Asus GL502VM & GL502VS Heating Issues?

[Stanturbo]

I had thought all relatively thin Pascal laptops would have overheating issues, but the review for the GL502VS (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-GL502VS-Notebook-Review.171567.0.html) claims to have no heating issues. Are these (VM with the 1060 and VS with the 1070) viable options to consider?

[Imglidinhere]

The laptops are insanely loud under load. That's why. They have two 50mm fans that just BLAST air. So yeah, Pascal IS hot, but Asus figured out how to deal with it. Powerful, loud fans.

 

I had my eye on those machines to be fair... the 1070 model looks enticing if I can get it for $1700... comes with a 256GB NVMe SSD too.  

 

http://www.hidevolution.com/asus-gl502vs-db71.html Just in case you're wondering about the $1700 pricetag I'm mentioning. The price they pay on Notebookcheck is absurd.  Also because 32GB of RAM is equally absurd for a consumer PC. Especially when you don't have the processing power to back it up.  

[Stanturbo]

1 hour ago, Imglidinhere said:

The laptops are insanely loud under load. That's why. They have two 50mm fans that just BLAST air. So yeah, Pascal IS hot, but Asus figured out how to deal with it. Powerful, loud fans.

 

I had my eye on those machines to be fair... the 1070 model looks enticing if I can get it for $1700... comes with a 256GB NVMe SSD too.  

 

http://www.hidevolution.com/asus-gl502vs-db71.html Just in case you're wondering about the $1700 pricetag I'm mentioning. The price they pay on Notebookcheck is absurd.  Also because 32GB of RAM is equally absurd for a consumer PC. Especially when you don't have the processing power to back it up.  

I was also enticed by the $1700 price tag for the VS and the $1400 for the VM. IMO I would rather have loud fans cooling the system than an overheating system

[Pendragon]

6 hours ago, Stanturbo said:

I was also enticed by the $1700 price tag for the VS and the $1400 for the VM. IMO I would rather have loud fans cooling the system than an overheating system

It throttles to 2.8ghz. At 92C. Also loud af. It's not perfect. I would say it's redeemable and recommendable if Asus didn't have the worse warranty on the planet when it comes to repasting and stuff. 

[Stanturbo]

1 hour ago, Pendragon said:

It throttles to 2.8ghz. At 92C. Also loud af. It's not perfect. I would say it's redeemable and recommendable if Asus didn't have the worse warranty on the planet when it comes to repasting and stuff. 

Do you think the GL502VT is better?

[Pendragon]

1 hour ago, Stanturbo said:

Do you think the GL502VT is better?

Yes. But that's last gen. I'd grab a P650RP6. I had the last gen P650RG and sold it before the new Pascal ones came out. 

[Stanturbo]

40 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Yes. But that's last gen. I'd grab a P650RP6. I had the last gen P650RG and sold it before the new Pascal ones came out. 

Thanks

[Imglidinhere]

8 hours ago, Pendragon said:

It throttles to 2.8ghz. At 92C. Also loud af. It's not perfect. I would say it's redeemable and recommendable if Asus didn't have the worse warranty on the planet when it comes to repasting and stuff. 

It throttles to 2.8GHz at 92*C... in Prime95 AND Furmark running at the same time. That level of load and TDP will never be reached in any other program currently available. P95 is known for burning out your CPU faster than anything else out there and Furmark is equally known for pulling stupid levels of thermals from your GPU all in the same.

 

For example, users with the 7559 have reviews showing critical thermals with the i7 model reaching 98*C on Notebookcheck.net. In any game thus far, I've never seen the temps rise beyond 80*C at the hottest point using 100% system stress on any i7 version of said laptop. If the temps ONLY reached 92*C under maximum possible load, that's a VERY good thing.  There aren't any laptops that can handle that stress test they put out, if there are, they are far and few in-between. Hell, even the Clevo P6X0 series throttles worse under 100% CPU load if it matters.  

[Pendragon]

9 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

It throttles to 2.8GHz at 92*C... in Prime95 AND Furmark running at the same time. That level of load and TDP will never be reached in any other program currently available. P95 is known for burning out your CPU faster than anything else out there and Furmark is equally known for pulling stupid levels of thermals from your GPU all in the same.

The Furmark point is fair. I would never use Furmark to bench. Furmark puts unrealistic loads on your GPU. But P95 is more than fair. I put loads heavier than P95 all the time on my machines for enterprise use. 

 

9 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

In any game thus far, I've never seen the temps rise beyond 80*C at the hottest point using 100% system stress on any i7 version of said laptop.

Gaming is NOT a good indicator for CPU load pushing. Gaming isn't as stressful compared to alot of more enterprise apps that can occur. But yes Furmark is unfair

 

9 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

There aren't any laptops that can handle that stress test they put out, if there are, they are far and few in-between. Hell, even the Clevo P6X0 series throttles worse under 100% CPU load if it matters.  

Actually most Clevo's do fine under heavier loads. But the thing is with NBC, they get the worst Clevo manufactures with the worst paste and paste job. If you check NBR forums most Clevo's run P95+UnigineHeaven at 75C-80Cish. I already mentioned I would definitely recommend the GL502 if I didn't break bloody warranty with Asus complete lack of support helping me RMA the laptop if something went wrong. This thermal design is definitely adequate for the 1060 with minor adjustments. BUT ASUS.

