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Twitch’s shift to HTML5 starts today

15 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Isn't it a bit more now that there are 4K videos coming?

Stop, you're triggering me.

 

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2 minutes ago, MilkJugg24 said:

Stop, you're triggering me.

Blame Linus he's the one advertising 4K for ltt videos :)

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5 hours ago, laminutederire said:

Blame Linus he's the one advertising 4K for ltt videos :)

I will.

 

4K streaming will never be a thing, because of several reasons.

 

-How many people in the US and Worldwide have access to speeds somewhere up to 10Mbps.

-How many people even use 4K yet.

-How much it honestly matters when watching someone play a game where actually watching 4K matters. (I honestly cant think of a reason to watch someone play past 720p.)

 

Native 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps (and maybe 60fps if you're like partnered and have several thousand viewers) is honestly the sweet spot of a vast majority of streamers. There is no reason to go past that.

 

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I am so glad for the change.

Twitch began to lag brutally sometimes after ads because it suddenly went down to ~5-10 fps on my laptop. I then reload the site and all works fine again.

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1 hour ago, MilkJugg24 said:

4K streaming will never be a thing, because of several reasons.

 

So you know what the state of the Internet will be in 2873?  What about 4921?  What about 10,305?  How about 49,284?

 

You'd figure that 40,000+ years from now, we would have solved 4K streaming.

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1 hour ago, MilkJugg24 said:

 

lol but yeah you do make some pretty good points.

Anyways, I'm guessing you're talking about this photo from the sauce itself.

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Finally! About time! Long overdue.

Now they also need to increase bitrate and make it to skip around during livestream. Higher bitrate is definitely needed. 1080p@60fps should be streamed with high enough bitrate so there's no such loss of quality, specially artifacting in fast gameplay action.

 

Here's official blog post about this update:
https://blog.twitch.tv/html5-player-turbo-beta-starts-today-135d1b7baa65

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If I'm not mistaken, this should enable the use of h.265 / HEVC, which is something I've been waiting for since the beginning of time.

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4 hours ago, Xorbot said:

 

So you know what the state of the Internet will be in 2873?  What about 4921?  What about 10,305?  How about 49,284?

 

You'd figure that 40,000+ years from now, we would have solved 4K streaming.

I didn't know we were talking about things that we are going to be dead before witnessing.

 

4K will be for probably things such as movie screens, or local broadcasting at arenas and the larger screens... and then everyone outside of the LAN will be watching a downscaled broadcast deemed appropriate to the host's bitrate.

 

4 hours ago, wcreek said:

lol but yeah you do make some pretty good points.

Anyways, I'm guessing you're talking about this photo from the sauce itself.

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Yes. But apparently they were able to figure out the screenshot tool for the 2nd picture in the article

 

Also, I was mistaken, he was just browsing TC: The Division, but the streamer kind of happened to show up in the picture, and he is a variety streamer partnered, but not paid by twitch.

2 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

Finally! About time! Long overdue.

Now they also need to increase bitrate and make it to skip around during livestream. Higher bitrate is definitely needed. 1080p@60fps should be streamed with high enough bitrate so there's no such loss of quality, specially artifacting in fast gameplay action.

 

Here's official blog post about this update:
https://blog.twitch.tv/html5-player-turbo-beta-starts-today-135d1b7baa65

 

https://blog.twitch.tv/html5-player-turbo-beta-starts-today-135d1b7baa65#.com4fad90

 

Too bad the article didn't mention anything about this...

 

It just looks like they're pushing the update out of "alpha" then.

2 hours ago, Fooshi said:

If I'm not mistaken, this should enable the use of h.265 / HEVC, which is something I've been waiting for since the beginning of time.

H.265 has been implemented quite a while ago as well. The times of Twitch having almost unwatchable streams have been a thing of the past for a while.

Twitch is still CPU intensive to say the least, but buffering has been extremely minimized for smaller streams and for people with slow internet speeds as well.

 

HEVC on the other hand, I do not think has been put in yet as of now.

 

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3 minutes ago, MilkJugg24 said:

https://blog.twitch.tv/html5-player-turbo-beta-starts-today-135d1b7baa65#.com4fad90

 

Too bad the article didn't mention anything about this...

 

It just looks like they're pushing the update out of "alpha" then.

Yeah, can't wait when it's finally released for everyone.

