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AMD's quarterly earnings report - operating loss of 49 million and net loss of 102 million USD

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source: http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2130467

 

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SUNNYVALE, CA -- (Marketwired) -- 01/19/16 -- AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) today announced revenue for the fourth quarter of 2015 of $958 million, operating loss of $49 million and net loss of $102 million, or $0.13 per share. Non-GAAP(1) operating loss was $39 million, non-GAAP(1) net loss was $79 million and non-GAAP(1) loss per share was $0.10.

 

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Q4 2015 - Revenue of $958 million, down 10 percent sequentially primarily driven by seasonally lower sales of semi-custom SoCs and down 23 percent year-over-year, primarily due to lower client processor sales

 

2015 annual results - Revenue of $3.99 billion, down 28 percent year-over-year, primarily due to lower client processor sales.

 

AMD reports that computing and graphics sector saw a 11% increase quarter-to-quarter but a 29% decrease year-to-year - the increase was due to higher notebook sales but the year decrease was caused by lower client sales

GPU revenue increased quarterly and yearly due to a higher AIB channel average selling price

semi-custom SoCs saw a decrease due to lower sales and lower game console royalties

 

 

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Let's hope for the best for AMD for the sake of all gamers around the world.

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Another reminder Arctic Islands/Zen better kick some @ss to the point where everyone but die-hard fanboys at least seriously considers them.

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Another reminder Arctic Islands/Zen better kick some @ss to the point where everyone but die-hard fanboys at least seriously considers them.

Well yeah, zen is make or break, honestly the gpu market is lower volume (thus less dire) but they can't afford a loss there either,.

 

I'm surprised they are still in the red (no pun intd) they seemed to be doing well on the gpu side, maybe to little to lake to get back in the black?

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Another reminder Arctic Islands/Zen better kick some @ss to the point where everyone but die-hard fanboys at least seriously considers them.

they'll do fine but what i'm worried about is the generation after that.

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oh boy ... where should I start

You shouldn't.

Another Zmuel post about AMD failing. This was both predicted and expected, AMD have been getting spanked pretty much everywhere for years now.

Let's wait for Zen & Arctic Islands and the 2017 yearly report before we write AMD off shall we.

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Well yeah, zen is make or break, honestly the gpu market is lower volume (thus less dire) but they can't afford a loss there either,.

 

I'm surprised they are still in the red (no pun intd) they seemed to be doing well on the gpu side, maybe to little to lake to get back in the black?

Nvidia still beat them in sales while they were doing well.

 

Fury X was a flop. Nano overpriced on launch only now good. And you can't make that much profit selling cheap cards. 

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Buying an R9 390 later today, similar to better performance than the 970 in Fallout/witcher. I wish AMD got more social recognition, all I see online is Nvidia branding plastered everywhere, they probably sell 10+ 970s for every one R9 390.

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Damn, that sucks. They really need to hike prices if they want to stay afloat.

 

No, that's absolutely the worst thing they can do. It would even further diminish consumer credibility and mark their end. 

 

Best what they can do is overprice shit and market the hell out of it. But, I won't allow them to do that sadly.

 

 

Buying an R9 390 later today, similar to better performance than the 970 in Fallout/witcher. I wish AMD got more social recognition, all I see online is Nvidia branding plastered everywhere, they probably sell 10+ 970s for every one R9 390.

 
Actually AMD cards perform terribly in Fallout4 and Witcher3. Those are literally the worst games out of the lineup of you're comparing AMD vs. Nvidia.
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And I bet we're still gonna get more APUs for a while.

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This isn't very surprising but still sad. AMD spends a lot of money for R&D to make high tech products for us gamers/professionals while that market is still dominated by Intel and Nvidia. However, in the low end market where they used to dominate, Intel is stepping up their game with very cheap chips and since Intel has a better name overall, manufacturers are buying more low end Intel chips vs. AMD.

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This isn't very surprising but still sad. AMD spends a lot of money for R&D to make high tech products for us gamers/professionals while that market is still dominated by Intel and Nvidia. However, in the low end market where they used to dominate, Intel is stepping up their game with very cheap chips and since Intel has a better name overall, manufacturers are buying more low end Intel chips vs. AMD.

 

You don't "dominate" in the budget area. You don't even want to be in there, this is where you dump your stock. You make your profit on the high-marging high-end market. It's because they have been in that lower part of the market for so long, and only there, that their brand has been dubbed "cheap alternative". And they lack the margins of the high-end market to put into newer/better products.

 

But they can't get out of that pit because they have terrible marketing, and they're salty as hell on their social media platforms. And lashing out to other companies as if it's somehow their fault they're succesful and they are not.

