PSU Tier List [OLD]

[turkey3_scratch]

29 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Looks like it fails the 3.3V rail advanced transient response tests.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-750-gold-psu,5206-8.html

 

Everything else is fucking amazing. So yeah, probably T1 though we could be strict and call it T2 because of bad 3.3V transient response.

 

Performance is within 1% of the RMx according to tomshardware's rating (not sure how it's calculated).

 

But it's pretty noisy, especially compared to the former. The 750W model uses a 120mm fan, which serves the purpose of making it very compact for a 750W, but also means the fan has to spin fAAAAAAAAAAAAAst.

Ehh, everything almost fails that test usually. Though I do agree, gotta call the shots where the bow strikes the outer bull, you know?

[Rexper]

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Both should be decent.

Sadly the thermaltake isn't tested, but should be somewhat decent as well.

The ToughPower Grand RGB Gold has many reviews. For example,

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=499

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/18/thermaltake_toughpower_grand_rgb_750w_psu_review/1

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermaltake-toughpower-grand-rgb-750w-psu,4928.html

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Energycore said:

The 750W model uses a 120mm fan, which serves the purpose of making it very compact for a 750W, but also means the fan has to spin fAAAAAAAAAAAAAst.

No has nothing to do with the fan, its the plattform/design.

The 750W uses the Focus Plattform, the bigger ones the 'old Prime' one. 

 

But see for yourself:

 

 

In those pics with those Plattforms, the 120mm off center seems optimal for both the Cougar 700W as well as the old FSP. 140mm offers no benefit and blows everywhere you don't want it to.

 

So in the End 130mm fans or bigger are just used for marketing purpose, not because they make sense.

Because you have some specific hot spots where you want the forced airflow, like Primary/PFC Heatsink, Secondary Rectifier. 

You don't want/need the cables to be cooled...

 

In those pics you also see that the one with the 80mm front fan looks really good in terms of airlfow.

 

Buttom line:
Design Matters, Fan Size not.

You can make a very good/quiet unit with 80mm fan if you want to but nobody does that no more because people believe because 140mm fans are advantageous as case fans and CPU Coolers they have to be better with Powersupplys as well - when they are not. Power Supplys aren't a big heatsink like CPU Cooler are.

[LienusLateTips]

2 hours ago, Energycore said:

Looks like it fails the 3.3V rail advanced transient response tests.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-750-gold-psu,5206-8.html

 

Everything else is fucking amazing. So yeah, probably T1 though we could be strict and call it T2 because of bad 3.3V transient response.

 

Performance is within 1% of the RMx according to tomshardware's rating (not sure how it's calculated).

 

But it's pretty noisy, especially compared to the former. The 750W model uses a 120mm fan, which serves the purpose of making it very compact for a 750W, but also means the fan has to spin fAAAAAAAAAAAAAst.

I remember the Focus Gold (non-Plus) being a slightly downgraded version of the Focus Plus Gold.

 

Think it was in the Tom's review for the Antec PSU that came out.

[Sem223]

On 16-12-2017 at 8:54 PM, STRMfrmXMN said:

What are you powering? It's terrible if you don't properly allocate your budget to it and you spend all your money on a 1080 Ti but it's fine if you have no dGPU.

What tier is the Coolermaster Masterwatt 700w 80+? I want to buy it for this pc : 

 

gpu : Geforce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5
cpu : Intel Core i5 8400 6-Core 6x2.8Ghz (turbo: 4.0Ghz)
mobo :  MSI Z370-A Pro Z370 ATX DDR4 USB 3.0 SATA600 M.2 Intel Optane
Memory : 16GB PC4-19200 2400Mhz DDR4 CL16 ram 
storage : 1TB SATA600 7200rpm 32MB hdd plus 250gb Samsung Evo ssd
case : case with 4 fans, 2 x usb 2.0 and 2 x usb 3.0
psu : -
cpu cooler : coolermaster 412 hyper 
Internet card : pci express TP-Link TL-WDN3800 (N600Dual) wifi card.

 

 

its a prebuilt so yeah.. i can also choose from the Coolermaster G750M and Corsair CX600. Which one is best? I’m not gonna overclock anything. I just want it to not make a lot of sound and do its job.

[79wjd]

37 minutes ago, Sem223 said:

What tier is the Coolermaster Masterwatt 700w 80+? I want to buy it for this pc : 

 

its a prebuilt so yeah.. i can also choose from the Coolermaster G750M and Corsair CX600. Which one is best? I’m not gonna overclock anything. I just want it to not make a lot of sound and do its job.

I assume you mean the Masterwatt Lite, which is pretty mediocre. You shouldn't get any of those options. 

 

You should be looking at something that's tier 3 or above and >= 450w.

