Samsung To Put DDR4 4266 in a Phone

[patrickjp93]

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-rolls-out-industrys-first-8gb-lpddr4-dram-package

 

A single 8GB LPDDR4 BGA package running at 4266mbps per pin (x64) has been developed by Samsung and will be deployed on next-gen mobile platforms. The package will be made using Samsung's 10nm process.

 

This is beyond stupid imho, but hey, who needs battery life, right?

[Bsmith]

why? what's the use and possible benefit from this?

 

Sorry, but samsung, you are nuts to do this, first your daughter company that did the batteries screwed up* and now you do this? is there anything going to happen that does make sense?

 

 

*only a small part of samsung, but their mobile division actually stated to never use batteries again from their own daughter company, which is pretty bad for the companies image.

[meenmeen1103]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-rolls-out-industrys-first-8gb-lpddr4-dram-package

 

A single 8GB BGA package running at 4266mbps per pin (x64) has been developed by Samsung and will be deployed on next-gen mobile platforms. The package will be made using Samsung's 10nm process.

 

This is beyond stupid imho, but hey, who needs battery life, right?

Why increase power consumption efficiency when you can just stuff more highly volatile energy storage mass? Just a simply circuit should keep the chemistry form over-reacting right?

[Curufinwe_wins]

Call me the voice of not reason, but I personally think this makes total sense. More so than dumping ever more ram at the phone.

 

In fact, I'd even suggest if not for the speed increase, they would want to be running dual channel already.

[Prysin]

26 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-rolls-out-industrys-first-8gb-lpddr4-dram-package

 

A single 8GB LPDDR4 BGA package running at 4266mbps per pin (x64) has been developed by Samsung and will be deployed on next-gen mobile platforms. The package will be made using Samsung's 10nm process.

 

This is beyond stupid imho, but hey, who needs battery life, right?

aha! they are planning to run AVX on the phone...

[patrickjp93]

28 minutes ago, Prysin said:

aha! they are planning to run AVX on the phone...

 

37 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Call me the voice of not reason, but I personally think this makes total sense. More so than dumping ever more ram at the phone.

 

In fact, I'd even suggest if not for the speed increase, they would want to be running dual channel already.

WHY?! That is more bandwidth than a number of midrange PCs! Phones do not do anything requiring that kind of bandwidth!

[Curufinwe_wins]

12 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

 

WHY?! That is more bandwidth than a number of midrange PCs! Phones do not do anything requiring that kind of bandwidth!

dual channel ram is forcefully utilized on literally every laptop intel provides the cpu for (by contrast a huge limitation of carrizo was it's slow single channel ram implementation).

 

As phone gpu's get more and more powerful with each passing generation (often at 30-50% a generation), it is only logical that ram bandwidth has to follow suit.

 

 

 

BTW last gen S7 ran with 28.8 GB/s ram bandwidth, this package is only 34 GB/s. Not that big of a jump at all.

[Inkz]

This is so pointless, Samsung as well as other Android manufacturers already can't use all of their RAM because of the over aggressive power management, which prohibits high RAM usage. I would rather have use be able to use more RAM than just have it faster, which also takes more power. 

[Prysin]

1 hour ago, patrickjp93 said:

 

WHY?! That is more bandwidth than a number of midrange PCs! Phones do not do anything requiring that kind of bandwidth!

have you even TRIED to play fruitninja at insano mode? even on a cocktail of Red-Bull, cocaine and amphetamine you'd struggle to keep up!

you need that bandwidth to display all teh fruit

 

Also, my oh my you're up late

[Centurius]

But, why?

[ForsakenLive]

39 minutes ago, Centurius said:

But, why?

Low power DDR4 uses even less power than low power DDR3, even less power if it's done at 10nm. So even though the speed is high (over 4ghz), battery required for it could end up using the same as current gen dram or even less. All graphical and gpu accelerated applications will benefit highly of the high speed ram, just as they do on a modern desktop GPU. Want to improve games? want to improve visuals? want to increase resolution? want to be able to use the phone as a PC conected to a monitor/TV using usb type C? want to be able to have much improved calculations using acceleration? want high fps video playback? You could use all that memory bandwidth for that. 