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1 minute ago, Doobeedoo said:

Yeah, can't wait when it's finally released for everyone.

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I can't wait to actually play WoW, instead of Warlords of Farmville.

 

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1 minute ago, MilkJugg24 said:

I can't wait to actually play WoW, instead of Warlords of Farmville.

Heh, yeah. What keeps me playing is PvP though.

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As someone who's created applications and animations in Flash before, I can confirm all the negative sentiment toward it is justified :D The performance is quite poor, and it creates a ton of other problems due to whatever you're loading being a "black box" more or less.  Everything should be trying to move toward HTML5, and actually I'm shocked this hadn't already been done.

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16 minutes ago, MilkJugg24 said:

 

H.265 has been implemented quite a while ago as well. The times of Twitch having almost unwatchable streams have been a thing of the past for a while.

Twitch is still CPU intensive to say the least, but buffering has been extremely minimized for smaller streams and for people with slow internet speeds as well.

 

HEVC on the other hand, I do not think has been put in yet as of now.

HEVC is the same thing as H.265...

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2 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

HEVC is the same thing as H.265...

Whoops. Was thinking about the broadcasting programs, I've been trying to configure AMD's HVEC instead of the x264. It really doesn't like low bitrate streaming.

 

Yea, they're both the same when watching the broadcast.

 

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10 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

that is recommended you can stream higher then that.

no.

yes you can, but you will get a warning from twitch if they cought you.

technically 3500 could be enough for 1080p60 IF you use a higher encoding preset.

there were some big streamers who streamed at 4k+ bitrate and got a warning.

another dude tested different bitrates and encoding settings and got his channel shut down.

 

not to mention that most people cant even watch a stream with a bitrate higher than 3500.

a higher preset will raise the stream delay by a ton too

streaming at 2500+ is also a no-go for unpartnered streamers.

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Everyone wants higher bitrate streams but that isn't the answer for better quality, HEVC(h.265/x.265) and VP9 are though.  High bitrate streams are literally just brute forcing quality, sacrificing a massive amount efficiency to reduce macroblocking artifacts.  

 

Peoples CPUs will/are outpacing potato internet speeds making encoding/decoding these new high efficiency codecs more likely to happen before speeds get faster, especially on mobile.

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On 7/14/2016 at 10:19 AM, -BirdiE- said:

3500Kbps is the max, which is garbage.

 

Youtube is 8000Kbps, and that's still pretty compressed for 1080p. Still a significant amount of quality loss.

lol if 8mbps streaming is too small for 1080p, it seems like you're just being a prick. They can't just stream source to everyone, the bandwidth would be ridiculous.

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On 14-7-2016 at 7:19 PM, -BirdiE- said:

3500Kbps is the max, which is garbage.

 

Youtube is 8000Kbps, and that's still pretty compressed for 1080p. Still a significant amount of quality loss.

theres good reason behind the 3500, i'm not gonna get into it here because it's a HUGE pile of math, and its 3AM xD

 

besides, with good encoding hardware 3500 is honestly plenty for 1080p30 or 900p60.

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On 7/14/2016 at 1:23 PM, The Benjamins said:

that is recommended you can stream higher then that.

Ya I was about to say that my self lol. You can push it higher if you plan on going pass 1080 and what not, but no one usual does. Just that a lot of ppl couldn't handle watching it because of weaker internet connections across the world. So basically if you weren't partnered you didn't have options on your stream for ppl to lower quality because of certain higher bitrates kickin their ass, plus flash.

 

But any who, I got to try HTML 5 on Twitch today. Seems pretty solid from my experience. I started spamming a bunch of streams open in multiple tabs and they don't hiccup and pause as much as they use to on my crappy laptop when a new page loads. So that's cool I guess. Other than that, same ol Twitch. xP

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On 7/14/2016 at 10:54 AM, -BirdiE- said:

Next, twitch offers acceptable bitrates?

 

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Seriously... the max is like 3.5Mbps right now? How about 5 for a 1080/60fps stream? We could finally get past broadcast TV quality!! xD

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1 hour ago, manikyath said:

theres good reason behind the 3500, i'm not gonna get into it here because it's a HUGE pile of math, and its 3AM xD

 

besides, with good encoding hardware 3500 is honestly plenty for 1080p30 or 900p60.

I'd love to hear the math later! :D

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