America, take a good look at your beloved candidates!

[Misanthrope]

Nothing but hideous reptiles indeed. So you're going for the racist reptile or the aristocracy reptile?

 

 

[Castdeath97]

Rephrasing a comment in that video: independent voting being useless is a self fulfilling prophecy, they say its useless because only few vote for independent candidates, so very few do! (credits to broken monkey)

[Misanthrope]

I'd say is useless because of how many people actually and legitimately support Trump and Hillary.

[VerticalDiscussions]

I cant vote, so ill throw my away :D! Because i dont live there, duh... 

[Okjoek]

Pretty much what Misanthrope said. I wanted Bernie Sanders, but Hillary is winning for reasons be it because people fear the word socialism like the boogieman or simply because people recognize her name for a long time (probably because of all her scandals).

[beebskadoo]

Admittedly Hillary is a much better choice over Dolan Drumpf, but still not what our country needs.

Getting money out of politics should be a large priority for a candidate at this stage in the game but neither want that, that's why Bernie was my dude.

I will vote for Clinton before I voted for Dolan, but not without cringing as I fill in the box.

[terrytek]

this whole election makes me gag so hard and make me wanna leave america. this is no country fit for either of those two fuckbags. i hate america. i hate trump. i hate clinton. fuck america. neither of them ain't gonna make america again.

[Real_PhillBert]

Lol, Guess how I know you aren't really paying attention to this election cycle?

 

After last nights primaries, (Trumps defeat in Ohio) Trump HAS to secure 53% of the remaining delegates in order to secure the Republican nomination. If he is not successful, there will be open nominations at a brokered convention. Hint, there is no way in hell the republican establishment would allow Trump to secure the nomination if they are allowed to have a say. 

 

Boehner endorsed Paul Ryan this morning for a potential runner in a brokered convention. 

[terrytek]

Just now, Real_PhillBert said:

Lol, Guess how I know you aren't really paying attention to this election cycle?

 

After last nights primaries, (Trumps defeat in Ohio) Trump HAS to secure 51% of the remaining delegates in order to secure the Republican nomination. If he is not successful, there will be open nominations at a brokered convention. Hint, there is no way in hell the republican establishment would allow Trump to secure the nomination if they are allowed to have a say. 

 

Boehner endorsed Paul Ryan this morning for a potential runner in a brokered convention. 

so would that mean it would mean the same thing on the democratic side? because i seriously doubt the delegates would want Clinton to be president.

[Real_PhillBert]

1 minute ago, terrytek said:

so would that mean it would mean the same thing on the democratic side? because i seriously doubt the delegates would want Clinton to be president.

Hillary is in the lead (as of now, 1599 to 844) by a very large margin. It's still a pretty safe bet that Hillary will get the Democratic nomination, but It's not as safe to assume Trump will get the Republican nomination as it was looking a few weeks ago. 

[dalekphalm]

2 hours ago, Okjoek said:

Pretty much what Misanthrope said. I wanted Bernie Sanders, but Hillary is winning for reasons be it because people fear the word socialism like the boogieman or simply because people recognize her name for a long time (probably because of all her scandals).

The problem with Bernie, is that even if he was nominated for the Dems, and even if he won the election and became President - he would be an impotent President.

 

You think Obama had it bad with the Republican Congress blocking him? Bernie would be blocked at every possible opportunity. He's been trying - and failing - to get his ideas implemented into law for decades. He's put forth something like 87 failed bills (Which are the basis of much of his presidential platform).

 

While I would love it if Bernie got elected, and was able to implement the changes he wants (Be more like Canada and Europe - in the good ways!), it just wouldn't happen unless there was ALSO a major shift in Congress - something I don't see happening anytime soon. Congress would stall his every move.

 

I honestly think Bernie would be a better choice than Hilary, but Hilary would at least be able to get things passed through the government, because her ideas aren't SO radical to the rest of the country. If Bernie got elected and could pass things through Congress, then I'd fully support him.

[Misanthrope]

True, yet Hillary is the most extreme given she has no stances (flops on everything) and no scruples at all and would basically turn everything into a corporate dictatorship, even more so.

[beebskadoo]

1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

The problem with Bernie, is that even if he was nominated for the Dems, and even if he won the election and became President - he would be an impotent President.

 

You think Obama had it bad with the Republican Congress blocking him? Bernie would be blocked at every possible opportunity. He's been trying - and failing - to get his ideas implemented into law for decades. He's put forth something like 87 failed bills (Which are the basis of much of his presidential platform).

 

While I would love it if Bernie got elected, and was able to implement the changes he wants (Be more like Canada and Europe - in the good ways!), it just wouldn't happen unless there was ALSO a major shift in Congress - something I don't see happening anytime soon. Congress would stall his every move.

 

I honestly think Bernie would be a better choice than Hilary, but Hilary would at least be able to get things passed through the government, because her ideas aren't SO radical to the rest of the country. If Bernie got elected and could pass things through Congress, then I'd fully support him.

