Windows 10 proven to spy on users, regardless of settings or system tweaks.

[d3sl91]

At this point I don't think that would matter, as I feel the mods would just move it, lock it, or merge it. As they have done with every windows 10 spying thread I've seen.

::Looks at the last 15 pages of bickering and name calling::

 

 

I wonder why?

[LAwLz]

Only thing privacy applies to is online services like one drive, if you worried that Microsoft checks your pony porn collection then just don't put it on one drive..

https://onedrive.live.com/

I wish that was true but it's not. This appears to be system wide. Typed something into the search bar in Windows? It's being sent to Microsoft along with a unique ID to indentify you.

 

It will also periodically send data to Microsoft's OneDrive server even if you have disabled OneDrive and is logged into a local user.

[Kiyuubi]

Why people recommend Ubuntu with its past Amazon spyware is beyond me.

[Trik'Stari]

::Looks at the last 15 pages of bickering and name calling::

 

 

I wonder why?

Possibly because there are a large number of people defending MS and Windows despite evidence from multiple sources.

 

More likely because this is the internet, and that's how the internet works?

 

Why people recommend Ubuntu with its past Amazon spyware is beyond me.

 

Because it's linux and you can do whatever you want with it, including removing that spyware.

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

What position am I claiming they are taking? I didn't include any names and I made the post without reading any replies in this thread. I didn't take anything anyone said and skewed it. If the 3 points I made fits some people in this thread then it fits because YOU interpret their posts that way. Not because I interpret them that way.

It seems like you are projecting right now.

So what you are telling me then is that you came into this discussion with a predisposed bias, whereas I and many others have checked the source and questioned it's credibility.

That still puts you in a bad position in respects to this thread.

 

At this point I don't think that would matter, as I feel the mods would just move it, lock it, or merge it. As they have done with every windows 10 spying thread I've seen.

 

Because all of those threads up to now were either unsound or taken out of context. Also they tend to get very heated between people, from a convoluted case of miscommunication.

[iwasaperson]

Why people recommend Ubuntu with its past Amazon spyware is beyond me.

Good point. Even though there is fixubuntu, new people won't know that. Added a little blurb to the OP along with the newly edited post.

[Stuff_]

I think the most disappointing part about most of these privacy issues are that a lot of people actually believe they are individually important and significant in this world.

 

Microsoft storing your data? That may or may not be true.

 

What is true, though, is you are harming yourself (through stress) by worrying about Microsoft having some of your data (when it's clearly not being used for anything but advertising).

 

if you're having an affair and using a Windows PC, browsing a lot of porn and don't want it found out, or are downloading ILLEGAL music and software, I suppose your only option is to use a Linux distro.

 

Or you could stop doing all those things and live your life as a decent human.

[Trik'Stari]

So what you are telling me then is that you came into this discussion with a predisposed bias, whereas I and many others have checked the source and questioned it's credibility.

That still puts you in a bad position in respects to this thread.

 

 

Because all of those threads up to now were either unsound or taken out of context. Also they tend to get very heated between people, from a convoluted case of miscommunication.

You claim we are biased, yet you continue to question the credibility of the original source, despite the claims of that source being backed up by numerous other trustworthy news sources.

 

I think the most disappointing part about most of these privacy issues are that a lot of people actually believe they are individually important and significant in this world.

 

Microsoft storing your data? That may or may not be true.

 

What is true, though, is you are harming yourself (through stress) by worrying about Microsoft having some of your data (when it's clearly not being used for anything but advertising).

 

if you're having an affair and using a Windows PC, browsing a lot of porn and don't want it found out, or are downloading ILLEGAL music and software, I suppose your only option is to use a Linux distro.

 

Or you could stop doing all those things and live your life as a decent human.

 

Claiming that anyone worried about their privacy is immoral or doing something they shouldn't be, isn't a valid argument.

[iwasaperson]

So what you are telling me then is that you came into this discussion with a predisposed bias, whereas I and many others have checked the source and questioned it's credibility.

