6600K + EVGA 1070 ACX 3.0 FTW Bottleneck?

[FlushaDev]

Well, my build has an i5 6600K and an EVGA 1070 ACX 3.0 FTW.

Will it bottleneck when gaming at 1080p 144hz?

[GTA 5, CS:GO, RainBow Six: Siege, etc]

[Matias_Chambers]

It definitely will in GTA V depending on the scene. Some parts it will others it wont. 

[Edelrat]

7 minutes ago, FlushaDev said:

Well, my build has an i5 6600K and an EVGA 1070 ACX 3.0 FTW.

Will it bottleneck when gaming at 1080p 144hz?

[GTA 5, CS:GO, RainBow Six: Siege, etc]

I think in CS:GO it will bottleneck your 1070 for sure.

Just because CS isn´t GPU intensive. I recommend running CS at low settings anyway.

 

But I don´t think it will slow down your GPU in GPU-intensive games.

At least not, when you overclock it (What you should do if you but a K CPU in my oppinion).

[FlushaDev]

33 minutes ago, Matias_Chambers said:

It definitely will in GTA V depending on the scene. Some parts it will others it wont. 

Why will it BN in GTA?

[Matias_Chambers]

Just now, FlushaDev said:

Why will it BN in GTA?

 

33 minutes ago, Matias_Chambers said:

It definitely will in GTA V depending on the scene. Some parts it will others it wont. 

 

[FlushaDev]

Just now, Matias_Chambers said:

 

 

I guess...

 

[FlushaDev]

31 minutes ago, MEOOOOOOOOOOOOW said:

I think in CS:GO it will bottleneck your 1070 for sure.

Just because CS isn´t GPU intensive. I recommend running CS at low settings anyway.

 

But I don´t think it will slow down your GPU in GPU-intensive games.

At least not, when you overclock it (What you should do if you but a K CPU in my oppinion).

What's the best way to avoid this way of bottleneck?

[HKZeroFive]

Just now, FlushaDev said:

What's the best way to avoid this way of bottleneck?

Upgrade to an i7. Either that or ditch 1080p 144Hz and go for regular 1440p 60Hz.

[FlushaDev]

2 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Upgrade to an i7. Either that or ditch 1080p 144Hz and go for regular 1440p 60Hz.

i7 for sure

[FlushaDev]

2 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Upgrade to an i7. Either that or ditch 1080p 144Hz and go for regular 1440p 60Hz.

i7 for sure

[HKZeroFive]

Just now, FlushaDev said:

i7 for sure

Then there's your answer.

[Mira Yurizaki]

I'm just going to say this An i5-6600K is still able to get within 98% of a GTX 1080 if you compared it to say an i7-6800K or a i7-5765C. In other words, a bottleneck is inevitable by virtue of not getting the best CPU.

 

There's no reason to lose sleep over this anyway. A bottleneck doesn't necessarily mean a performance cap. I could get lower scores in some benchmarks on my i7-6700 from my i5-4670K but when I upgraded the video card, it still was a huge upgrade.

[FlushaDev]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

I'm just going to say this An i5-6600K is still able to get within 98% of a GTX 1080 if you compared it to say an i7-6800K or a i7-5765C. In other words, a bottleneck is inevitable by virtue of not getting the best CPU.

Explain this simpler please

[Edelrat]

6 minutes ago, FlushaDev said:

What's the best way to avoid this way of bottleneck?

 

5 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Upgrade to an i7. Either that or ditch 1080p 144Hz and go for regular 1440p 60Hz.

An i7 won´t make much difference in gaming performance..

And you can never avoid "bottlenecking".

There will ALWAYS be a component, which holds back another one.

 

And in CS:GO, you just won´t use your GPU to it´s full potential, because CS:GO is not GPU-intensive.

But that is just fine. Playing CS for the graphics is just stupid.

 

Your build is fine.

In games which use the GPU more (for example GTA or The Witcher), your CPU will not bottleneck your GPU.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, FlushaDev said:

Explain this simpler please

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10337/the-intel-broadwell-e-review-core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores/8

 

Just look at the results. (Also apparently the i5s do better than the 6800K in some cases)

[Mira Yurizaki]

[Double post time]

[FlushaDev]

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10337/the-intel-broadwell-e-review-core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores/8

 

Just look at the results. (Also apparently the i5s do better than the 6800K in some cases)

Thanks, it seems I wont be spending any more on an i7

[HKZeroFive]

5 minutes ago, MEOOOOOOOOOOOOW said:

An i7 won´t make much difference in gaming performance..

And you can never avoid "bottlenecking".

There will ALWAYS be a component, which holds back another one.

