3570k vs 4670k upgrade NOW

[renz62]

is it better to get an ivy bridge now that haswell has released or is it better to get the updated haswell ones?

3570k and 4670k are the ones that I've been eyeing for 

[iAsuno]

4670k. prices aren't that much far away and 1150 mobos are pretty good.

[target39]

is it better to get an ivy bridge now that haswell has released or is it better to get the updated haswell ones?

3570k and 4670k are the ones that I've been eyeing for 

Both have IHS problems, so both CPU's would overclock similarly in terms of mhz. I would go with the I5-4670K because it performs roughly 10% better than the 3570K, and motherboards are newer.

[Gaming_Addiction]

Both have IHS problems, so both CPU's would overclock similarly in terms of mhz. I would go with the I5-4670K because it performs roughly 10% better than the 3570K, and motherboards are newer.

Just curious: what are the tempature difference on Sandy Bridge -> Ivy Bridge -> Haswell chips at stock?

[Cs342]

Sandy Bridge can OC way better than Ivy or Haswell, but Ivy should OC better than Haswell overall. If you have a 2600K or 2500K there is absolutely no need to upgrade as you will not notice the difference. If you have something older like a 950 you might want to upgrade (depends on your usage scenario). It is always best to upgrade to the newest platform so just get a Haswell CPU if you really need to upgrade.

[WoodenMarker]

They should be around the same price so go for Haswell for better performance an features.

[Godlygamer23]

Both have IHS problems, so both CPU's would overclock similarly in terms of mhz.

Not necessarily, since Haswell has the voltage regulator integrated onto it as well.

[KneesWeak]

either one bro, unless you really really care about power consumption and current gen stuff, you won't notice too much of a difference.  As long as both platforms aren't too close in price, I'd get the 3570k

[TechFan@ic]

They perform the same once overclocked, however, you get an H87 board and still overclock the 4670K (Asus, Gigabyte & Asrock all support H87 overclocking through various BIOS updates), this will allow you to save a bit of money.

[Kuzma]

The chances to get a bad overclocking 4670k are stupidly high >_> hence why I'd go for a 3570k

[Theo]

Go with the 4670k, its just generally a bit better than the 3570k

[CwGoh]

Performance once OC'd are about the same, more differentiating factors are the motherboard and chipset features. Unless you get a good Haswell.

[Kuzma]

They perform the same once overclocked, however, you get an H87 board and still overclock the 4670K (Asus, Gigabyte & Asrock all support H87 overclocking through various BIOS updates), this will allow you to save a bit of money.

But the 4670k overclocks like crap...

[Theo]

But the 4670k overclocks like crap...

Not really no, and even if it OC's 300MHz less than a 3570k they ll still perform the same or even better than the Ivy CPU

( Tested this with a friend )

[Kuzma]

Not really no, and even if it OC's 300MHz less than a 3570k they ll still perform the same or even better than the Ivy CPU

( Tested this with a friend )

O.o pics or gtfo? It's a 10% performance increase... & have you not heard about the new mature 3570ks that overlocked to 5ghz on air?

[Theo]

O.o pics or gtfo? It's a 10% performance increase... & have you not heard about the new mature 3570ks that overlocked to 5ghz on air?

Well i have a 4770k and my friend has a 3770k, at 4.6GHz my CPU got 10.05 in Cinebench, his 3770k at 4.8 got 9.86. 

And yeah but a haswell cpu at 4.6 ( more or less ) will perform equally good ( well not in terms of bragging rights cause 5GHz is boss but ) and will consume less power/idle cooler cause of adaptive voltage 

[Kuzma]

Well i have a 4770k and my friend has a 3770k, at 4.6GHz my CPU got 10.05 in Cinebench, his 3770k at 4.8 got 9.86. 

And yeah but a haswell cpu at 4.6 ( more or less ) will perform equally good ( well not in terms of bragging rights cause 5GHz is boss but ) and will consume less power/idle cooler cause of adaptive voltage 

You got really freaking lucky on your OC... The amount of people barely getting 4.2 on a 4670k isn't even funny >_> and I'm pretty sure I'll be going with a higher yield rate than slightly more performance clock per clock.

[TechFan@ic]

But the 4670k overclocks like crap...

4670k @ 4.2 = 3570K @ 4.5.

The chances of getting a 4670K to 4.2 equal the chances of getting a 3570K to 4.5.

But H87 boards are significantly cheaper than Z77 boards, and that's why I'd recommend grabbing a 4670K + an Asus H87Plus .

[Kuzma]

4670k @ 4.2 = 3570K @ 4.5.

The chances of getting a 4670K to 4.2 equal the chances of getting a 3570K to 4.5.