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Kind of a shame really... The market NEEDS AMD to compete with Nvidia, otherwise the price of graphics processing will skyrocket.

Competition is good, and I hope they can come out with a product that reverses this trend.

 

This from someone who hasn't owned an AMD (ATI, really) graphics card in over 10 years.

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Actually AMD cards perform terribly in Fallout4 and Witcher3. Those are literally the worst games out of the lineup of you're comparing AMD vs. Nvidia.

 

I'm pretty sure that if my 560 can run Fallout 4 and Witcher 3 decently so can AMD cards.

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That's because it is a game that uses Nvidia's sw and takes advantage of the technology that benefits their cards over AMD's.

 

Doesn't help they are two very large title's that a lot of people play and praise, and it also doesn't change the fact they perform terribly in said games (regardless of the reason). Not debating why tbh, not in this topic.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that if my 560 can run Fallout 4 and Witcher 3 decently so can AMD cards.

 
It's not the strength of the individual hardware what's the problem, it's their driver. 380 actually performs worse than a 950 for example. Even DigitalFoundry confirmed this.
 
But again, it's their marketing which sucks. They should be well capable of negating autists like me on the internet and sell their products anyway. Eventhough they're objectively worse. They need to stop selling their lineup for bottom prices.
 
People are still very subjective about their purchases. And feel like something should cost something.
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To bad if AMD goes broke Intel and Nvidia will get into problems legally if Intel have 80% of the CPU market they may have to split their company into two or maybe give 40% to AMD... :P (source a smart guy I know)

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...not good. Not good at all.

 

Makes me want to ignore my 3 year gpu upgrade cycle.

Because giving a Multi-million dollar company less than 300$ in profit will have a notable impact on minimizing their losses...

 

I'm not Worried about the GPU front. They'll have a buy out if worse comes to worse. The CPU side however is a sinking ship. If Zen flops (from what we know right now we can assume it will either

A. Won't be very profitable for AMD (Claiming to have budget 8 cores with Haswell IPC)

B. Won't perform very well (~Haswell IPC already behind)

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You don't "dominate" in the budget area. You don't even want to be in there, this is where you dump your stock. You make your profit on the high-marging high-end market. It's because they have been in that lower part of the market for so long, and only there, that their brand has been dubbed "cheap alternative". And they lack the margins of the high-end market to put into newer/better products.

 

But they can't get out of that pit because they have terrible marketing, and they're salty as hell on their social media platforms. And lashing out to other companies as if it's somehow their fault they're succesful and they are not.

You're right. But every company will take any opportunity to capitalize if there's a market. Nvidia and Intel which are AMD's biggest rivals both have a large presence in the budget market.  You're right that AMD's marketing is complete trash. Their best move was forming Radeon technologies to sort of differentiate the dying CPU business and their much more hopeful GPU business. But most of their marketing like the Team Red bs is terrible.

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Actually AMD cards perform terribly in Fallout4 and Witcher3. Those are literally the worst games out of the lineup of you're comparing AMD vs. Nvidia.

 

Eh, from what I've seen, there are workarounds to make it even, with editing the .ini. Not ideal for sure, but possible.

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You're right. But every company will take any opportunity to capitalize if there's a market. Nvidia and Intel which are AMD's biggest rivals both have a large presence in the budget market.  You're right that AMD's marketing is complete trash. Their best move was forming Radeon technologies to sort of differentiate the dying CPU business and their much more hopeful GPU business. But most of their marketing like the Team Red bs is terrible.

 

But even on their high-end market, they're selling bigger chips (phsyical size of the die) for considerably less money. Meaning slim margins (less yields from wafers), even on the high-end side. And budget sector is really where you dump your stock (low-yields etc) and split even. There is absolutely no margin on those products.

 

And yeah, their marketing is terrible and super SUPER salty. That 4GB means 4GB crap their PR person "rob" pulled was just absolutely cringeworthy. I have no respect for a company which does this or doesn't immediatly order their employees to take it down. It wasn't even funny, it was just...base.

 

It wasn't like Pepsi and Coca-Cola that always make fun of each-other on twitter. They have intelligent and savvy PR people making jokes for them. These are just salty employees.

 

AMD trying to reach gamers feels like;

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Nvidia still beat them in sales while they were doing well.

 

Fury X was a flop. Nano overpriced on launch only now good. And you can't make that much profit selling cheap cards. 

you do realize that the BULK of cards being sold, where 90%+ of the money lies is the in 960/380/970/390???

 

those are the cards "average joe" buys. Those are the cards you REALLY need to sell a lot of.

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I dont see all the doom and gloom. Net loss quarter over quarter is down. lowest it has been in a while. I see AMD returning to profitability. But this is Linus tech forum and I expect the worst from it's constituents

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