Is G-Sync/FreeSync as laggy as V-Sync?

[Webkitnote]

I'm playing a set-up, where I get 150FPS with tearing, so I enable V-Sync, 60FPS, and boy THAT'S LAGGY, are G-Sync/FreeSync as laggy, or do they battle that? Because with V-Sync I was barely able to play.

[thekeemo]

The point of gsync and vsync is to remove that lag

[Enderman]

 

are you talking about input lag or fps lag

cause gsync and freesync will only work if your fps is below your monitors refresh rate

if you are getting 150fps on your 60hz monitor, gsync and freesync wont help at all

[Webkitnote]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

 

are you talking about input lag or fps lag

cause gsync and freesync will only work if your fps is below your monitors refresh rate

if you are getting 150fps on your 60hz monitor, gsync and freesync wont help at all

Input lag. Also, this video is bad... that's really cheap to just copy-paste here the video. He tested 2 different technologies on 2 different screens. You can't compare it.

[manikyath]

i feel the "lag" you're describing is the minor stutters that happen when you vsync and every so often you dip (which is a thing) causing one frame to stay on screen for two refreshes.

 

that's what gsync/freesync can fix, but beyond that its not magical.

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, Webkitnote said:

Input lag. Also, this video is bad... that's really cheap to just copy-paste here the video. 

the entire point of making videos is to inform people

he specifically said in the past "so that when someone asks on the forum you can just post one of the videos I made to answer the question"

 

and the point was not to compare the monitor, it was to compare the different settings with vsync on and off on either technology

[Oshino Shinobu]

When you're above your refresh rate, GSync and FreeSync are effectively not doing anything. At that point, it's just normal VSync that kicks in (or not, and you'll get tearing). 

 

GSync and FreeSync are designed to sync to your monitor and GPU together, but that can't be done when the monitor is displaying at its maximum refresh rate, only the GPU can be synced to the monitor. VSync then waits until a frame has been drawn completely, using a buffer which can cause the input lag.

 

When using GSync (can't speak for FreeSync as I haven't used it) I experience no noticeable input lag. When going over the refresh rate and moving to VSync, it really depends on the game. For the most part, I don't notice any input lag increase. 

[Webkitnote]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

he specifically said in the past "so that when someone asks on the forum you can just post one of the videos I made to answer the question"

He made non-representative video. Of course he needs to wave people through it.

 

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

and the point was not to compare the monitor, it was to compare the different settings with vsync on and off on either technology

Did you see the title of the video?

[GM_Peka]

Vsync give input lag only when your fps is fully capped out at the limit of your refresh rate.

 

Gsync and Var sync also gives input lag in this exact same situation, so with gsync, it's HEAVILY advised to run an fps cap slightly bellow your refresh rate, like 140 fps cap for 144hz.

 

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, Webkitnote said:

He made non-representative video. Of course he needs to wave people through it.

 

Did you see the title of the video?

the title is not "monitor X vs monitor Y" in case you didnt notice

[Webkitnote]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

the title is not "monitor X vs monitor Y" in case you didnt notice

It says "G-Sync vs. FreeSync input lag"... on two  different monitors.

[manikyath]

3 minutes ago, Webkitnote said:

It's really cheap to get your post count high, when spamming posts that don't offer (free) help

if i cared about my post count i'd have 6 digits by now.

 

on topic: i skimmed trough the video real quick, it is comparing freesync/gsync to vsync, and to each other. if you're describing input lag, this is the video to watch.

[Oshino Shinobu]

3 minutes ago, Webkitnote said:

It says "G-Sync vs. FreeSync input lag"... on two  different monitors.

The monitor is not important. The technology functions the same on all monitors that use it.

[GM_Peka]

OP, you might also be interested in the upcoming Fast sync. lemme link a video.

 

 

It basically allows you to have really low input latency as well as no tearing, but you still get frame judder.

[Webkitnote]

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

if i cared about my post count i'd have 6 digits by now.

Well now you do

 

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

it is comparing freesync/gsync to vsync, and to each other.

On two different screens... good job Linus.

 

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

if you're describing input lag, this is the video to watch.

Yea, well here you prove that you're not trying to help, where in "compare G-Sync lag to FreeSync lag" do you see "is G-Sync/FreeSync as laggy"? Boy, you're really bad at pretending you're trying to help  

[Webkitnote]

1 minute ago, Pvt. 8Ball said:

OP, you might also be interested in the upcoming Fast sync. lemme link a video.

 

 

Looks cool, but still bound to Nvidia  

[GM_Peka]

2 minutes ago, Webkitnote said:

Looks cool, but still bound to Nvidia  

I don't see why AMD couldn't do the same thing tbh. But yeah, atm nvidia are the only one with this sort of frame sync. It works similar to how borderless windowed does, but without the 1 extra frame of latency windows adds when running windowed.

[manikyath]

Just now, Pvt. 8Ball said:

I don't see why AMD couldn't do the same thing tbh.

AMD would call it something else like "AMD syncing like a stone".

(someone at AMD, i'll buy your GPU if you do that.)

[GM_Peka]

TBH, regarding Linus' video, I'm of the opinion that it's pretty bad, coming from someone who really knows all the sync solutions inside out and really cares about input latency and were it comes from.

[Webkitnote]

4 minutes ago, Pvt. 8Ball said:

I don't see why AMD couldn't do the same thing tbh

We can all dream  

It will take time, just like G-Sync => FreeSync.

[Webkitnote]

2 minutes ago, Pvt. 8Ball said:

TBH, regarding Linus' video, I'm of the opinion that it's pretty bad, coming from someone who really knows all the sync solutions inside out and really cares about input latency and were it comes from.

Because it is. He uses two different monitors, you cannot compare different technologies with different monitors.

[GM_Peka]

1 minute ago, Webkitnote said:

We can all dream  

It will take time, just like G-Sync => FreeSync.

Yeah, I rememeber when AMD said Freesync would be in review's hands september 2014, I think they missed that date by almost a year or something.

[GM_Peka]

2 minutes ago, Webkitnote said:

Because it is. He uses two different monitors, you cannot compare different technologies with different monitors.

It's not that, the monitors don't really affect the latency numbers THAT much, just the scenarios tested and the information given out wasn't very good. I know Linus' videos are usually meant to be basic, usually they are pretty good for what they are, this videos however was bad IMO.

[Webkitnote]

1 minute ago, Pvt. 8Ball said:

It's not that, the monitors don't really affect the latency numbers THAT much.

Yes, but would make more sense in my opinion. Even then, it's not like it answers question anyhow.

[GM_Peka]

3 minutes ago, Webkitnote said:

Yes, but would make more sense in my opinion. Even then, it's not like it answers question anyhow.

Yeah, we need to just put that video aside.

 

Gsync and Freesync basically have zero lag as long as you stay bellow the refresh rate (so employ an fps capper etc).

 

It's also worth noting, just going to 144hz alone makes tearing and frame judder ALOT less noticeable.