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[RUMOUR] Vive 2.0 coming early 2017

TweakTown has just shared a rumour saying that the new vive is set to come in early 2017.

 

It feels like the vive only came out a month ago and HTC are already making plans for a new one.

 

Brian Rowe also said in an interview with Roadtovr that they plan on the new making the Vive 2.0 thinner, lighter, have modular headphones, and just overall better in everything, as

you'd expect.

 

what are Oculus going to do..

 

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6 minutes ago, cozz said:

TweakTown has just shared a rumour saying that the new vive is set to come in early 2017.

 

It feels like the vive only came out a month ago and HTC are already making plans for a new one.

 

Brian Rowe also said in an interview with Roadtovr that they plan on the new making the Vive 2.0 thinner, lighter, have modular headphones, and just overall better in everything, as

you'd expect.

 

what are Oculus going to do..

 

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Could you edit the title and add [RUMOUR] to the start of it too please :)

 

Now onto the topic...

 

If this turns out to be true then there's going to be a shitstorm created by all the people who have just forked out $700 for the current model. Its reasonable to expect at least 12 months out of a brand new piece of hardware before it gets replaced with a shinier new model.

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I'm sorry, but I just don't feel like VR will be the next new gaming experience. It's literally just another Wii, but you're viewing it through goggles.

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10 minutes ago, Supermangik said:

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel like VR will be the next new gaming experience. It's literally just another Wii, but you're viewing it through goggles.

Agreed, it think it will remain at least somewhat relevant to the enthusiast users but right now I don't think we are ready for VR at home, maybe in 20 years time but not now.

 

Using VR at home as to many drawbacks for the average joe user. Your basically tethered you your PC which is far from ideal, also most people just don't have the room to do VR properly at home, being sat in a chair or standing in one spot is just pointless IMO. If you've got a Vive you need a massive space to set it up properly and that's not something many people can spare, and even those that have a big space might not have a machine that's powerful enough available to them in the right place.

 

I do see VR making a massive impact in other areas though, I reckon it will be more prevalent in training facilities where they can use VR to give public servants basic training in dangerous situations without the risk of serious injury or death to the trainee.

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13 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

 

this turns out to be true then there's going to be a shitstorm created by all the people who have just forked out $700 for the current model. Its reasonable to expect at least 12 months out of a brand new piece of hardware before it gets replaced with a shinier new model.

vive user here. No shitstorm from me. Tech moves forward that's understood.

steamvr ensures my backwards compatibility, I can still play all the upcoming vive games regardless of which model I have.

 

also it's expected to be modular so I can keep my existing lighthouse tracking and my controllers but at some point just upgrade the HMD.

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1 hour ago, Supermangik said:

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel like VR will be the next new gaming experience. It's literally just another Wii, but you're viewing it through goggles.

Have you tried it out ?

Have u thought of plastic replicas of weapons as controllers for shooters ?

Have u thought of driving simulators ?

 

I think u haven't. VR is gonna be like real life one day. Atm moment the pixelated screens aren't that good but it's miles ahead of monitor and keyboard when it comes to immersion.

 

Back to topic: it's a rumour and I don't think it will be here that soon. 2017 is realistic but not the beginning of it IMO.

 

If I had to guess I could say 3rd of 4th quarter of that year.

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2 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Agreed, it think it will remain at least somewhat relevant to the enthusiast users but right now I don't think we are ready for VR at home, maybe in 20 years time but not now.

 

Using VR at home as to many drawbacks for the average joe user. Your basically tethered you your PC which is far from ideal, also most people just don't have the room to do VR properly at home, being sat in a chair or standing in one spot is just pointless IMO. If you've got a Vive you need a massive space to set it up properly and that's not something many people can spare, and even those that have a big space might not have a machine that's powerful enough available to them in the right place.

 

I do see VR making a massive impact in other areas though, I reckon it will be more prevalent in training facilities where they can use VR to give public servants basic training in dangerous situations without the risk of serious injury or death to the trainee.

I don't think you quite understand how fast tech advances. 5-10 years is a much more realistic number. Ideally the set ups need to hit the $300 mark with some really killer applications and games for it to get a lot of notice outside of the enthusiast sphere. Even something like the GearVR impresses the shit out of people when they try it and that's only a step above Google Cardboard in terms of a "true" VR experience. Right now Sony's PSVR has the best chance of gaining more mainstream attention, especially if they keep showing it off to the public. $400-$500 is still too much, but it's better than $600 or $800 (assuming the person already has a VR capable PC).

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2 hours ago, Supermangik said:

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel like VR will be the next new gaming experience. It's literally just another Wii, but you're viewing it through goggles.

