalist holiday.

I don't recall people trampling each other for a 30% off Rudolph tbh

 

 

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5 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

Persecussion of homosexuals wasn't his only shortcoming: He persecuted political opponents, the press, pretty much blocked freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of travel, freedom of the press and perhaps most important of all, basically sided with Stalinist Russia in a pointless war against the US further plummet their country into over 60 years of economical sanctions and repression for the sake of supporting evil, genocidal maniacs from Russia.

 

You guys are pulling your punches far too much: having good health care and education is a small piece of the puzzle and doesn't begins to make up for the fucking damage he did: His death can only improve both Cuba and the entire world. People in Cuba where probably waiting for him to just fucking die to completely open up the island and restore some semblance of fucking economy.

I think you'd be surprised how many people (especially those leaning toward the Left) consider him a great leader. It's alarming really, because it means they are either incredibly ignorant or okay with the horrible things he's done.

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2 minutes ago, Albatross said:

I think you'd be surprised how many people (especially those leaning toward the Left) consider him a great leader. It's alarming really, because it means they are either incredibly ignorant or okay with the horrible things he's done.

Being a good leader has nothing to do with morality. 

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3 hours ago, Speedyv said:

Being a good leader has nothing to do with morality. 

Well I disagree with that a lot.

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3 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

 over 60 years of economical sanctions 

Not to discredit your post as a whole, but you can't blame those on him, though.

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3 minutes ago, Albatross said:

Well I disagree with that a lot.

Ok that came out wrong, but he was a maverick of sorts. Not saying he was a good person. 

And don't turn this into a right vs left thing. 

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3 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Not to discredit your post as a whole, but you can't blame those on him, though.

Why not? I understand that the US is overly aggressive to some socialist nations (yet they're fine with Socialist Democracies in Europe) but if you install a fucking missile launch base for Russia during the worst of the cold war you can not only foresee but expect consequences and backlash. It was a calculated move since he was banking on the Russians to basically sustain his country. Think about how fucking stupid that was: you spit on the face of the one country that pretty much controls the global economy and come incredibly close to destroying the entire fucking world in a thermo-nuclear war and your plan was to depend on Stalinist Russia: a country known for being a closed economy under tight control...we can see how that worked out particularly after the fall of the U.S.S.R.

 

Fidel was utterly and completely fucking blinded by his hatred of the US to unprecedented levels and that, that we can blame on him: Fuck his corpse.

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12 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

Why not?

Because of the definition of "sanctions". They are always on the side of the one deciding them. You can consider them justified or not, but it's not a choice the one that suffers them make.

Even the "they brought it upon themselves" argument you use (which I don't share, but still) is based on a 1960s incident, yet the removal of said sanctions is being discussed in 2016. The USSR that was supposed to place the missiles doesn't even exist since 1991. Is it really about the 60s then?

Now, that was accepting the "you brought it upon yourself argument", but as I say, I don't share it. It's just a bully argument: it's not me hitting you, is you who made me do it. Like USSR saying "it's Afghanistan's fault for being so close and not falling in line". And so many more... The fact is: the US decided those sanctions. Why they thought it was a good idea, ask them. And you may agree with them, or you may disagree, but it doesn't change who made the decision.

 

You can dislike Fidel and you can dislike every single one of his policies. Being embargoed is not a policy.

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