 

And in CS:GO, you just won´t use your GPU to it´s full potential, because CS:GO is not GPU-intensive.

But that is just fine. Playing CS for the graphics is just stupid.

 

Your build is fine.

In games which use the GPU more (for example GTA or The Witcher), your CPU will not bottleneck your GPU.

I hope you realise that just because a game is GPU-intensive, it doesn't eliminate the possibility of the CPU being a bottleneck.

 

The higher the framerate, the more load is placed on the CPU. The higher the resolution, the more load is placed on the GPU. When you're playing at 1080p 144Hz, the i5 6600K isn't going to keep up with the GTX 1070. Certainly not in a game such as GTA V which is also extremely CPU-intensive (physics, explosions - just because it's GTA).

 

The fallacy of the i5 6600K not bottlenecking high-end GPUs at 1080p needs to stop.

[FlushaDev]

1 minute ago, HKZeroFive said:

I hope you realise that just because a game is GPU-intensive, it doesn't eliminate the possibility of the CPU being a bottleneck.

 

The higher the framerate, the more load is placed on the CPU. The higher resolution, the more load is placed on the GPU. When you're playing at 1080p 144Hz, the i5 6600K isn't going to keep up with the GTX 1070. Certainly not in a game such as GTA V which is also extremely CPU-intensive (physics, explosions - just because it's GTA V).

 

The fallacy of the i5 6600K not bottlenecking high-end GPUs at 1080p needs to stop.

Do you still recommend to keep my i5 6600K or get an i7

[HKZeroFive]

Just now, FlushaDev said:

Do you still recommend to keep my i5 6600K or get an i7

You want to utilise the full power of the GTX 1070 in games such as GTA V and the Witcher 3? Get the i7 6700K. On top of that, if we look at average frametimes and the amount of stuttering, the i7 6700K will offer a level of stability that the i5 6600K cannot deliver.

 

For people who don't believe me, look at Digital Foundry's video on the matter.

 

 

[Mira Yurizaki]

7 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

You want to utilise the full power of the GTX 1070 in games such as GTA V and the Witcher 3? Get the i7 6700K. On top of that, if we look at average frametimes and the amount of stuttering, the i7 6700K will offer a level of stability that the i5 6600K cannot deliver.

 

For people who don't believe me, look at Digital Foundry's video on the matter.

 

 

But you have to ask yourself if spending an extra $100 to prevent what amounts to a handful of frame rate dips is worth while. The places where the i5 really took a beating was in high action scenes where the physics gets to flex its muscles.

 

Which in my experience is either limited to scripted sequences or cut scenes and generally isn't a common thing in regular game play.

[FlushaDev]

Yeah but the stutters are almost unnoticable! What's the point of spending more money on something that, really, doesn't change anything (almost)

[HKZeroFive]

11 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

But you have to ask yourself if spending an extra $100 to prevent what amounts to a handful of frame rate dips is worth while. The places where the i5 really took a beating was in high action scenes where the physics gets to flex its muscles.

 

Which in my experience is either limited to scripted sequences or cut scenes and generally isn't a common thing in regular game play.

It wasn't just in the 'high action' scenes. GTA V on average had a 10FPS performance difference, which extended as far as to about 20FPS in places where, yes, heavy involvement of physics made a noticeable impact. I don't know about you, but I'd like to keep my gaming experience as stutter-free as possible. We're seeing a bottleneck in GTA V when a Titan X is paired with a i5 6600K - the CPU is the limiting factor.

8 minutes ago, FlushaDev said:

Yeah but the stutters are almost unnoticable! What's the point of spending more money on something that, really, doesn't change anything (almost)

You see the frametime graph? There was a substantial amount of stutter. On top of that, you're gaining a significant performance improvement in GTA V.

 

Alas, I don't want to sound condescending but don't complain to me when your CPU usage is hitting 100%.

[FlushaDev]

9 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

It wasn't just in the 'high action' scenes. GTA V on average had a 10FPS performance difference, which extended as far as to about 20FPS in places where, yes, heavy involvement of physics made a noticeable impact. I don't know about you, but I'd like to keep my gaming experience as stutter-free as possible. We're seeing a bottleneck in GTA V when a Titan X is paired with a i5 6600K - the CPU is the limiting factor.

You see the frametime graph? There was a substantial amount of stutter. On top of that, you're gaining a significant performance improvement in GTA V.

 

Alas, I don't want to sound condescending but don't complain to me when your CPU usage is hitting 100%.

Mhm will think seriously about this

[danrey84]

Personally I would stick with your i5 and get a 1440p monitor as that in the next year 2 will become the standard just like 1080p did after a while then maybe in the next year look at an i7 Kaby Lake which will use the same chipset as the current Skylake chips do.