Is there a laptop with this specs under 1800 Euro?

[MrTiC]

The cheapest you will find with those speccs is going to be around 2499 

 

 

[Guest lilbman]

5 hours ago, Pendragon said:

You wouldn't notice this but 1/5 of your heatsink is glued on. Does nothing but add weight and aesthetics. Just saying. If you ever decide to look inside your laptop on a deeper level, you'd know they put alot of thought designing the exterior, interior not so much. 

 

The interior is put together beautifully.  It's very neat and not a confusing hodgepodge.

 

5 hours ago, Pendragon said:

I dont get why this is a point of contention. Anybody can get whatever network card they want?

Get whatever the fuck you want, it doesn't matter.  I'm just saying, there's a reason Alienware's come with Killer Wireless standard.  It's just better.

[Pendragon]

57 minutes ago, lilbman said:

The interior is put together beautifully.  It's very neat and not a confusing hodgepodge.

LOL. It looks good. I'm not even surprised you said that at this point. It's anti-tampering. Can't touch the heatsinks without removing the whole laptop. 3 screw heatsink design is stupid, heatsinks are glued on, paste is crap etc. You literally ignored my comment and told me it looks nice. LOL. There are far more issues with Alienware interior than a Clevo. That's literally objective. You can't say it looks nice unless you plan to use your laptop without a back cover LOL.

[Guest lilbman]

9 hours ago, Pendragon said:

LOL. It looks good. I'm not even surprised you said that at this point. It's anti-tampering. Can't touch the heatsinks without removing the whole laptop. 3 screw heatsink design is stupid, heatsinks are glued on, paste is crap etc. You literally ignored my comment and told me it looks nice. LOL. There are far more issues with Alienware interior than a Clevo. That's literally objective. You can't say it looks nice unless you plan to use your laptop without a back cover LOL.

Well, Clevos are built like desktops.  They are far more easier to take apart for servicing, but my laptop is far easier to put in a new hard drive or more SSDS or more RAM.  It's easy to upgrade.  I might put this SSD in when it comes out  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147597 

[Pendragon]

16 minutes ago, lilbman said:

They are far more easier to take apart for servicing

alienware's require a full disassembly to touch core components. your laptop is not any easier to take out ram or ssds. it's just as easy to upgrade on the clevo. literally take the cover off. and plug ram or ssds in. whereas in the clevo you unscrew the heatsink screws you neeed to break down an alienware to get access to deeper level components. 

[Guest lilbman]

15 hours ago, Pendragon said:

alienware's require a full disassembly to touch core components. your laptop is not any easier to take out ram or ssds. it's just as easy to upgrade on the clevo. literally take the cover off. and plug ram or ssds in. whereas in the clevo you unscrew the heatsink screws you neeed to break down an alienware to get access to deeper level components. 

You'd have to be braindead to not be able to put in RAM and more storage easily in the 15 R3.  Its a work of art on how simple yet sophisticated it looks. ^ http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/alienware-15-r3-gaming-laptop,4796.html

 

This one looks like a pain in the ass to work with, and it is a Sager https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjg_f_gusfQAhXF3YMKHWLXC7oQjhwIBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.notebookreview.com%2Fthreads%2Fsager-np7170-clevo-n170sd-vs-sager-np7155-clevo-n155sd.773730%2F&psig=AFQjCNH6dHSMt7WveXzBs3biY_3Vn5CGMA&ust=1480285326535285

[Pendragon]

6 hours ago, lilbman said:

You'd have to be braindead to not be able to put in RAM and more storage easily in the 15 R3

You LITERALLY ignored what I said and you call me braindead. LOL answer me this. How would you get to the heatsinks. Hmm? 

[Guest lilbman]

14 hours ago, Pendragon said:

You LITERALLY ignored what I said and you call me braindead. LOL answer me this. How would you get to the heatsinks. Hmm? 

I never said you were braindead.  I said someone that couldn't easily work with that would be braindead.

 

Are you calling yourself braindead?

 

To get to the heatsinks, one must take it apart, like any other computer.

[Pendragon]

24 minutes ago, lilbman said:

To get to the heatsinks, one must take it apart, like any other computer.

LOL. You mean disassemble the entire laptop. Whereas in other laptops like Clevo u literally just unscrew the heatsink 

[Guest lilbman]

3 hours ago, Pendragon said:

LOL. You mean disassemble the entire laptop. Whereas in other laptops like Clevo u literally just unscrew the heatsink 

You have to take it apart, either way.  It's pretty easy to disassemble a laptop IMO, I just use a Classic Pro Tech toolkit from iFixIt.  Sure, the Clevo is easier, but my laptop has no empty room inside of it, especially with that giant battery.  This means that they couldn't make EVERYTHING that accessible for the user, so they had to hide it away.

[Pendragon]

14 minutes ago, lilbman said:

This means that they couldn't make EVERYTHING that accessible for the user, so they had to hide it away.

...no? They made it so you would have to disassemble the entire thing. You don't see MSI doing that shit. You don't see old school Alienware doing that. It's only recently with Asus and Alienware that they make the design deliberately hard to access. 

[Guest lilbman]

29 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

...no? They made it so you would have to disassemble the entire thing. You don't see MSI doing that shit. You don't see old school Alienware doing that. It's only recently with Asus and Alienware that they make the design deliberately hard to access. 

