High Tier PSU but which one?

[GER_T4IGA]

I will buy a new PSU alongside an upgrade to my GPu to a GTX 1080.

I looked at these units and my main question is: Does the "performance" justifiy their price premiums over one another?

• XFX XTR
• Seasonic G series and X series
• EVGA G2 series
• Corsair RMx series

in the 600-700W range.

I have an i7 3770k overclocked and I am going to overlcock the GTX 1080 aswell.

Do you have an expericen if one of those is quieter than another one? I am well aware that EVGA has the best support and I defintely consider that as a plus when chosing between these. but do the acctually perform different noise and power wise?

[don_svetlio]

SeaSonic X-series are the best out of those

[don_svetlio]

On a side note, EVGA G2 have an issue with voltages during brownouts so I'd avoid those

[l__T__l]

Seasonic X series would be best. The EVGA G2 650w (I believe) and every other unit is assumed to have an issue when during a brownout the PSU waits until the voltages are unsafely low before shutting down your computer. If brownouts happen where you live I would avoid the G2 line. From what I've heard the P2 and T2 line are fine. I would get the 650w P2.

[GER_T4IGA]

59 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

On a side note, EVGA G2 have an issue with voltages during brownouts so I'd avoid those

 

40 minutes ago, l__T__l said:

brownout

What is that?

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

1 hour ago, GER_T4IGA said:

 

What is that?

 

When power delivered to your residency is broken up and shitty. 

 

2 hours ago, l__T__l said:

Seasonic X series would be best. The EVGA G2 650w (I believe) and every other unit is assumed to have an issue when during a brownout the PSU waits until the voltages are unsafely low before shutting down your computer. If brownouts happen where you live I would avoid the G2 line. From what I've heard the P2 and T2 line are fine. I would get the 650w P2.

However, the P2, if it were to suffer from the same problem, is just a Platinum rated G2 so I'd imagine it would have the same problem. I've said it before, however (and don't quote me on this) but I do believe it's JUST the original Super Flower Leadex that the G2 is based on, and not the G2 which is improved in a few ways, that suffers from this problem.

 

Nonetheless, my favorite PSU is the Corsair RMi (RMx with a better fan, Corsair Link Support and one more thing that @quan289will remember, I'm sure) and I can recommend it. The options you listed are all very good, however, and none would be a bad choice.

[Wydz]

I will be picking up a X Series 850 when i get my 2x 1070, so i will agree with everyone in here saying Seasonic X

[l__T__l]

5 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

When power delivered to your residency is broken up and shitty. 

 

However, the P2, if it were to suffer from the same problem, is just a Platinum rated G2 so I'd imagine it would have the same problem. I've said it before, however (and don't quote me on this) but I do believe it's JUST the original Super Flower Leadex that the G2 is based on, and not the G2 which is improved in a few ways, that suffers from this problem.

 

Nonetheless, my favorite PSU is the Corsair RMi (RMx with a better fan, Corsair Link Support and one more thing that @quan289will remember, I'm sure) and I can recommend it. The options you listed are all very good, however, and none would be a bad choice.

The brownout issue is something EVGA did optionally so they may have changed it in other lines. OP it's something worth reading up on if you want to get a G2/P2 unit.

 

the RMx and RMi are not bad PSUs, they're just overpriced compared what you can get from elsewhere.

[PlayStation 2]

Here, Seasonic X series > Corsair RMx > XFX XTR > Seasonic G series > EVGA G2.

Personally, I'd go for a Corsair RMx simply based on noise levels and looks, as I far prefer the looks of the RMx over anything else here.

[STRMfrmXMN]

32 minutes ago, l__T__l said:

The brownout issue is something EVGA did optionally so they may have changed it in other lines. OP it's something worth reading up on if you want to get a G2/P2 unit.

 

the RMx and RMi are not bad PSUs, they're just overpriced compared what you can get from elsewhere.

No, the issue has only been documented with the original Super Flower, not the G2. The G2 has different internals despite being a rebrand which is why I don't think it has that issue.

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, l__T__l said:

 

 

the RMx and RMi are not bad PSUs, they're just overpriced compared what you can get from elsewhere.

The RMx and RMi are excellent psu's. Not sure on pricing in the USA but in the UK the RMx is on par price wise with the EVGA G2/SuperFlower Leadex and the RMi is usually around £10 more. 

[l__T__l]

11 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

No, the issue has only been documented with the original Super Flower, not the G2. The G2 has different internals despite being a rebrand which is why I don't think it has that issue.

Oh. Well at least one party is giving out mis-information then. Your probably more qualified to speak on this than me as I just read through a reddit post describing the issue or something a couple of weeks ago.