That still puts you in a bad position in respects to this thread.

 

 

Because all of those threads up to now were either unsound or taken out of context. Also they tend to get very heated between people, from a convoluted case of miscommunication.

I realize that the source was bad, but I don't like when people are dicks about it. I edited the OP with the ars source.

[d3sl91]

Possibly because there are a large number of people defending MS and Windows despite evidence from multiple sources.

 

More likely because this is the internet, and that's how the internet works?

Right, and it's the Mod's job to keep this forum clear of pure chaos. Debates are fine, but not when it resorts to what it often resorts to on the internet. At which point it's useless and not helpful and needs to go away. 

 

As far as the Ars post, looks interesting, and I 100% dont doubt that my computer is constantly pinging microsoft. Is it concerning I don't have an option to turn it off? Eh, sortof, but I dont have that option in other software either (or apps on my phone etc etc). It would be good to know what data is being sent, as all reputable sources admit most is highly encrypted. 

[Stuff_]

Claiming that anyone worried about their privacy is immoral or doing something they shouldn't be, isn't a valid argument.

Putting words in my mouth also isn't a valid way to argue. 

[Trik'Stari]

Putting words in my mouth also isn't a valid way to argue. 

I didn't I summarized exactly what you said.

 

I think the most disappointing part about most of these privacy issues are that a lot of people actually believe they are individually important and significant in this world.

 

Microsoft storing your data? That may or may not be true.

 

What is true, though, is you are harming yourself (through stress) by worrying about Microsoft having some of your data (when it's clearly not being used for anything but advertising).

 

if you're having an affair and using a Windows PC, browsing a lot of porn and don't want it found out, or are downloading ILLEGAL music and software, I suppose your only option is to use a Linux distro.

 

Or you could stop doing all those things and live your life as a decent human.

Yes they are likely only using this data for advertising, but that doesn't make it acceptable. Considering it's information about you, that you have no right to view, and no control over who views that data, and the company recording it has no liability for keeping it secure. If you really think that it's no big deal, mind if I install a keylogger on your computer? I promise I will only use the information to recommend games and products to you.

[Stuff_]

I didn't I summarized exactly what you said.

I was saying, if you do those things, you shouldn't use Windows 10. 

 

You reworded my quote, and made it look as if I said everyone that is concerned about privacy is doing something wrong. That is not what I said.

 

It was your choice to interpret it that way.

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

You claim we are biased, yet you continue to question the credibility of the original source, despite the claims of that source being backed up by numerous other trustworthy news sources.

 

Welcome to academia!

 

Because there are other sources that fall in line with the original faulty source, that does not mean that the original faulty source magically becomes reliable; it is still useless.

 

At this point I have to ask; what in the world are they teaching you there? This is documentation 101.

 

I realize that the source was bad, but I don't like when people are dicks about it. I edited the OP with the ars source.

 

It would be nice if you were not abrasive with the matter and provided the ars source from the get-go.

[Jimbillroo Digital]

If this turns out to be true, I can't say I didn't expect it.

Also, am I the only person getting sick of people constantly going "switch to Linux" whenever you complain about the slightest thing about Windows? Linux is not perfect, the same way every other OS is not perfect.

[GoodBytes]

Well I didn't participate in this thread particularly or paid much attention as I said what I needed to say already.

But, at least on the other threads, I don't think anyone denied the tracking. What is being said is clarification of the (in my opinion) miss understanding of the privacy policy, and also highlight current market reality. And to understand that market data collecting is billion dollar industry for the big players, such as Google. And to clarify that there isn't an full profile on each person, with all their information, but rather collecting demographic data, interests, and so on to sale to market research companies, and companies directly.

Tied to it, we have the ad system, and genuine telemetry data collecting for improving the product (in the case of Microsoft, this includes Cortana voice data to improve the system ), and of course run these services (putting files on OneDrive/Google Drive/etc, means that the company has access to the data)

[d3sl91]

what in the world are they teaching you there?

 

Relativism. It's quite common in academia today it seems.