[Imglidinhere]

14 hours ago, Pendragon said:

The Furmark point is fair. I would never use Furmark to bench. Furmark puts unrealistic loads on your GPU. But P95 is more than fair. I put loads heavier than P95 all the time on my machines for enterprise use. 

 

Gaming is NOT a good indicator for CPU load pushing. Gaming isn't as stressful compared to alot of more enterprise apps that can occur. But yes Furmark is unfair

 

Actually most Clevo's do fine under heavier loads. But the thing is with NBC, they get the worst Clevo manufactures with the worst paste and paste job. If you check NBR forums most Clevo's run P95+UnigineHeaven at 75C-80Cish. I already mentioned I would definitely recommend the GL502 if I didn't break bloody warranty with Asus complete lack of support helping me RMA the laptop if something went wrong. This thermal design is definitely adequate for the 1060 with minor adjustments. BUT ASUS.

Gaming is a realistic load when that's what you'll be doing most on a gaming laptop.  Also, if you're running enterprise applications on a gaming notebook, then you're doing something wrong on some level. In any case, for the GL502VS, temps are fine. You'll never break 85*C in any game, I will bet money on it.  

[Stanturbo]

3 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

Gaming is a realistic load when that's what you'll be doing most on a gaming laptop.  Also, if you're running enterprise applications on a gaming notebook, then you're doing something wrong on some level. In any case, for the GL502VS, temps are fine. You'll never break 85*C in any game, I will bet money on it.  

Thanks for the input. I'll certainly take that into considerationb:)

[Pendragon]

3 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

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Lol not really? Do tell me what's wrong with that? Do you run them?

 

Also 85C is quite high. Considering that the last gen one ran at around 75-80C on a Unigine Heaven load, this one shares a load with a 1060 one. 

[Imglidinhere]

45 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Lol not really? Do tell me what's wrong with that? Do you run them?

 

Also 85C is quite high. Considering that the last gen one ran at around 75-80C on a Unigine Heaven load, this one shares a load with a 1060 one. 

You don't pay for a gaming notebook to run enterprise-level applications. The company you work for will generally custom order machines to suit the needs of its workers. Your example is silly and unrealistic. Furthermore, it's silly to think you still believe Prime95 doesn't burn out processors. It's an unrealistic load and I guarantee if you run Prime95 100% for a month, you'll wreck your CPU harder than any other program in existence. Look, I'm sorry but it's well known on NBR and other forums, even OCN that Prime95 is a bad program to run if you want a CPU to last a while. It was used to verify rock solid stable overclocks that would NEVER fumble under the most grueling workload. Nothing comes close to what it forces onto your CPU. It's the same thing as Furmark on your GPU. Hell, Folding@Home pales in comparison to what Furmark does...

[Pendragon]

3 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

It was used to verify rock solid stable overclocks that would NEVER fumble under the most grueling workload.

Yea that's the point of P95 and enterprise apps. 

 

3 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

It's the same thing as Furmark on your GPU.

Furmark is unrealistic. Prema has built in Furmark protection in Bios. You don't need it for P95. Furmark also throttles the GPU regardless whether it thermal throttles or not. Furmark is just not good to use. 

 

3 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

It's an unrealistic load and I guarantee if you run Prime95 100% for a month, you'll wreck your CPU harder than any other program in existence.

Hi here, I run my machines at 100% loads for hours and hours every day. Even my MBP from 2012. P95 doesn't wreck your CPU if it's cooled properly. 

 

3 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

You don't pay for a gaming notebook to run enterprise-level applications. The company you work for will generally custom order machines to suit the needs of its workers.

I'm not sure if you've worked in an enterprise setting but we use bare Eurocom stuff. Our top algo and comp guys use the ones with desktop CPUs. I used a P650RG for work for a while. The thing is with most other gaming notebooks is that not only do they not come with TPM protection or other security features in addition to not being able to deal with constant load. I don't think you understand that there are not "custom" laptop models unless you're in some serious shit, because designing them literally costs millions and millions. Most companies who need high powered laptops use Clevo's or Precision/P series models. I'm using a Zbook now because I'm on assignment and dont have time to game so I didn't need a 980m and using a Zbook now. tl;dr We judge notebooks differently. 

 

And I've mentioned MANY times that I personally think that the GL502 (1060) version cooling system is fine and redeemable. I just don't want to deal with Asus support in the case they decline my RMA or anything. For everyone who keeps mentioning that replacing and repasting should not void warranty, you are 100% in the legal right. But companies give very shit about legal issues unless there is a contingent liability probability. Because the legal fees of a single case of declined warranty is prohibitively high, companies can easily get away from stuff like this. I mean what are you going to do, as the customer if the company declines your RMA offer. Fuck yourself is the answer, because you can't really do anything unless you sue them or report them. The cost of sueing them is so high you might as well buy a new laptop. Reporting them does jackshit until enough people do so that a class-action lawsuit comes about. 

 

My point stands that even at 85C on gaming load, that's pretty fucking hot. In the event that you need to run heavier things, you would absolutely need to undervolt and repaste the GL502 because at stock, that's a very high temp.