Twitch’s shift to HTML5 starts today

[Kimmers]

On 7/14/2016 at 11:23 AM, The Benjamins said:

that is recommended you can stream higher then that.

Unless you get special permission from Twitch, you cannot stream at higher bitrates as that is considered server abuse and is a bannable offense. 

[Thony]

So has anyone tried it yet ? It isnt even showing up for me at all.

[Guest]

It's in beta and only for Twitch Turbo members for now.

[Helly]

well finally, i cant watch anything twitch on my pc with firefox cuz it will just crash firefox while playing the ad. If it does manage to get passed the ad then the stream is just choppy and soon crashes firefox anyway... i have to use chrome to watch twitch now :(. i don't like chrome, so i only use it for twitch now which i don't watch much anyway.

 

I also agree with a lot of ppl here about the bitrate and quality options for everyone. It really sucks to have 100mbit upload and not being able to use it for twitch cuz everyone will be whining about the bitrate being to high. All i want from twitch now is for everyone to get quality options. i don't care about rewinding.

[Celmor]

Waited for that change for quite a while, Flash uses noticably more resources on my machines so I used mostly dedicated programs for viewing stream like livestreamer.

[-BirdiE-]

19 hours ago, bobhays said:

lol if 8mbps streaming is too small for 1080p, it seems like you're just being a prick. They can't just stream source to everyone, the bandwidth would be ridiculous.

If you think even 40Mbps is even close to source 1080p, it seems like you just shouldn't be commenting...

 

Lossless compression for 1080p is ~ 35-45Mbps (h.264). Raw 1080p is ~ 497Mbps. When you've compressed 1080p down to 8Mbps (1 fifth of the lossless quality), and high quality 600p videos look better, then I think you can very confidently say 8Mbps is not enough for 1080p.

 

Want to use less bandwidth? Cool. Turn down the quality.

[kol]

Could use the Livestreamer GUI and watch in VLC/MPC with H264 encoding. Pretty light on CPU usage (on my 3570K anyway)

[Me1z]

Ugh, hopefully in the long term they make HTML5 an option you can turn off in the settings. I'm probably the only one in this camp, but I find it to be horribly buggy and they tend to buffer like crazy because HTML5 video players can't preload for some idiotic reason. Sure, flash isn't the most secure or lightweight, but for me it atleast works properly and thats more than I can say for HTML5.

[Sauron]

Finally. Let's get rid of flash already.

[MatthewsTech]

Love a bit of HTML5, Much more efficient than flash so that's fantastic!

[PlayStation 2]

58 minutes ago, -BirdiE- said:

If you think even 40Mbps is even close to source 1080p, it seems like you just shouldn't be commenting...

 

Lossless compression for 1080p is ~ 35-45Mbps (h.264). Raw 1080p is ~ 497Mbps. When you've compressed 1080p down to 8Mbps (1 fifth of the lossless quality), and high quality 600p videos look better, then I think you can very confidently say 8Mbps is not enough for 1080p.

 

Want to use less bandwidth? Cool. Turn down the quality.

All depends on what you're using to encode the stream in. Sure it's not enough for MPEG2 or h264, but h265 it's pretty damn good for what it's worth.

[-BirdiE-]

23 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

All depends on what you're using to encode the stream in. Sure it's not enough for MPEG2 or h264, but h265 it's pretty damn good for what it's worth.

Yeah. It would be nice if twitch or youtube started using h.265.

[PlayStation 2]

12 minutes ago, -BirdiE- said:

Yeah. It would be nice if twitch or youtube started using h.265.

Yep. YouTube would benefit greatly from h265 support, mainly in file size, which results in less to buffer, which they could use to let you buffer more of the video lol

[bobhays]

12 hours ago, -BirdiE- said:

If you think even 40Mbps is even close to source 1080p, it seems like you just shouldn't be commenting...

 

Lossless compression for 1080p is ~ 35-45Mbps (h.264). Raw 1080p is ~ 497Mbps. When you've compressed 1080p down to 8Mbps (1 fifth of the lossless quality), and high quality 600p videos look better, then I think you can very confidently say 8Mbps is not enough for 1080p.

 

Want to use less bandwidth? Cool. Turn down the quality.

Ok prickness confirmed...

If you ready my comment i said source bandwidth would be ridiculous. You also aren't going to get blu-ray quality from streaming. I'm not talking about bandwidth for end users but bandwidth for the companies hosting the content. High quality 600p absolutely do not look better than 1080p just going off of youtube 1080p compared to my own recording.

