dying Old PC vs new and wait for pascal?

[raladin3D]

Hello guys,first post here and big fan of Linus

 

So my PC is around 13 years old

with GA-P35-DS3R as the motherboard and ancient 6 GM of Rams, Intel Core 2 Quad @ 2.4 Ghz and GTX 680 card.

So it is about time I upgrade to a whole new motherboard and PC not to mention the state of my current case is saddening as shown here

 

I was looking online I found this complete package deal from CyberpowerPC.

Here are the specs and price.

 

PRICE: 2800

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-5820K Six-Core 3.30GHz 15MB Intel Smart Cache LGA2011-V3

MEMORY: 16GB (4GBx4) DDR4/2800MHz Quad Channel Memory [-178] (ADATA XPG Z1)

MOTHERBOARD: ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 ATX w/Intel GbeLAN, 4x Gen3 PCIe x16, 1 PCIe x1,1x M.2, 10x SATA 6Gb/s [+78]

OVERCLOCK: Extreme OC (Extreme Overclock 20% or more) [+49]

GPU VIDEO: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Hydro Copper 6GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card (Maxwell) [+219] (Single Card)

 

Extra details: 

CARE2: Cooler Master Thermal Fusion 400 Extreme Performance CPU - Thermal Compound Optimized for Thermal Dissipation [+10]

CAS: CFI Boreallight w/ USB 3.0, EZ Swap HDD, 2x 120mm & 1x 140mm fans, Side Panel Window [-50] (Black Color)

CS_FAN: Maximum Thermaltake Riing 14 Series High Static Pressure 140mm Case/Radiator Fan [+49] (Red Color LED)

FAN: Deepcool Captain 360 360MM CPU Liquid Cooler [+55] (6 x Tt Riing 12 Series Case/Radiator Fans (Push-Pull)(ORANGE) [+72])

HDD: 256GB SANDISK + 3TB SATA III Hard Drive Combo (Combo Drive)

NOISEREDUCE1: Sound Absorbing Foam on Side, Top And Bottom panels [+29]

NOISEREDUCE2: Anti-Vibration Fan Mounts [+9]

TUNING: Intel® Core™ i7-5820K Performance Tuning Protection Plan by Intel [+29]

POWERSUPPLY: 850 Watts - Corsair RM850 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Fully Modular Ultra Quiet Power Supply [+92]

WNC: TP-LINK Archer T8E AC1750 Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Card [+69]

 

What do you guys think? Stick with these or change some of the specs for a better option with a bit more $ I am kind of flexible up to 3k$ and also up to 1 year in term of waiting time for a new PC if the new specs are worth it.

Also what exactly is the difference between this GTX 980ti Hydro Copper (which seems to be a very new addition) vs the normal one? Do we have any direct comparison between it and TitanX or GTX 980?

 

And one final question. Should I wait for the new nvidia pascal GPUs? I heard they are 10X faster and they should be released in early to mid 2016. I can wait if it is as they claim 10X better.

 

Thanks

[HeathCliff]

My immediate advice would be to sit down with it on the weekend and give it a thorough cleaning. Anti static brush, compressed air, isopropyl alcohol and new thermal paste would be greatly beneficial for the system. A 680 is still a pretty good card so you should be able to push it for a little longer. 

[TheConverter]

What's your CPU? Is it a dual core or quad core?

[Sportiva]

Why Pre-built? You can make your own for cheaper and better.

[TheConverter]

Why Pre-built? You can make your own for cheaper and better.

 

Because pre-built is sometimes cheaper and less trouble, but hell not this one.

[Theo]

As for the gpu, i personally sold my 680 and ill be buying a 980ti in september.

Pascal will be faster but as we've seen in the past, it wont be significantly faster than the 980ti. Memory bandwidth can only go so far as we saw with fury

[Arty]

Your Pc is Crying.

[Sportiva]

 

Because pre-built is sometimes cheaper and less trouble, but hell not this one.

True, but you never know if they use refurbished parts...

 

 

What's your CPU? Is it a dual core or quad core?

My current is a Intel Core 2 Quad @ 2.4 Ghz

[Hoppa]

If you wanted to save some money, you could harvest the PSU, SSD, HDD, and possibly the GPU from the old PC and use it in the new 1.

Later on, when the new PC is built you could buy a new GPU if you need it.

[raladin3D]

 

Your Pc is Crying.

Hahaha, I know! I moved it through 2 houses and upgraded it like 2 times

 

 

If you wanted to save some money, you could harvest the PSU, SSD, HDD, and possibly the GPU from the old PC and use it in the new 1.

Later on, when the new PC is built you could buy a new GPU if you need it.

100% agree with you, I am planing to add them to the new PC

 

 

My immediate advice would be to sit down with it on the weekend and give it a thorough cleaning. Anti static brush, compressed air, isopropyl alcohol and new thermal paste would be greatly beneficial for the system. A 680 is still a pretty good card so you should be able to push it for a little longer.