My issue with Hillary is the amount of flip flopping that she has done over the years. Is she for marriage equality or against it? Did she support the war in iraq or didn't she? is she for single payer healthcare or is she against it? is she for government spying or against it? The answer to all of these questions is both. I understand people change their opinions over the years but to flip flop when it best suits your audience and the people you are pandering to shows no backbone and bad character. People say that she is good at crossing the party lines and working with republicans on issues but what that really means is she picks a side when it best suits the situation. She doesn't stand for anything but herself and it makes me sick. 

Some may think that Bernie isn't electable because he doesn't play nice with his party or with a lot of people in office. I say he is electable because settling for second best in this election is settling for absolute garbage. We shouldn't decide on a candidate because they're flexible, we should decide on them because their ideals line up with ours. Politics isn't about pandering to everyone and picking someone that is friendly to the establishment, it's about making real tangible change! In an alternate universe, if it came down to both Bernie and Hillary on the dem ticket, even if Bernie had zero chance of winning I couldn't consciously vote for Hillary.

 

Bottom line: Hillary gets elected = Money still in politics, the average voter has no voice.

[SeriouslyMikey]

Over the pond, I'm routing for Bernie. 

 

[dalekphalm]

2 minutes ago, beebskadoo said:

My issue with Hillary is the amount of flip flopping that she has done over the years. Is she for marriage equality or against it? Did she support the war in iraq or didn't she? is she for single payer healthcare or is she against it? is she for government spying or against it? The answer to all of these questions is both. I understand people change their opinions over the years but to flip flop when it best suits your audience and the people you are pandering to shows no backbone and bad character. People say that she is good at crossing the party lines and working with republicans on issues but what that really means is she picks a side when it best suits the situation. She doesn't stand for anything but herself and it makes me sick. 

Some may think that Bernie isn't electable because he doesn't play nice with his party or with a lot of people in office. I say he is electable because settling for second best in this election is settling for absolute garbage. We shouldn't decide on a candidate because they're flexible, we should decide on them because their ideals line up with ours. Politics isn't about pandering to everyone and picking someone that is friendly to the establishment, it's about making real tangible change! In an alternate universe, if it came down to both Bernie and Hillary on the dem ticket, even if Bernie had zero chance of winning I couldn't consciously vote for Hillary.

 

Bottom line: Hillary gets elected = Money still in politics, the average voter has no voice.

I agree with your sentiment. But I'm also pragmatic. Let's say Bernie does get elected President of the United States.

 

What can he actually accomplish, with Congress as it is today? Certainly, he can issue Executive Orders, but there are pretty serious and defined limits to that particular power.

[SuperCookie78]

2 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

The problem with Bernie, is that even if he was nominated for the Dems, and even if he won the election and became President - he would be an impotent President.

 

You think Obama had it bad with the Republican Congress blocking him? Bernie would be blocked at every possible opportunity. He's been trying - and failing - to get his ideas implemented into law for decades. He's put forth something like 87 failed bills (Which are the basis of much of his presidential platform).

 

While I would love it if Bernie got elected, and was able to implement the changes he wants (Be more like Canada and Europe - in the good ways!), it just wouldn't happen unless there was ALSO a major shift in Congress - something I don't see happening anytime soon. Congress would stall his every move.

 

I honestly think Bernie would be a better choice than Hilary, but Hilary would at least be able to get things passed through the government, because her ideas aren't SO radical to the rest of the country. If Bernie got elected and could pass things through Congress, then I'd fully support him.

If democrats are in control of the house and senate in the future then things will get done. 

[stconquest]

23 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

I agree with your sentiment. But I'm also pragmatic. Let's say Bernie does get elected President of the United States.

 

What can he actually accomplish, with Congress as it is today? Certainly, he can issue Executive Orders, but there are pretty serious and defined limits to that particular power.

He would start with the whole "money is speech" bullshit.  I mean what kind of supreme court would pass that.

[techswede]

All i know is that if trump gets elected.. I'm building a bomb shelter..

The bipedal arsehole and dobby the house elf getting along is about as likely as me growing a third cock

[vanished]

I don't know why this is taking so long... didn't this process start last year?  When I heard the election was only in november of this year I was so confused.  When we need to have an election, they campaign for a few months, we vote, and it's done.  You guys... taking 3 years or whatever it is and all these nominations and primaries and whatever else... I have no idea what it going on  

[dalekphalm]

47 minutes ago, SuperCookie78 said:

If democrats are in control of the house and senate in the future then things will get done. 

That's a lot of "if's". That's basically saying "If everything I ever wanted goes my way".

 

You cannot count on a huge shift in the house and senate. Sure, it would be nice, and if by some miracle, all of that happens, plus Bernie gets elected, then fuck yeah.

But I don't see it happening.