[l__T__l]

10 hours ago, lee32uk said:

The RMx and RMi are excellent psu's. Not sure on pricing in the USA but in the UK the RMx is on par price wise with the EVGA G2/SuperFlower Leadex and the RMi is usually around £10 more. 

Same here. $20 AUD difference which is about £10. Not worth it IMO. Paying an extra 10% for nothing.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, l__T__l said:

Same here. $20 AUD difference which is about £10. Not worth it IMO. Paying an extra 10% for nothing.

It won't be worth it to everyone, but if you are going for a silent build then the RMi has the better fan. You also get the Corsair link software which allows you to monitor various things, as well as the ability to switch between single and multi rail. You can also set a fan curve AFAIK.

[l__T__l]

19 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

It won't be worth it to everyone, but if you are going for a silent build then the RMi has the better fan. You also get the Corsair link software which allows you to monitor various things, as well as the ability to switch between single and multi rail. You can also set a fan curve AFAIK.

The custom fan curve does seem like a good feature but the link software seems to be comprised of mainly useless features

for a PSU. The increase in fan quality, if it actually exists, probably makes a very minimal difference..

[quan289]

2 hours ago, l__T__l said:

The custom fan curve does seem like a good feature but the link software seems to be comprised of mainly useless features

for a PSU. The increase in fan quality, if it actually exists, probably makes a very minimal difference..

 

The increase in price will depends on the person who is buying. If you just looking for something to power your system, then the RMx is still an excellent choice.

 

Anyways, here's the advantages of the RMi. You decide whether or not it is worth it based on the cost in your region

 

FDB fan in the RMi will provide better longevity than the rifle bearing fan in the RMx. But since they both have a 10 year warranty, I don't find it to be too much of an issue.

 

Monitoring AC input. Many people would buy a power meter like the Kill-A-Watt to do this which can cost around $20 USD. While you can argue the fact that you can used a KAW to monitor other appliances, this feature is still a price adder.

 

Monitor DC output. This will tell them how much the computer actually drawing within a particular application and setting, which in turn can help them determine how much overclocking overhead and upgradability they have. You need an DC Clamp meter for this which isn't cheap.

 

Monitoring the +12V, 5V, and 3.3V voltages and output in amps. Software monitor like HWMonitor are often so inaccurate that they aren't useful. You can say that the BIOS is better, but even then there's no load and as such, you need to used a Multimeter (to monitor the voltages).

 

Ability to switch between single rail and multi-rail. If you are overclocking your system balls to the wall, having it as a single rail unit may be helpful so they don't prematurely shut off the system; however, if you are the type of person who do things in moderation, keeping it in multi-rail mode can add an extra layer of protection. This is why Corsair took the initiative to make the AXi, as well as any other new PSU with the ability to do so, multi-rail as default.

 

Fan test switch. There have been a few occasion that some people think their PSU fan is dead because it just won't start up, but in actuality, the internal temperature wasn't high enough to have it spin up in the first place (TBH, I wished this had came with the RMx by default...)

[l__T__l]

19 minutes ago, quan289 said:

 

The increase in price will depends on the person who is buying. If you just looking for something to power your system, then the RMx is still an excellent PSU.

 

Anyways, here's the advantages of the RMi.

 

FDB fan in the RMi will provide better longevity than the rifle bearing fan in the RMx. But since they both have a 10 year warranty, I don't find it to be too much of an issue.

 

Monitoring AC input. Many people would buy a power meter like the Kill-A-Watt to do this which can cost around $20 USD. While you can argue the fact that you can used a KAW to monitor other appliances, this feature is still a price adder.

 

Monitor DC output. This will tell them how much the computer actually drawing within a particular application and setting, which in turn can help them determine how much overclocking overhead and upgradability they have. You need an DC Clamp meter for this which isn't cheap.

 

Monitoring the +12V, 5V, and 3.3V voltages and output in amps. Software monitor like HWMonitor are often so inaccurate that they aren't useful. You can say that the BIOS is better, but even then there's no load and as such, you need to used a Multimeter (to monitor the voltages).

 

Ability to switch between single rail and multi-rail. If you are overclocking your system balls to the wall, having it as a single rail unit may be helpful so they don't prematurely shut off the system; however, if you are the type of person who do things in moderation, keeping it in multi-rail mode can add an extra layer of protection. This is why Corsair took the initiative to make the AXi, as well as any other new PSU with the ability to do so, multi-rail as default.