[STRMfrmXMN]

3 hours ago, Sem223 said:

What tier is the Coolermaster Masterwatt 700w 80+? I want to buy it for this pc : 

 

gpu : Geforce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5
cpu : Intel Core i5 8400 6-Core 6x2.8Ghz (turbo: 4.0Ghz)
mobo :  MSI Z370-A Pro Z370 ATX DDR4 USB 3.0 SATA600 M.2 Intel Optane
Memory : 16GB PC4-19200 2400Mhz DDR4 CL16 ram 
storage : 1TB SATA600 7200rpm 32MB hdd plus 250gb Samsung Evo ssd
case : case with 4 fans, 2 x usb 2.0 and 2 x usb 3.0
psu : -
cpu cooler : coolermaster 412 hyper 
Internet card : pci express TP-Link TL-WDN3800 (N600Dual) wifi card.

 

 

its a prebuilt so yeah.. i can also choose from the Coolermaster G750M and Corsair CX600. Which one is best? I’m not gonna overclock anything. I just want it to not make a lot of sound and do its job.

The G750M is much better than the other options you listed.

 

By the way, higher wattage does not equate to a quieter PSU, and none of the PSUs you listed have a passive fan mode. Your system will draw maybe 230W under load, thus a Corsair CX450M would be fine for you. It has a quiet sleeve-bearing fan.

[cienight]

Thanks for the replys and help, in the end i didnt get any of those two because when i visited today the webshop i found the new 2018 model of Corsair RM850x for just 124€, so the choice becomes a no brainer at that moment?. Hopes for it being as good or even better as old 2015 model?.

[Mat_95]

So I have a GS800 (apparently the V2 variant Corsair silently released years back) got it with my sabertooth mobo , apparently a tier 4? Tbh 800watts is overkill for me; but spare power for more power hungry components can’t be bad I guess 

[Stefan Payne]

10 minutes ago, Mat_95 said:

So I have a GS800

Why?
That thing is ancient?!

 

10 minutes ago, Mat_95 said:

but spare power for more power hungry components can’t be bad I guess 

Spare power is just bullshit that doesn't give you any benefit at all. Can't do shit with it.

It just increases the cost, the damage if something goes wrong and also many times the noise of the PSU because they need stronger fans.

 

 

And 800W is something for 2 high end graphics cards at least. There is no other way to come close to 800W ever...

[Mat_95]

2 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Why?
That thing is ancient?!

 

Spare power is just bullshit that doesn't give you any benefit at all. Can't do shit with it.

It just increases the cost, the damage if something goes wrong and also many times the noise of the PSU because they need stronger fans.

 

 

And 800W is something for 2 high end graphics cards at least. There is no other way to come close to 800W ever...

The dude threw it in with the mobo; I paid like £150 for an x79 sabertooth last July and the dude had no use for the psu, and well; I weren’t bothered about it being 800 watts as I don’t think a 4930K, 1070, a ssd and a 1tb 7200rpm HDD use anywhere near; the psu never uses its fan; if that’s anything?

[Fawn]

Hi, i am going to build new pc and just started to considering what PSU would be decent to chose. I am surprised the Seasonic S12II dropped in a tier list (remember really good reviews of that unit) and  i remember common opinion the XFX TS 550 is rebrand of S12II... XFX is higher in tier so, I guess its not current, am I right? Is there new revision of TS 550 bronze? 

I would like to ask about some units i picked:

XFX Core TS 550W (P1-550S-GREN) and XFX TS 550 (P1-550S-XB9) - what's the difference between them? (there is about 1.50$ diffference).

Corsair CX550 (CP-9020121-EU) and Corsair CX550 (CP-9020059-EU) - what's the difference between them?(there is about 10$ difference).

Corsair CX650W (CP-9020122-EU) - any opinion?

I need PSU ~500W, which wont be more expensive than 55-60$, are my pick ok, or You can recommend something else in mentioned budget range?

 

 
 

[LienusLateTips]

2 hours ago, Fawn said:

Hi, i am going to build new pc and just started to considering what PSU would be decent to chose. I am surprised the Seasonic S12II dropped in a tier list (remember really good reviews of that unit) and  i remember common opinion the XFX TS 550 is rebrand of S12II... XFX is higher in tier so, I guess its not current, am I right? Is there new revision of TS 550 bronze? 

I would like to ask about some units i picked:

XFX Core TS 550W (P1-550S-GREN) and XFX TS 550 (P1-550S-XB9) - what's the difference between them? (there is about 1.50$ diffference).

Corsair CX550 (CP-9020121-EU) and Corsair CX550 (CP-9020059-EU) - what's the difference between them?(there is about 10$ difference).

Corsair CX650W (CP-9020122-EU) - any opinion?