They do it so that they can save on space.    Unless you frequently access the internals, it doesn't make much of a difference with how hard it is.  Most people will send it off to someone to fix it if it goes wrong, so it doesn't need to be super easy and simple to access.

[Pendragon]

3 minutes ago, lilbman said:

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Not really. The Alienware is literally larger than most competing 15in laptops. And due to Alienware's heatsink design, most people need access to the internals. 

[Guest lilbman]

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

Not really. The Alienware is literally larger than most competing 15in laptops. 

Because of the hinge forward design.  Cut that back part off and it's the same size.  They had to make it the way it is so that everything that is upgradeable is easiest to access and the stuff that you won't ever need to access is below.  There's no fucking point in making it easily accessible if you can't upgrade it.

[Pendragon]

3 minutes ago, lilbman said:

stuff that you won't ever need to access is below.

That's just you. And most people do need access to it cause uneven core temps. speaking of which, you mind running occt with hwinfo monitor up on the side. 

[Guest lilbman]

3 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

That's just you. And most people do need access to it cause uneven core temps. speaking of which, you mind running occt with hwinfo monitor up on the side. 

On the 6820HK models, yes, they will need to get to it.  But's that is only ONCE if they do it right!!!!  For however long you have that laptop, you will most likely never need to access it again.

[Pendragon]

1 hour ago, lilbman said:

On the 6820HK models, yes, they will need to get to it.  But's that is only ONCE if they do it right!!!!  For however long you have that laptop, you will most likely never need to access it again.

No....the 6700HQ is equally problematic. It's not a CPU issue. It's a heatsink issue. And there is not "getting it right once", it requires multiple repaste with alot of testing to do. Ur AW15 could have the issue but you just don't notice it. Only way to tell is to run occt or some stress test with hwinfo.

[Guest lilbman]

1 hour ago, Pendragon said:

No....the 6700HQ is equally problematic. It's not a CPU issue. It's a heatsink issue. And there is not "getting it right once", it requires multiple repaste with alot of testing to do. Ur AW15 could have the issue but you just don't notice it. Only way to tell is to run occt or some stress test with hwinfo.

I play CS GO for 5 hours while streaming and recording some of it.  I think that's stressful enough.  I would notice it, as there would be thermal throttling.  And if it was a widespread issue, it would be brought up,

[Pendragon]

23 minutes ago, lilbman said:

I play CS GO for 5 hours while streaming and recording some of it.  I think that's stressful enough.  I would notice it, as there would be thermal throttling. 

That's the mentality of most people LOL. That's why most people don't notice. Most people who have ACTUALLY tested it, see that there is an issue. 

 

24 minutes ago, lilbman said:

And if it was a widespread issue, it would be brought up,

Nope. That's factually incorrect. Alienware did publicly bring it up. The statement they released said according to intel cores can run up to 100C. It got slammed. 

[Guest lilbman]

25 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Nope. That's factually incorrect. Alienware did publicly bring it up. The statement they released said according to intel cores can run up to 100C. It got slammed. 

I have stress tested mine with Star Swarm.  No thermal throttling whatsoever AND I monitored the temperatures on a monitor I borrowed from a friend.  Highest it got to was around 64 degrees Celcius.

 

29 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

That's the mentality of most people LOL. That's why most people don't notice. Most people who have ACTUALLY tested it, see that there is an issue. 

No issue with mine.  I can't say the same for other people.

[Pendragon]

5 minutes ago, lilbman said:

I have stress tested mine with Star Swarm.  No thermal throttling whatsoever AND I monitored the temperatures on a monitor I borrowed from a friend.  Highest it got to was around 64 degrees Celcius.

is that the average c? or per core c? if you that's per core c at a max 64, you probably got one of the best units i've heard LOL. 

[Guest lilbman]

18 hours ago, Pendragon said:

is that the average c? or per core c? if you that's per core c at a max 64, you probably got one of the best units i've heard LOL. 

Per core.  I take very good care of my computers and it shows.  I clean out the fans monthly and keep it all nice and clean.  I only use bag's made just for the computers I buy and I buy skins for them.  I still have an old desktop from 1998 that works.

[jdjinn]

Hi,

while surfing on the xotic web page I found this one: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8173s-clevo-p670rs.html?startcustomization=1#group-6

 

It could fit all specs but the question is: Is  there a german web page where this model (even the xotic products) are sold? I havent found any.

[arnavvr]

On 11/25/2016 at 10:34 PM, Pendragon said:

alienware's require a full disassembly to touch core components. your laptop is not any easier to take out ram or ssds. it's just as easy to upgrade on the clevo. literally take the cover off. and plug ram or ssds in. whereas in the clevo you unscrew the heatsink screws you neeed to break down an alienware to get access to deeper level components. 

 

I have to disagree on this one. I have done so many mods to my Alienware M15X. It's extremely upgradeable and versatile. And why they are more expensive, you do get a bump in quality.

[Pendragon]

4 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

I have to disagree on this one. I have done so many mods to my Alienware M15X. It's extremely upgradeable and versatile. And why they are more expensive, you do get a bump in quality.

Oh you misunderstand. The old school alienware's are some of the most amazing machines. With the hardcore community continuing to innovate and making good mods for the old machines.

 

I'm talking about the new one. It's cancer to even get access to the heatsinks.