 

Fan test switch. There have been a few occasion that some people think their PSU fan is dead because it just won't start up, but in actuality, the internal temperature wasn't high enough to have it spin up in the first place (TBH, I wished this had came with the RMx by default...)

They are there but don't have much use in the real world, some might find them interesting to look at but only extreme overclockers will actually get a tangible benefit from them. Everyone else will just have some statistics to look at. The switch is useful but other lower priced PSUs include a tester that plugs into the 24pin which is a more useful accessory in my opinion. 

 

Im sure the features are worth it to some people but the vast majority wouldn't care or get no use for them. 

 

Im not saying it's a bad PSU, they are one of the best PSUs and both the RMi and RMx were given straight tens from johnnyguru. I just don't think that the added features are worth $20 to anyone but an extreme overclocker who would probably have dedicated tools anyways. 

 

And the RMx does have an upgraded fan, not worth $20 but again a nice thing to have that will only benefit the minority of people, in this case those that can hear the difference between a couple decibels and think that's worth another $20.

[The_Denks]

On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 6:11 AM, GER_T4IGA said:

I will buy a new PSU alongside an upgrade to my GPu to a GTX 1080.

I looked at these units and my main question is: Does the "performance" justifiy their price premiums over one another?

• XFX XTR
• Seasonic G series and X series
• EVGA G2 series
• Corsair RMx series

in the 600-700W range.

I have an i7 3770k overclocked and I am going to overlcock the GTX 1080 aswell.

Do you have an expericen if one of those is quieter than another one? I am well aware that EVGA has the best support and I defintely consider that as a plus when chosing between these. but do the acctually perform different noise and power wise?

Get a REFURB AX760 from Newegg. I got one for $85 with a 10% off code. 80% Platinum full modular

[ybriK]

XFX or Seasonic are the best, well technically XFX is just rebranded seasonic PSU's.

[DXMember]

out of those listed:

 

XFX XTR - Tier Two

Seasonic G series - Tier Two

Seasonic X series - Tier One

EVGA G2 series - Tier One

Corsair RMx series - Tier One

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

 

I'd personally go for Seasonic X though

[Guest]

1 minute ago, DXMember said:

out of those listed:

 

XFX XTR - Tier Two

Seasonic G series - Tier Two

Seasonic X series - Tier One

EVGA G2 series - Tier One

Corsair RMx series - Tier Two

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

 

I'd personally go for Seasonic X though

I think you have your wires crossed somewhat. The Corsair RMx is as good as the EVGA G2 and Seasonic X. The older RM is not as good.

 

 

[DXMember]

1 minute ago, lee32uk said:

I think you have your wires crossed somewhat. The Corsair RMx is as good as the EVGA G2 and Seasonic X. The older RM is not as good.

 

 

you're wright,

I'll edit me poste

[quan289]

2 hours ago, l__T__l said:

Spoiler

 

They are there but don't have much use in the real world, some might find them interesting to look at but only extreme overclockers will actually get a tangible benefit from them. Everyone else will just have some statistics to look at. The switch is useful but other lower priced PSUs include a tester that plugs into the 24pin which is a more useful accessory in my opinion. 

 

Im sure the features are worth it to some people but the vast majority wouldn't care or get no use for them. 

 

Im not saying it's a bad PSU, they are one of the best PSUs and both the RMi and RMx were given straight tens from johnnyguru. I just don't think that the added features are worth $20 to anyone but an extreme overclocker who would probably have dedicated tools anyways. 

 

And the RMx does have an upgraded fan, not worth $20 but again a nice thing to have that will only benefit the minority of people, in this case those that can hear the difference between a couple decibels and think that's worth another $20.

 

 

It's something that is helpful when you need it.  Like using the data set to determine possible upgrades or seeing if the voltages is at an acceptable range when diagnosing a problem if they don't have a hand on a DMM. But like you have said, those are situational and most people would only look at that data once right after installation anyways. However, I do find that it being a multi-rail unit by default warrant a price increase (again, how much will depends on price and availability at that time and place). The benefit from it is still situational, but when you do need it (this is true for anybody), a SR can exacerbate a problem like this, while a MR will shut the PSU off before more damages take place.

 

As for the 24-pin tester, I'm assuming you are talking about the connector that short the PS_ON and ground wire together, correct? If so, I find that the fan switch to be a little more useful than that tester, as if my PSU is shutting off because the Over Temperature Protection is setting off, I would like to know if the fan is actually working, while a paper clip can replace that tester.

 

Within some regions and time, I've seen the prices difference between the RMi and RMx can be only $10, btw. This is the case with the 650w models in the AU (then again, Corsair, as a whole, seem to be a bit more inflated there).