I need PSU ~500W, which wont be more expensive than 55-60$, are my pick ok, or You can recommend something else in mentioned budget range?

 

 
 

I'd get the CX550.

It dropped since it's on a aging platform with missing protections.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Fawn said:

Hi, i am going to build new pc

 

 
 

Personally, I would've started a new thread.  Gotten more eyes on it.  Instead of "what PSU do you recommend" thread, you're bumping a thread about a subjective PSU tier list that some people are just tired of checking in on.  Know what I mean?

[Fawn]

31 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Personally, I would've started a new thread.  Gotten more eyes on it.  Instead of "what PSU do you recommend" thread, you're bumping a thread about a subjective PSU tier list that some people are just tired of checking in on.  Know what I mean?

Sure, i know what u mean but i'm waiting for H310 chipset so,making new thread is clueless at the moment I do some market research about another PC parts (especially PSUs and cases) in order to reduce doubts when time comes.

 

1 hour ago, JDE said:

It dropped since it's on a aging platform with missing protections

Yeah, I read something about that, but well i used to opinion this one is obvious budget choice (price in my country dropped little bit  - 1 year ago it was really overpriced - so i got it in consideration. Already denied.  

 

1 hour ago, JDE said:

I'd get the CX550

Which one? (CP-9020121-EU) / (CP-9020059-EU)

There is 20% price difference between them.

[79wjd]

12 minutes ago, Fawn said:

Which one? (CP-9020121-EU) / (CP-9020059-EU)

There is 20% price difference between them.

CP-9020121-EU.

 

 

One is a CX550 and the other is a CX500m. The x50 models are part of the revised series and is much better.

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

26 minutes ago, Fawn said:

]

Which one? (CP-9020121-EU) / (CP-9020059-EU)

There is 20% price difference between them.

The one he said...?
 

One of those is a CX500 and the other a CX550.

[Fawn]

5 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

The one he said...?
 

One of those is a CX500 and the other a CX550.

There was some mistake in product description in shop i've checking it out (both are x50, both called cx550, one of them on photo has "M" ). Anyway I cant find what really is that CP-9020059-EU. There are different models for US and UE, definitely made for clearness corsair offer...

Chepest is CP-9020121-EU, next is Corsair CX650W (CP-9020122-EU) and the most expensive is CP-9020059-EU (about 85$)

[LienusLateTips]

5 minutes ago, Fawn said:

There was some mistake in product description in shop i've checking it out (both are x50, both called cx550, one of them on photo has "M" ). Anyway I cant find what really is that CP-9020059-EU. There are different models for US and UE, definitely made for clearness corsair offer...

Chepest is CP-9020121-EU, next is Corsair CX650W (CP-9020122-EU) and the most expensive is CP-9020059-EU (about 85$)

Yeah, the most expensive is the last gen CX500M, which isn't very good. If you want modular, you'll want the CX550M, not 500M.

[Fawn]

@JDE Roger that!

[Stefan Payne]

12 hours ago, Fawn said:

 I am surprised the Seasonic S12II dropped in a tier list (remember really good reviews of that unit)

Yes, because its probably the most overrated PSU of all time...

It lacks Protection, is rather loud and revs the fan up rather quickly (AFAIR at around 200-250W) and to around 2000rpm...

And take a look at the HY-510N because that's the Protection Chip.

 

I think people deceive themselves because of the "Wapanese Capacitors", wich are most likely also made in China like all other caps in PSU these days...

 

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and  i remember common opinion the XFX TS 550 is rebrand of S12II... XFX is higher in tier so, I guess its not current, am I right? Is there new revision of TS 550 bronze? 

There aren't reviews of the TS 550 Bronze because its not a good PSU. 

Just look at that (GERMAN!!!) Review:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/5/

 

 

The second Revision of the XT is S12II-Bronze as well. And doesn't look good, does it?

 

Especially the fan speed is really bad. At around 250W its already over 1000rpm and reaches ~2k at around 400W.

 

And its still group regulated...

 

 

 

 

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I would like to ask about some units i picked:

XFX Core TS 550W (P1-550S-GREN) and XFX TS 550 (P1-550S-XB9) - what's the difference between them? (there is about 1.50$ diffference).

Corsair CX550 (CP-9020121-EU) and Corsair CX550 (CP-9020059-EU) - what's the difference between them?(there is about 10$ difference).

Corsair CX650W (CP-9020122-EU) - any opinion?

I need PSU ~500W, which wont be more expensive than 55-60$, are my pick ok, or You can recommend something else in mentioned budget range?

Since you mention EU:
be quiet Pure Power 10 is also a decent Option. 

For a bit more, Bitfenix Formula wich is way better than the ones you mentioned.

Cougar LX and GX-S a re a bit expensive sadly and got owned by the Bitfenix Formula so don't make much sense no more...