Yeah. The space and movement limitations make it clash. Deva need to get really creative if it's gonna stay alive. I do see it being amazing for 3d modeling, architecture, etc. 

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I would hope so. It was said over and over gen 1 early adopters are paying a premium for less. I ponied up for rift DK2. However I had already decided I want to wait until at least the third generation of commercial release unless the second revisions are that awesome. Bring on 1440 or 4K VR. :-)

 

 

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3 hours ago, Supermangik said:

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel like VR will be the next new gaming experience. It's literally just another Wii, but you're viewing it through goggles.

very true, but VR will only get better.

maybe they are actually some real games when the vive 2.0 is out.

most are just tech demos sold with a huge early adopter tax.

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Also owner of the Vive here. If they just give it a bit of weight reduction, maybe a bit in the cost, that is inconsequential. If they were to do something more radical, I hope they give early adopters a nod in some form. Personally the biggest single upgrade I'd like to see is in resolution and optics in general.

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I hope the international price will be more uniform too, for example the price for the release Oculus HMD is a lot more outside of the US even considering exchange rate variance and deducting taxes. I hope VR gets more mainstream, more games become available and pricing for PC VR experience goes down, until then maybe Sony's PS VR version may be the solution for the mainstream audience and maybe shifts focus of developers more to the VR experience of games.

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4 hours ago, Supermangik said:

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel like VR will be the next new gaming experience. It's literally just another Wii, but you're viewing it through goggles.

You have never tried VR then. I wii is a lag tastic just shake a remote. A Vive is get lost for hours in a distant place and have to sit down to realize you are still on earth

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38 minutes ago, porina said:

Also owner of the Vive here. If they just give it a bit of weight reduction, maybe a bit in the cost, that is inconsequential. If they were to do something more radical, I hope they give early adopters a nod in some form. Personally the biggest single upgrade I'd like to see is in resolution and optics in general.

I just want higher res screens. The weight is heavy but not extreme were it falls off

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6 hours ago, cozz said:

what are Oculus going to do..

If the Vive 2.0 is coming out that early, it's probably just to match the areas where the Oculus Rift is superior to the Vive - comfort, weight, build quality, convenience. The integrated headphones are especially vital.

 

Likewise, Oculus should be working on matching the areas where the Vive is superior - tracked controllers, multiple sensors for room scale VR, front camera and chaperone. They're obviously already developing the Touch controllers (which look to be somewhat better than the Vive controllers), and have added support for up to 4 tracking sensors in a recent software update. There have also been leaks about a chaperone-like system. So all they don't seem to have an answer for is the front camera - but that may not be important enough.

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I think that the Vive 2.0 even if it does happen will be like the Wii, it just got lucky now nobody wants it.

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I doubt that it will have a better screen or anything along those lines. Just ergonomics more than anything. 

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Good that's VR is evolving. For me though I'll wait until hardware get's quite advanced that certain VR thingy can actually last and be vastly supported before I consider even buying one. And also, games need to be epic in visuals and gameplay complex. Don't care for cartoony fooling around already generic, boring games but just on VR anyway.

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7 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

If this turns out to be true then there's going to be a shitstorm created by all the people who have just forked out $700 for the current model. Its reasonable to expect at least 12 months out of a brand new piece of hardware before it gets replaced with a shinier new model.

You might be right, sadly.

I think this word is extremely overused but I think it fits perfectly here. Anyone who would get mad over the Vive 2 being released in about half a year is a huge, self-entitled douchebag. Wanna know why I think that? Because you are essentially saying "other people don't deserve something better than me".

 

It is one thing to want something good for yourself, and it's a completely different thing to say other people should not be allowed to get something better than what you got. Holding other people back is one of the biggest dick moves you can do. It's not even like your own product gets worse. It's just that you don't want a product someone else is buying to be better than the product you bought.

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Sweet! I think they should just call it a Vive S or something though, not a whole new iteration. They're probably just doing smart tweaks to the headset, not putting in new panels or wireless compatibility or anything. I won't buy a Vive until the headsets are wireless and of a higher resolution, I don't see that taking more than a couple of years.

 

7 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

First off your post doesn't meet the requirements for posting in this section

Could you edit the title and add [RUMOUR] to the start of it too please :)

 

Now onto the topic...

 

If this turns out to be true then there's going to be a shitstorm created by all the people who have just forked out $700 for the current model. Its reasonable to expect at least 12 months out of a brand new piece of hardware before it gets replaced with a shinier new model.