Don't get me wrong I understand that there is a market for high quality streaming from people who care enough to have a nice setup and the bandwidth for it. (I assume you fall in this category), but for 95% of people they just want to watch a video of decent enough quality. 8mbps is not terrible for 1080p, i'd prefer closer to 15, but at least on youtube you can just turn up the res if a higher res video was uploaded and then you'll get higher bandwidth. Netflix on the other hand is crap with regards to settings.

 

Side note: Source video could very easily be 40mbps since the majority of video is recorded compressed.

[-BirdiE-]

4 hours ago, bobhays said:

High quality 600p absolutely do not look better than 1080p just going off of youtube 1080p compared to my own recording.

Ok. No knowledge confirmed.

 

I'm not going to spend my time explaining things to you and doing the math just because you feel the need to have strong opinions on things you don't understand.

[The Benjamins]

15 hours ago, -BirdiE- said:

Yeah. It would be nice if twitch or youtube started using h.265.

 

15 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Yep. YouTube would benefit greatly from h265 support, mainly in file size, which results in less to buffer, which they could use to let you buffer more of the video lol

Not for a few years h265 is about 3-4 times more CPU intensive then h264 and most PC's don't have hardware acceleration for h265 yet. New amd GPU, CPU (Zen), nvidia's GPU and Intel's CPUs now come with h265 hardware. 

[-BirdiE-]

3 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

 

Not for a few years h265 is about 3-4 times more CPU intensive then h264 and most PC's don't have hardware acceleration for h265 yet. New amd GPU, CPU (Zen), nvidia's GPU and Intel's CPUs now come with h265 hardware. 

Correction... Great for consumers... lol

 

I guess you also have people that are rocking some pretty old CPUs that YouTube want to still have access (pre 'i' series).

I think the big reason is also that it would put a LOT more strain on their servers to re-encode any of the video.

[ohitsluca]

On July 14, 2016 at 3:15 PM, MilkJugg24 said:

This has been going on for almost a year now. Only certain users have been getting rotated in and out of the program.

 

There are also addons you can get that force HTML5 as well.

 

The author of this article clearly had no idea what they're talking about.

 

-No sauce

-Took a picture of their screen with a camera

-Appears to be a casual using a macbook and watching a streamer that was playing Pokemon X&Y at the time.

 

I'll take my chances and say this is yet another journalist being a dumbass in the tech department.

they sent out an e-mail to all Twitch Turbo subscribers saying that the html5 closed beta is live and how to turn it on

 

source: my e-mail

[bobhays]

13 hours ago, -BirdiE- said:

Ok. No knowledge confirmed.

 

I'm not going to spend my time explaining things to you and doing the math just because you feel the need to have strong opinions on things you don't understand.

You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about if you think any 600p video looks better than a properly encoded 8mbps 1080p video on a >1080p display

[Crt]

This is quite interesting to see massive hate for flash.

 

Anyone want to inform a less-informed person in small chunks on what's so bad about flash? Thanks!

[vanished]

26 minutes ago, Crt said:

This is quite interesting to see massive hate for flash.

 

Anyone want to inform a less-informed person in small chunks on what's so bad about flash? Thanks!

On 7/14/2016 at 7:38 PM, Ryan_Vickers said:

As someone who's created applications and animations in Flash before, I can confirm all the negative sentiment toward it is justified The performance is quite poor, and it creates a ton of other problems due to whatever you're loading being a "black box" more or less.  Everything should be trying to move toward HTML5, and actually I'm shocked this hadn't already been done.

[mrchow19910319]

On 7/15/2016 at 0:51 AM, djdwosk97 said:

good, now i can watch twitch on my laptop without the cpu fan shooting up to 100% because flash is garbage.

Totally agree.

I always thought it was google chrome...

So in the end it was flash that's used by google chrome causing this issue... Hmmm...

[mrchow19910319]

On 7/15/2016 at 3:24 AM, MilkJugg24 said:

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I am using a 1440p monitor and somehow I regretted buying it.

1080p is still the shit. 

[mrchow19910319]

On 7/15/2016 at 3:28 AM, Teddy07 said:

I am so glad for the change.

Twitch began to lag brutally sometimes after ads because it suddenly went down to ~5-10 fps on my laptop. I then reload the site and all works fine again.

Ads?  What Ads??

Not using adblock??? 

[Teddy07]

Just now, mrchow19910319 said:

Ads?  What Ads??

Not using adblock??? 

disabled on twitch, youtube and various other sites. I dont really care AD breaks because i just mute the stream