AMD have begun shipping Polaris GPUs - 2 different Polaris chips and 4 different GPUs spotted

[afyeung]

Lol. Since you already "know" the Fury X will beat the Ti, i suppose you already have the proof to give me then. I'm not going to take your word for it. I want to see these "facts." I'll be waiting....

Fury X doesn't beat the 980Ti in Dx11 games most of the time. There is no reason for it to. The Fury X has such a low clock while the 980ti clocks to the moon. And the memory bus is useless in dx11. That's why Nvidia cards have a much smaller bus but perform well. 

[afyeung]

That being said. Who knows how Fury X will do in the future. Look at the 780ti and 290x. 780ti used to crush. Now it doesn't stand a chance. But that's mainly Nvidia's fault and not Dx11 like with the Fury X. But still.

[Daegun]

Is this the cards being shipped to vendors, or is it just internal?

[ivan134]

You're right. The issue with the 390x is that it has a built in TDP limit. Unlike the 290x which could clock to the next galaxy as long as you had good cooling(LN2). The 390x reaches its TDP limit even at low voltage increases(+100mv) which is required to get any good clocks. If you read the reviews you can see that the clocks reached are in the 1150-1200 range which is only a +70- +120 increase. And the performance increase in games isn't that much anyways. I get barely any performance increase with my 390x vs. My 290 when it was overclocked to 1165. Both Overclock.net and Reviews will agree that the 390x is an unhappy card with voltage overclocks. It's very sad that the high end AMD cards are very bad overclockers.

What res are you playing at? 390x and anything higher have diminishing returns at 1080p and only stetch their legs at 1440p.

[don_svetlio]

That being said. Who knows how Fury X will do in the future. Look at the 780ti and 290x. 780ti used to crush. Now it doesn't stand a chance. But that's mainly Nvidia's fault and not Dx11 like with the Fury X. But still.

True. 680 was faster than the 7970. Then 7970 GHz Ed happened.

[Prysin]

Now lets hope Polaris whoops nvidias Ass lol, As you can tell I don't like NVIDIA. I don't like them as a company though products are good.

if Pascal doesnt support HDR, then any HDR monitor + AMD GPU will simply LOOK NOTABLY better.

 

it is that simple. the increase in color depth will be a huge difference in terms of picture quality

[byalexandr]

Lol. No. Just no. I pay as much attention as the next person yet I don't spread misinformation.

I was wondering why you're such an asshole towards AMD stuff, but I just read your Member Title.

 

I love AMD, but at least I'm honest about performance and if Nvidia makes a better card I'll admit it.

 

But the Fury X is now as fast or faster than a reference 980 Ti. The difference becomes greater with increasing resolution, as most AMD cards handle high resolutions much better than Nvidia cards.

 

AMD makes chips that have more raw performance than Nvidia, but are lacking the software department. They're still improving and the Fury X along with a lot of other chips AMD makes still have potential performance to be unlocked, unlike Nvidia.

 

Nvidia balances mediocre hardware (they cut performance for the sake of power efficiency) and good drivers.

[don_svetlio]

I was wondering why you're such an asshole towards AMD stuff, but I just read your Member Title.

 

I love AMD, but at least I'm honest about performance and if Nvidia makes a better card I'll admit it.

 

But the Fury X is now as fast or faster than a reference 980 Ti. The difference becomes greater with increasing resolution, as most AMD cards handle high resolutions much better than Nvidia cards.

 

AMD makes chips that have more raw performance than Nvidia, but are lacking the software department. They're still improving and the Fury X along with a lot of other chips AMD makes still have potential performance to be unlocked, unlike Nvidia.

 

Nvidia balances mediocre hardware (they cut performance for the sake of power efficiency) and good drivers.

Honestly, laptop users have such a bad experience with drivers (remember when mobile drivers were killing displays on Dell machines? Or causing BSODs for 860M users?) and I actually think it'as bad as AMD were in 2009/2010

[byalexandr]

Honestly, laptop users have such a bad experience with drivers (remember when mobile drivers were killing displays on Dell machines? Or causing BSODs for 860M users?) and I actually think it'as bad as AMD were in 2009/2010

Just a classic fan boy is all.

 

At least he asks for proof, but still.

[don_svetlio]

Just a classic fan boy is all.

 

At least he asks for proof, but still.

I honestly wish laptop users got as much love as desktop users. I mean, if AMD drivers were killing laptop displays I'd be seeing them lynched but back then nobody even gave a shit.

[lkarej]

Honestly, laptop users have such a bad experience with drivers (remember when mobile drivers were killing displays on Dell machines? Or causing BSODs for 860M users?) and I actually think it'as bad as AMD were in 2009/2010

I can confirm this is true. I haven't touched my laptop (ASUS w/ an 840m) software wise and GFX just doesn't work anymore. It won't even open half the time and when it does it crashes when I try to update the drivers.

That being said. Who knows how Fury X will do in the future. Look at the 780ti and 290x. 780ti used to crush. Now it doesn't stand a chance. But that's mainly Nvidia's fault and not Dx11 like with the Fury X. But still.

Yeah I had to stop updating drivers for my 780 because performance got progressively worse with each update :^(

[don_svetlio]

I can confirm this is true. I haven't touched my laptop (ASUS w/ an 840m) software wise and GFX just doesn't work anymore. It won't even open half the time and when it does it crashes when I try to update the drivers.