8 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

I don't know why this is taking so long... didn't this process start last year?  When I heard the election was only in november of this year I was so confused.  When we need to have an election, they campaign for a few months, we vote, and it's done.  You guys... taking 3 years or whatever it is and all these nominations and primaries and whatever else... I have no idea what it going on  

The American Presidential Election system takes like a year+ to happen. Most of the election takes place in the form of the Primaries, where the Dems and Reps elect the person who will actually run for President. That process takes almost a year, plus however long a candidate will campaign for before elections start.

[Kobathor]

5 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

I'd say is useless because of how many people actually and legitimately support Trump and Hillary.

I don't know who I'd be more "okay" with winning: the maniac, the socialist, or the D Trump

 poor USA

If democrats are in control of the house and senate in the future then things will get done. 

like Obamacare

kek

[dalekphalm]

4 minutes ago, Kobathor said:

I don't know who I'd be more "okay" with winning: the maniac, the socialist, or the D Trump

 poor USA

like Obamacare

kek

If the Dems were in control of the House and Senate, then "Obamacare", or the Affordable Care Act, would have gotten through without the Reps gutting loads of it. The US would have been that much closer to a Single Payer type system.

 

Being that I'm not particularly conservative, I would much rather Clinton or Sanders win, even if Sanders wouldn't be able to do much. I'd much rather have one of the traditional conservatives win the Rep nomination, because they aren't straight up racist insane asshole bigots (Some of them are those things, but not all combined).

[Kobathor]

3 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

If the Dems were in control of the House and Senate, then "Obamacare", or the Affordable Care Act, would have gotten through without the Reps gutting loads of it. The US would have been that much closer to a Single Payer type system.

 

Being that I'm not particularly conservative, I would much rather Clinton or Sanders win, even if Sanders wouldn't be able to do much. I'd much rather have one of the traditional conservatives win the Rep nomination, because they aren't straight up racist insane asshole bigots (Some of them are those things, but not all combined).

So you'd rather the woman that's broken countless laws and should be in jail get president of the US? Wow.. Do you have a vendetta against Trump? Or the socialist maniac that wants the US to be EU 2.0? I'd rather not. I'm sure Bernie would make "the affordable care act" even worse, tax us even more, THEN kill our economy, all before 4 years is over. I'm not the only person that thinks that, just look at the primaries, he's losing in all but a few states, which is good. Trump keeps winning because he's fighting two other people, which are easy to beat. Hillary is winning because.. I have no idea.

[DevilishBooster]

I still can't believe that someone that is currently under criminal investigation is even allowed to run for cadidacy. This country is so fucked up right now, and I'm genuinely concerned for the future.

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, Kobathor said:

So you'd rather the woman that's broken countless laws and should be in jail get president of the US? Wow.. Do you have a vendetta against Trump? Or the socialist maniac that wants the US to be EU 2.0? I'd rather not. I'm sure Bernie would make "the affordable care act" even worse, tax us even more, THEN kill our economy, all before 4 years is over. I'm not the only person that thinks that, just look at the primaries, he's losing in all but a few states, which is good. Trump keeps winning because he's fighting two other people, which are easy to beat. Hillary is winning because.. I have no idea.

Trump is fucking scary. I would be terrified if he became President. My only hope is that the President has somewhat limited powers, and could be kept in check by Congress (Which, I think, the Reps would keep him from doing the worst, since they'll be thinking long term).

 

Trump is winning because he's playing on people's fear, he's using fear and manipulation to froth people into a frenzy. He's also winning because right leaning people are (and I don't blame them) fed up with the GOP and their ineffectiveness and incoherence.

 

Hilary is winning because she's the "obvious" choice - Sanders is her only competition, and people feel like he's too far reaching with his ideals - he's essentially the equivalent of voting Green Party in Canada - hey, it's a nice thought, but they never even come close to winning the election.

 

Sanders ideas, however, could save America. The Affordable Care Act is good for most Americans - yes, there's the occasional American that pays more than they used to, but by far, more Americans are insured then before, and most are paying the same or less as before.

 

Furthermore, if the ACA was able to be put through as originally intended, then most/all of those people who pay more WOULDN'T. The Reps blocked so many parts of the ACA it's not even funny. Obama had to compromise a lot to get it passed.

 

Sanders is looking at the best parts of the EU. He's not trying to make America into EU 2.0, he's trying to make America even better. Take the best parts of America and the EU and put them together.

 

Also, this is something that many Americans find hard to digest: Taxes aren't a bad thing. You know what Low Taxes actually means? You pay upfront for more. America spends more on Healthcare per capita (meaning, per person), then most countries that provide a Single Payer system (Meaning, the government pays for your healthcare for you).

 

That's an incredibly broken and wasteful system. Your entire Healthcare system needs a makeover, top to bottom. And turning into a Single Payer - Gov't funded - system, is the right way to start. Healthcare should be a fundamental right in America, yet for some reason it isn't.

 

I wish Sanders actually had a chance, and that the House and Senate would cooperate. But I don't believe this to be the case. So in that regard, yes, I would rather Clinton get in a million times over Trump, that psychopath.