[Bouzoo]

13K posts and you can't do a proper TN post.  

[Doobeedoo]

I guess we may see this in S8 I kinda expect it since new beefy GPU it will have and along 4K display.

[Zodiark1593]

DDR4 requires less power and the additional bandwidth will be useful for the GPU (the latter of which always lacking in bandwidth on mobile platforms). Why is this not a win again? 

[RagnarokDel]

That doesnt sound like completely unnecessary for a phone at all /s

[patrickjp93]

7 hours ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

dual channel ram is forcefully utilized on literally every laptop intel provides the cpu for (by contrast a huge limitation of carrizo was it's slow single channel ram implementation).

 

As phone gpu's get more and more powerful with each passing generation (often at 30-50% a generation), it is only logical that ram bandwidth has to follow suit.

 

 

 

BTW last gen S7 ran with 28.8 GB/s ram bandwidth, this package is only 34 GB/s. Not that big of a jump at all.

3D games on phones are so pointless, 2D don't need the bandwidth, and it's not like you can do real VR on them without an eGPU...

[patrickjp93]

7 hours ago, Prysin said:

have you even TRIED to play fruitninja at insano mode? even on a cocktail of Red-Bull, cocaine and amphetamine you'd struggle to keep up!

you need that bandwidth to display all teh fruit

 

Also, my oh my you're up late

That wasn't late. That was about midnight.

[Bouzoo]

10 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

3D games on phones are so pointless

So everything that is not a platformer is pointless on a phone. I'm sorry what?

[Curufinwe_wins]

12 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

3D games on phones are so pointless, 2D don't need the bandwidth, and it's not like you can do real VR on them without an eGPU...

I mean, tell that to the Nintendo NX (I have little doubt that in a few years flagship phone GPU's will be similar to the tegra gpu).

 

But I'm just pointing out it makes sense for Samsung to push it either way, and it isn't even a revolutionary increase (The S6 had 17% less memory bandwidth than the S7, this new chip has 18% more bandwidth than the S7).

 

Rudimentary native support for tessellation was actually a big deal from ARM's perspective last gpu Mali Midgard generation. 3D mobile gaming is coming.

[AlTech]

10 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-rolls-out-industrys-first-8gb-lpddr4-dram-package

 

A single 8GB LPDDR4 BGA package running at 4266mbps per pin (x64) has been developed by Samsung and will be deployed on next-gen mobile platforms. The package will be made using Samsung's 10nm process.

 

This is beyond stupid imho, but hey, who needs battery life, right?

This is so stupid............... Just use 2133MHz

 

 

Ah my brain hurts thinking about this .

[VerticalDiscussions]

People, its more performance on something that already consumes less than the most energy conservative washing machine on standby for a week! (Yeah okay, i dont know any washing machine on standby, you got the point!). It would barely affect battery life and weve clearly seen that resolution of smartphone displays isnt as impactful as it used to be.

[AlTech]

13 minutes ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

People, its more performance on something that already consumes less than the most energy conservative washing machine on standby for a week! (Yeah okay, i dont know any washing machine on standby, you got the point!). It would barely affect battery life and weve clearly seen that resolution of smartphone displays isnt as impactful as it used to be.

Screens still consume the most power on any device period. Laptop, phone or tablet. You name it, the screen consumes the most power.

[VerticalDiscussions]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

-snip-

What i meant was, the 1080p vs 1440p no longer is as valid as it used to be. We see 1080p phones with 3000 mAh get outperformed by phones with 1440p displays with also 3000 mAh, without referencing any models. Its not like this ram kit will be as impactful as the rest of the package inside the phone :l

[Misanthrope]

10 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

 

WHY?! That is more bandwidth than a number of midrange PCs! Phones do not do anything requiring that kind of bandwidth!

This has been so for years now on virtually all of the specs. There's little reason to update and thus their phones get explosively gimmicky.

[pit5000]

perhaps they are trying to discover another way of setting fire?