Yeah I had to stop updating drivers for my 780 because performance got progressively worse with each update :^(

Nvidia:

Marketing: "We have to sell more cards!"

Software team: "Cripple Kepler? OK!"

[NuclearPeace]

Nvidia:

Marketing: "We have to sell more cards!"

Software team: "Cripple Kepler? OK!"

 

 

If that was the plan they did a horrible job because the supposed "gimping" of Kepler only got more people to swear off NVIDIA rather than line up and buy a Maxwell GPU. Also, the whole thing about Kepler being "gimped" has been disproven so many times already that its really dishonest to just keep spreading it.

[don_svetlio]

If that was the plan they did a horrible job because the supposed "gimping" of Kepler only got more people to swear off NVIDIA rather than line up and buy a Maxwell GPU. Also, the whole thing about Kepler being "gimped" has been disproven so many times already that its really dishonest to just keep spreading it.

 

I can confirm this is true. I haven't touched my laptop (ASUS w/ an 840m) software wise and GFX just doesn't work anymore. It won't even open half the time and when it does it crashes when I try to update the drivers.

Yeah I had to stop updating drivers for my 780 because performance got progressively worse with each update :^(

[lkarej]

Nvidia:

Marketing: "We have to sell more cards!"

Software team: "Cripple Kepler? OK!"

 

Yeah

But in my experience it's more bad drivers just affect older cards more so.

 

If that was the plan they did a horrible job because the supposed "gimping" of Kepler only got more people to swear off NVIDIA rather than line up and buy a Maxwell GPU. Also, the whole thing about Kepler being "gimped" has been disproven so many times already that its really dishonest to just keep spreading it.

I actually had much worse performance after updating drivers, something like described in this thread, except across all games.

It's not necessarily a direct nerf, but rather bad drivers.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/483200-nvidias-latest-driver-update-nerfed-my-gtx-780-kinda-have-proof/

[don_svetlio]

 

Yeah

But in my experience it's more bad drivers just affect older cards more so.

 

I actually had much worse performance after updating drivers, something like described in this thread, except across all games.

It's not necessarily a direct nerf, but rather bad drivers.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/483200-nvidias-latest-driver-update-nerfed-my-gtx-780-kinda-have-proof/

Still, Nvidia and bad drivers should be mutually exclusive.....

[NuclearPeace]

It just wouldn't make sense for NVIDIA to intentially gimp Kepler. If they got caught, the least worst thing is that massive amounts of consumers won't buy their things for a very long time. The worst result is that they get sued and have to pay potentially billions of dollars. Seeing how everyone, their dogs, and their puppies got a GTX 900 series card, it wasn't exactly like NVIDIA was hurting for sales.

[lkarej]

Still, Nvidia and bad drivers should be mutually exclusive.....

 

People used to rag hard on AMD for that, but there drivers haven't been bad for a while iirc.

 

It just wouldn't make sense for NVIDIA to intentially gimp Kepler. If they got caught, the least worst thing is that massive amounts of consumers won't buy their things for a very long time. The worst result is that they get sued and have to pay potentially billions of dollars. Seeing how everyone, their dogs, and their puppies got a GTX 900 series card, it wasn't exactly like NVIDIA was hurting for sales.

Yeah, not intentionally gimping per se (afawk) but because of their bad drivers very, very negatively affecting the performance of my 780 I will most likely never, ever buy an Nvidia product again.

[NuclearPeace]

That's fair. I don't mean to discredit your experience. I only had one problem with NVIDIA drivers, and that was when I updated to Windows 10 and GeForce Experience crapped the bed and my old Windows 8.1 drivers wouldn't uninstall via NVIDIA's driver handler so I had to use DDU. Was very annoying but somehow it worked out.

 

15.12 has been good to me so far. I like Crimson a lot and its definitely less intrusive/resource intensive than GFE.

[Sharkyx1]

Good, so we wont get rebrand-gate.

Rebranding happened because AMD didn't want to throw money at more 28nm chips. Just look at how 290X still keeps up with stuff like the 980. 980 destroys it in efficiency, but performance is the same.

[don_svetlio]

 

People used to rag hard on AMD for that, but there drivers haven't been bad for a while iirc.

 

Yeah, not intentionally gimping per se (afawk) but because of their bad drivers very, very negatively affecting the performance of my 780 I will most likely never, ever buy an Nvidia product again.

People are still banging the driver train

[alphaproject]

 

People used to rag hard on AMD for that, but there drivers haven't been bad for a while iirc.

 

Yeah, not intentionally gimping per se (afawk) but because of their bad drivers very, very negatively affecting the performance of my 780 I will most likely never, ever buy an Nvidia product again.

AMD had the Crimson drivers mess with fan speeds and gpu's were overheating. That's not good either.  That was recent.

[CTR640]

I'm still using the game-ready GTAV driver for my 780.

It is probably the best driver, 350.12

I can't be fked as nVidia likes to cripple 700 series so to make people buy 900. Fuck that.

If Pascal or Polaris can't do 4k60 GTAV with maxed settings, then there is no reason for me to upgrade.

[kelvindeschutter]

AMD had the Crimson drivers mess with fan speeds and gpu's were overheating. That's not good either. That was recent.

its still new so give it some time to fix the bugs

[shawno]

Question is, will polaris be a flagship gpu or not?