[Fred.g]

Hi, I'm wondering why the antec current gamer is down to tier 4, What faults does it have? it seems to have descent caps and protection and is a tier 2 in another list, now i'm confused. is the performance bad?. I have Antec HCG - 750 M current gamer running an i7 8700, Gskill Ripjaws 16gb 2 x 8gb 3200, Aorus gaming 5 board, 3 case fans 140's, Seagate 7200 750gb, Samsung 850 pro 256gb OS drive, atm I have a gtx 750 but it will have a gtx 1080 shortly, noctua nh - d15s. with the graphics card I have it is fine except bottle necking on some games which is why the gtx 1080 is coming, but I want to make sure the psu will run it all fine. I live in a very Humid to hot place most time temps in the room are around the mid to high 20' and 30's, bit cooler in winter. What I read about it sounded ok and had descent hardware in it, made by seasonic so it can't be too bad. Please advise if this psu is not up to scratch and what they say is in it. It seems to perform fine now no OCing yet but if I do I want to know this thing can handle it.

Thanks. 

[LienusLateTips]

42 minutes ago, Fred.g said:

Hi, I'm wondering why the antec current gamer is down to tier 4, What faults does it have? it seems to have descent caps and protection and is a tier 2 in another list, now i'm confused. is the performance bad?. I have Antec HCG - 750 M current gamer running an i7 8700, Gskill Ripjaws 16gb 2 x 8gb 3200, Aorus gaming 5 board, 3 case fans 140's, Seagate 7200 750gb, Samsung 850 pro 256gb OS drive, atm I have a gtx 750 but it will have a gtx 1080 shortly, noctua nh - d15s. with the graphics card I have it is fine except bottle necking on some games which is why the gtx 1080 is coming, but I want to make sure the psu will run it all fine. I live in a very Humid to hot place most time temps in the room are around the mid to high 20' and 30's, bit cooler in winter. What I read about it sounded ok and had descent hardware in it, made by seasonic so it can't be too bad. Please advise if this psu is not up to scratch and what they say is in it. It seems to perform fine now no OCing yet but if I do I want to know this thing can handle it.

Thanks. 

It will be fine, but SeaSonic manufacturer isn't all that counts. it's on a aging platform, but I heard this one has better protections, but still loud fan and group regulated.

[turkey3_scratch]

38 minutes ago, Fred.g said:

Hi, I'm wondering why the antec current gamer is down to tier 4, What faults does it have? it seems to have descent caps and protection and is a tier 2 in another list, now i'm confused.

The lists are still subjective; even if they are based off of objective criteria, the decision on the objective criteria is subjective. So that's why they would be different in different lists. Not to mention, this list has more tiers than most other lists, so keep that in mind.

39 minutes ago, Fred.g said:

is the performance bad?

"Bad" is subjective. I'd recommend looking at reviews and judging yourself. "Good" and "bad" are ideas in our minds that sometimes differ. Other times, they don't differ, so we use the words anyway. It's safe to say Logisys PSUs are bad because 99% of people agree with it, so going out of our way for the 1% is not worth it. But when maybe 60% of people think something is bad and 40% think it is good, we should avoid the words "good" and "bad" altogether and talk about actual specific key aspects instead of attempting to stamp a universal label of simple criteria onto it.

41 minutes ago, Fred.g said:

I have Antec HCG - 750 M current gamer running an i7 8700, Gskill Ripjaws 16gb 2 x 8gb 3200, Aorus gaming 5 board, 3 case fans 140's, Seagate 7200 750gb, Samsung 850 pro 256gb OS drive, atm I have a gtx 750 but it will have a gtx 1080 shortly, noctua nh - d15s. with the graphics card I have it is fine except bottle necking on some games which is why the gtx 1080 is coming, but I want to make sure the psu will run it all fine.

It can support your hardware, yes. I would not replace it if I owned it.

42 minutes ago, Fred.g said:

What I read about it sounded ok and had descent hardware in it, made by seasonic so it can't be too bad

Careful there. "Seasonic can't make a bad power supply" - is this something you've heard others say or judged yourself by extensively researching Seasonic's entire repertoire of power supplies? Plus how do we define "bad power supply"? People have different criteria of what is bad and good. Is there such a thing as a correct criteria? I think not but others might think so, yet will have difficulty discovering said criteria explicitly or arguing in favor of its correctness.

44 minutes ago, Fred.g said:

Please advise if this psu is not up to scratch and what they say is in it. It seems to perform fine now no OCing yet but if I do I want to know this thing can handle it.

Thanks. 

Yes it can handle it.

[STRMfrmXMN]

1 hour ago, Fred.g said:

Hi, I'm wondering why the antec current gamer is down to tier 4,

It's old and group-regulated, just like the M12 it's based on.