You have a point, I am planing to wait a max of 1 year to upgrade but the PC is dying slowly and it is showing on the performance, not to mention that I can't run 2k or 4k youtube videos without lagging the heck out of the PC. Can't even keep work open while a game is running. That's how bad it is.

[TheConverter]

True, but you never know if they use refurbished parts...

Umm.. then don't buy from shady websites?

 

There was a sale where a i5 4460 + 750Ti system was almost 100 euro cheaper then if you bought the parts yourself and that without the windows licence.

[raladin3D]

Because pre-built is sometimes cheaper and less trouble, but hell not this one.

I thought that the price was very similar to adding individual items, I found the difference to be around 100-130$ .... at least according to Canadian market

[TheConverter]

My current is a Intel Core 2 Quad @ 2.4 Ghz 

 

What is the model number? Maybe you can overclock it. 2.4Ghz is damn slow for 2015.

[S1lent_5am]

I am sure the Pascal cards will be faster than what's on the market now, but it is still to early to say whether or not they will be 10x faster. You can give your computer a nice cleaning and stick it out since the 680 is a decent card, and if your computer dose the things you need it to then stick with it if not upgrade. And pre but is ok if the price is close to what it would cost to build it yourself. And the hydrocoper is just the 980 ti with a full water block pre installed on it with some extra fine tuning from evga.

[raladin3D]

 

As for the gpu, i personally sold my 680 and ill be buying a 980ti in september.

 

Pascal will be faster but as we've seen in the past, it wont be significantly faster than the 980ti. Memory bandwidth can only go so far as we saw with fury

That's what am wondering. I see all these people on youtube going crazy over how much improvement the new Pascal cards will offer and 10X faster.... but I can't see numbers or direct comparison

 

 

I am sure the Pascal cards will be faster than what's on the market now, but it is still to early to say whether or not they will be 10x faster. You can give your computer a nice cleaning and stick it out since the 680 is a decent card, and if your computer dose the things you need it to then stick with it if not upgrade. And pre but is ok if the price is close to what it would cost to build it yourself. And the hydrocoper is just the 980 ti with a full water block pre installed on it with some extra fine tuning from evga.

Thanks, from what I saw water cooling on GPUs make a big difference

[TheConverter]

 

Thanks, from what I saw water cooling on GPUs make a big difference

 

Big difference in what? In your pocket? Hahahaha

 

Could you give us a link to the website? That PC looks pretty decent in price, but it's not really well balanced.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($498.98 @ DirectCanada)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($66.99 @ NCIX)

Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($319.25 @ Vuugo)

Memory: A-Data XPG Z1 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($388.98 @ Newegg Canada)

Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ DirectCanada)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card ($889.99 @ Memory Express)

Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($138.75 @ Vuugo)

Power Supply: Corsair RM 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($173.68 @ DirectCanada)

Total: $2581.61

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-06 17:51 EDT-0400

 

Edit: For the same money you can easily get a system with TWO 980Ti's

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($294.98 @ DirectCanada)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($66.99 @ NCIX)

Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($142.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($139.75 @ Vuugo)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($128.75 @ shopRBC)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($889.99 @ Memory Express)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($889.99 @ Memory Express)

Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($138.25 @ Vuugo)

Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($176.99 @ Memory Express)

Total: $2868.68

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-06 17:59 EDT-0400

[raladin3D]

Big difference in what? In your pocket? Hahahaha

 According to LinusTech

We are talking atleast 10 more FPS on 4k and reduction of 30 degrees in heat, which is a good increase knowing that the price increase from GTX 980 ti to water cooled is around 150$ I'll take that over 300$ toward titan X and not the biggest difference.

[TheConverter]

 According to LinusTech

We are talking atleast 10 more FPS on 4k and reduction of 30 degrees in heat, which is a good increase knowing that the price increase from GTX 980 ti to water cooled is around 150$ I'll take that over 300$ toward titan X and not the biggest difference.

 

Because they are comparing it to a freaking reference card. My Msi 980Ti can overclock higher then that card.

 

The list I shown you has two 980Ti's which is almost double the performance for the same price. Assembly costs are usually 30-70$ depending on the shop.