But H87 boards are significantly cheaper than Z77 boards, and that's why I'd recommend grabbing a 4670K + an Asus H87Plus .

Intel are going to be locking down on the whole h87 overclocking soon & with the new batch of 3570ks is that still true?

[TheProfosist]

Just get haswell as you get all the new benefits of the new chip and platform.

[TechFan@ic]

Intel are going to be locking down on the whole h87 overclocking soon & with the new batch of 3570ks is that still true?

They will try to lock it down with a BIOS update, but you can still find the unlocked BIOS very easily.

[Samdb]

Firstly the 3570K and the 4670K are essentially the same CPU, the 3570K has more inefficient clocks than the 4670K leading to a lower amount of IPC (Instructions Per Clock). However the 3570K produces a lot less heat that the 4670K although it still uses thermal paste. The 4670K and the Haswell series of processors are notorious from having cheap thermal compound between the die and the IHS, leading to a greater heat output, leading to less overclocking capability. However the Haswell series of processors also uses less power than the previes generation Ivy Bridge CPU's, or the 3570K in your circumstance. The two CPU's use different chipsets; the 3570K uses the Z77 chipset and the 4670K uses the Z87 chipset. Z77 boards have come down a lot in price recently and you can get more for what you would pay for a Z87 board. However, buying a Z87 board gives the opportunity to upgrade in the future, to the next series of Broadwell processors. Intel follows a tick tock pattern, first with an architecture change, then a die shrink. Haswell is meant to be a "tick" cycle, meaning the next series of Intel CPU's may be much better than Haswell. Ultimately the choice lies on what you want, do you want a good overclocker with lower heat output, however is older and does not leave room to upgrade? Or do you want a newer CPU which has a higher IPC more heat and the opportunity to upgrade?

 

Sam,

Intel Response Squad member

http://bit.ly/RallySquad

[Kuzma]

 

Firstly the 3570K and the 4670K are essentially the same CPU, the 3570K has more inefficient clocks than the 4670K leading to a lower amount of IPC (Instructions Per Clock). However the 3570K produces a lot less heat that the 4670K although it still uses thermal paste. The 4670K and the Haswell series of processors are notorious from having cheap thermal compound between the die and the IHS, leading to a greater heat output, leading to less overclocking capability. However the Haswell series of processors also uses less power than the previes generation Ivy Bridge CPU's, or the 3570K in your circumstance. The two CPU's use different chipsets; the 3570K uses the Z77 chipset and the 4670K uses the Z87 chipset. Z77 boards have come down a lot in price recently and you can get more for what you would pay for a Z87 board. However, buying a Z87 board gives the opportunity to upgrade in the future, to the next series of Broadwell processors. Intel follows a tick tock pattern, first with an architecture change, then a die shrink. Haswell is meant to be a "tick" cycle, meaning the next series of Intel CPU's may be much better than Haswell. Ultimately the choice lies on what you want, do you want a good overclocker with lower heat output, however is older and does not leave room to upgrade? Or do you want a newer CPU which has a higher IPC more heat and the opportunity to upgrade?

 

Sam,

Intel Response Squad member

http://bit.ly/RallySquad

 

Haswell and Ivy bridge are very different :s the 4670k has the voltage regulator on the chip; this effects how the cpu overclocks in a variety of ways. The 4670k has support for a larger variety of instruction sets and the list goes on. At first glance they may seem essentially the same but they are different. Also upgrading to another CPU on the same socket with Intel is generally a mistake to be honest; Sandy Bridge -> Ivy bridge is not worth it and Haswell -> Broadwell (or possibly the rumoured Haswell refresh) is also not going to be worth it.

 

The performance difference clock per clock is about the same as Sandy Bridge -> Ivy bridge; Intel have pretty much been giving minuscule performance increases with power consumption in mind (the power consumption differences between ivy and haswell once you disable the C states are within margin of error :/ )

[Xelithium]

You got really freaking lucky on your OC... The amount of people barely getting 4.2 on a 4670k isn't even funny >_> and I'm pretty sure I'll be going with a higher yield rate than slightly more performance clock per clock.

The vocal minority aren't getting high overclocks.

[eshbop]

I'd always get the lasted platform. Haswell is just a better platform than Ivy, it goes beyond just the CPUs. The range of overclocks on Haswell is larger and not as 'guaranteed' as Ivy, but even a 4.2Ghz Haswell chip is going to be roughly the same performance as a 4.6Ghz Ivy chip. Both have essentially the same thermal issues.

 

If you are running a LGA1156 system or newer there isn't much point upgrading, depending if you're hammering the CPU or not, rendering etc. Maybe next platform release it might be worth it if you really want to.

 

If you're just gaming then your GPU will max out before your CPU (if your current CPU is a quad core released in the last 5 years odd).