I don't think so. Most people that bought one would have been very invested in tech, and they'll likely be excited to see it advancing.

7 hours ago, Supermangik said:

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel like VR will be the next new gaming experience. It's literally just another Wii, but you're viewing it through goggles.

Have you ever played it?
If not, then I wouldn't talk.

7 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Agreed, it think it will remain at least somewhat relevant to the enthusiast users but right now I don't think we are ready for VR at home, maybe in 20 years time but not now.

 

Using VR at home as to many drawbacks for the average joe user. Your basically tethered you your PC which is far from ideal, also most people just don't have the room to do VR properly at home, being sat in a chair or standing in one spot is just pointless IMO. If you've got a Vive you need a massive space to set it up properly and that's not something many people can spare, and even those that have a big space might not have a machine that's powerful enough available to them in the right place.

 

I do see VR making a massive impact in other areas though, I reckon it will be more prevalent in training facilities where they can use VR to give public servants basic training in dangerous situations without the risk of serious injury or death to the trainee.

The tether isn't that bad if you set up for it properly. My friend simply has it run along the ceiling and on a loop near the light in the room. You also don't need much room. He lives in an apartment, and his living room has more than enough space.

20 years is way, way too far ahead. Think closer to 5. 20 years ago we were still playing games on PS1 and N64. If it wasn't for the recession we'd be much farther ahead than we are now (gaming wise) as well.

4 hours ago, Sparviero said:

I would hope so. It was said over and over gen 1 early adopters are paying a premium for less. I ponied up for rift DK2. However I had already decided I want to wait until at least the third generation of commercial release unless the second revisions are that awesome. Bring on 1440 or 4K VR. :-)

 

 

Can't wait for 4k VR! Still a long, long way off though.

33 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Good that's VR is evolving. For me though I'll wait until hardware get's quite advanced that certain VR thingy can actually last and be vastly supported before I consider even buying one. And also, games need to be epic in visuals and gameplay complex. Don't care for cartoony fooling around already generic, boring games but just on VR anyway.

Have you ever actually played one of those cartoony games on the Vive?

There's one where you pick pieces off of a floating cat, and build a machine to get a balloon to hit a specific box in the distance.

I thought it'd be the lamest of all the VR games my buddy has. It was the one I spent the most time in.

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3 hours ago, dizmo said:

Have you ever actually played one of those cartoony games on the Vive?

There's one where you pick pieces off of a floating cat, and build a machine to get a balloon to hit a specific box in the distance.

I thought it'd be the lamest of all the VR games my buddy has. It was the one I spent the most time in.

Yes I have, local computer shop haves it for demo for everyone to try. I knew what I'll expect. I'm not excited just cause something is in VR and that's supposed to be amusing, cause it's not to me. It should be in pair of todays games or so. Don't care about generic games, kid games or fooling around just cause it's in VR and is supposed to be good. I want it to be fully immersive, visually and gameplay wise. Not paint graphics and just generic hand movements and all that is supposed to be great cause you feel you're in space. I just got bored really fast after first few games and movements I've tried.
But yeah, wish to see the day they make a great game be it like AAA title or MMO even. :D Otherwise, I don't care.

I know it's in early stages and all, of course it will take time. Just there's no hype or interest for me at all for now. :)

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After trying Vive I know that I don't want it yet. The experience was great but it is so apparent that they still have a long way to go. Especially when it costs almost €900 here in EU. I will first throw my money on 4k monitor.

Maybe V3.0 or 4.0 will be when I will be buying it. Not now.

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Anyone who forked out their cash on Vive or Rift expecting these to last did not think it all through too well and frankly acted out a bit rash. If you spent money to have it now no matter the cost - that's exactly what you will get. For the rest - sorry, this was just a test.

Both headsets no matter how advanced and good at what they do are first release. Hence the high price and availability issues. In fact both devices will "technically" be on the market for over a year by the time 2017 releases rolls out so you kind of get at least a year out of them.

My expectation is similar screen, lighter unit, much lower price. VR has a ton of challenges going ahead and high price of headset itself is not going to get them anywhere. Both HTC and Facebook knows that. They cashed on initial offerings and now it's time to show the real deal. Time will tell. Anywhere over €300 here in Europe and the PC VR business is a bust. At least for us average consumers. Developers won't inject their cash in limited user base. There will be few but far in between and it needs to spread faster.

Want an example of how fast new inexpensive technology can grow - check Pokemon Go. An absurd idea at a glance but everyone has access and it works. Picked up like nothing ever before.

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VR is going to need a lot before it becomes mainstream

 

much higher res and FOV, HDR, better tracking, gvs 

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