[raladin3D]

Could you give us a link to the website? That PC looks pretty decent in price, but it's not really well balanced.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($498.98 @ DirectCanada)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($66.99 @ NCIX)

Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($319.25 @ Vuugo)

Memory: A-Data XPG Z1 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($388.98 @ Newegg Canada)

Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($104.99 @ DirectCanada)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card  ($889.99 @ Memory Express)

Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($138.75 @ Vuugo)

Power Supply: Corsair RM 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($173.68 @ DirectCanada)

Total: $2581.61

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-06 17:51 EDT-0400

 

 

Edit: For the same money you can easily get a system with TWO 980Ti's 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($294.98 @ DirectCanada)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($66.99 @ NCIX)

Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($142.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory  ($139.75 @ Vuugo)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($128.75 @ shopRBC)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($889.99 @ Memory Express)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($889.99 @ Memory Express)

Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($138.25 @ Vuugo)

Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($176.99 @ Memory Express)

Total: $2868.68

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-06 17:59 EDT-0400

 

Thanks, I tried to set up a new PC from the same retailer with very similar specs to yours and it turned out to be much cheaper (minus the 2nd GTX card which makes it almost the same price)

2162$

Specs: 

MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE Z97N-Gaming 5 Mini-ITX w/ 802.11ac WiFi + BT 4.0, Killer GbLAN, 1 PCIe x16, 4x SATA 6Gb/s (Extreme OC Certified) [+74]

GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card (Maxwell) [+661] (Single Card)

POWERSUPPLY: 750 Watts - Thermaltake Toughpower - 80 PLUS Gold, Semi Modular Power Supply [+50]

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-4790K 4.0 GHz 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1150 (All Venom OC Certified) [+244]

OVERCLOCK: Pro OC (Performance Overclock 10% or more) [+19]

MEMORY: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR3/2133MHz Dual Channel Memory [+74] (G.SKILL Ripjaws X)

 

I couldn't send you a direct link, but here is the main page and from it you can pick indivual items and match it to the one I showed in the main topic

1) the 2860$ PC: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Infinity_8800_Pro_SE

and 2) the 2162$ http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Zeus_Mini-I_200

[Aphala]

Get DDR3

 

DDR4 is literally the biggest sink hole and waste of money DDR3 will last for YEARS until DDR4 becomes a needed factor in PC gaming, hell DDR2 was still relevant for gaming a 3 years ago lol.

 

DDR3 @ 1600mhz is all anyone needs right now unless you are going to jump the gun and go for X9X or X1XX series motherboards/CPU.

[TheConverter]

Get DDR3

 

DDR4 is literally the biggest sink hole and waste of money DDR3 will last for YEARS until DDR4 becomes a needed factor in PC gaming, hell DDR2 was still relevant for gaming a 3 years ago lol.

 

DDR3 @ 1600mhz is all anyone needs right now unless you are going to jump the gun and go for X9X or X1XX series motherboards/CPU.

 

 

DDR4 is already mainstream bro, Skylake just got released.

 

Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 8X2 1600Mhz = € 86,80

 

 

Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR4 4X4 2400Mhz= € 111,-

Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 8X2 2400Mhz = € 111,80

 

 

MFW 16GB of DDR4  IS CHEAPER THEN 16GB of DDR3 at the same speed

 

[raladin3D]

Get DDR3

 

DDR4 is literally the biggest sink hole and waste of money DDR3 will last for YEARS until DDR4 becomes a needed factor in PC gaming, hell DDR2 was still relevant for gaming a 3 years ago lol.

 

DDR3 @ 1600mhz is all anyone needs right now unless you are going to jump the gun and go for X9X or X1XX series motherboards/CPU.

 

In a major way I agree with you! the only problem is that if I want a newer Motherboard (if i want to upgrade my Rams) I'll need to get the DDR4 since new motherboards (X99) don't accept DDR3.

And vise versa where older motherboards can't run DDR4.

[Aphala]

 

^ True but the only reason this is true is because new motherboards otherwise DDR3 would be king. I won't be hoping onto the bandwagon until Intel 8XXX series launch as my i7 4770 is good enough for now

 

In a major way I agree with you! the only problem is that if I want a newer Motherboard (if i want to upgrade my Rams) I'll need to get the DDR4 since new motherboards (X99) don't accept DDR3.

And vise versa where older motherboards can't run DDR4.

Yeah it's more of a "Push them to use DDR4" move, I do agree it's a shame though, having to fork out a bollock ton just to get a new motherboard and CPU but I guess we couldn't have DDR3 forever

[Badger906]

why wait for pascal? as as soon as pascal is out you may as well wait another year for pascal's replacement which will be better still.. and a year on a better ect ect..

[TheConverter]

Yeah it's more of a "Push them to use DDR4" move, I do agree it's a shame though, having to fork out a bollock ton just to get a new motherboard and CPU but I guess we couldn't have DDR3 forever

 

How is a DDR4 platform like Skylake more money? 6700K is 30 euro more then the 4790K right now. DDR4 is the same price as DDR3. The only more expensive part is the motherboard, but that will change in a few weeks/months.

 

And yes faster memory like 2400Mhz sometimes gets +5FPS more then the ancient 1333mhz memory I have now. And for other things like video-editing is also better.

 

I hope to get myself a 8X2 3000Mhz DDR4 kit, if it's not that more expensive over 2133 or 2400Mhz