[Trik'Stari]

I was saying, if you do those things, you shouldn't use Windows 10. 

 

You reworded my quote, and made it look as if I said everyone that is concerned about privacy is doing something wrong. That is not what I said.

 

It was your choice to interpret it that way.

I interpreted it exactly how you said it.

 

"You're not important, it's only for advertising, you don't need to worry about it unless you're doing something you shouldn't be".

 

Welcome to academia!

 

Because there are other sources that fall in line with the original faulty source, that does not mean that the original faulty source magically becomes reliable; it is still useless.

 

At this point I have to ask; what in the world are they teaching you there? This is documentation 101.

 

 

It would be nice if you were not abrasive with the matter and provided the ars source from the get-go.

 

I've yet to see you explain exactly why these sources aren't reliable or accurate. Nor have I seen you provide proof that they are indeed inaccurate. Granted, I haven't read the entire thread.

[Accursed Entity]

I came back to read some more sources but there is so much "trash talking" in those pages... I don't want to read all that, can you "OP" update the content on the front page please? Not trying to fight or anything.

[Stuff_]

I interpreted it exactly how you said it.

 

"You're not important, it's only for advertising, you don't need to worry about it unless you're doing something you shouldn't be".

I hope you weren't trying to quote me there. Because that, again, is not what I said. You're making assumptions. 

 

That is not a proper way to debate.

[iwasaperson]

I came back to read some more sources but there is so much "trash talking" in those pages... I don't want to read all that, can you "OP" update the content on the front page please? Not trying to fight or anything.

I already did.

[Accursed Entity]

I already did.

 

Maybe I read wrong, in the last pages there were mentions of "sources" scattered through the "trash talking" pages ... I only see one source in the OP, that's why I asked sorry.

 

 

This thread is a trainwreck...

[iwasaperson]

Maybe I read wrong, in the last pages there were mentions of "sources" scattered through the "trash talking" pages ... I only see one source in the OP, that's why I asked sorry.

 

 

This thread is a trainwreck...

I replaced the previous source and requoted everything.

[Accursed Entity]

Well I didn't participate in this thread particularly or paid much attention as I said what I needed to say already.

But, at least on the other threads, I don't think anyone denied the tracking. What is being said is clarification of the (in my opinion) miss understanding of the privacy policy, and also highlight current market reality. And to understand that market data collecting is billion dollar industry for the big players, such as Google. And to clarify that there isn't an full profile on each person, with all their information, but rather collecting demographic data, interests, and so on to sale to market research companies, and companies directly.

Tied to it, we have the ad system, and genuine telemetry data collecting for improving the product (in the case of Microsoft, this includes Cortana voice data to improve the system ), and of course run these services (putting files on OneDrive/Google Drive/etc, means that the company has access to the data)

This is pretty much why I wasn't surprised nor care that much about it. In my honest opinion.

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

I've yet to see you explain exactly why these sources aren't reliable or accurate. Nor have I seen you provide proof that they are indeed inaccurate. Granted, I haven't read the entire thread.

 

Then please do so; it already has been very well-established.

 

First of all, the data behind the claim was vague and no details were given. Basically, the person made a hasty conclusion by casual observation.

Perhaps I need to fill you in on the concept of the Hempel's Paradox; there are three rules that go in this order:

 

1) All ravens are black

 

2) All that is not black is not a raven

 

3) That green thing over there is an apple and therefore not a raven

 

That is an error of inductive reasoning. You may think this makes sense, if the last rule was translated to this:

 

"That green apple is not a raven because it is green"

 

But due to the sentence structure of that last law, it instead translates to this:

 

"That green apple is not a raven because it is an apple"

 

The first two rules were making a condition based on visual colour, but the third law makes a conclusion based on the type of object, which fails to correlate with the first two laws. This creates a logical fallacy, which directly related to the original source used in this OP.

 

Others have also covered very thoroughly about the lack of credibility with the source site itself. I did not mention it because I had assumed that people would have known of this common sense matter.