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The 10Gbps USB 3.1 specification has been completed

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Some of you may remember the announcement by USB Promoter Group about a new version of the USB standard with twice the data rate of USB 3.0. They have announced that the specifications ofr the new standard have been completed and it will be officially dubbed USB 3.1.
 
The new standard boasts a data rate of 10Gbps, comparable to the current version of thunderbolt and retains backward compatibility with previous versions.
 

SuperSpeed USB 10 Gbps uses a more efficient data encoding and will deliver more than twice the effective data through-put [sic] performance of existing SuperSpeed USB over enhanced, fully backward compatible USB connectors and cables. Compatibility is assured with existing USB 3.0 software stacks and device class protocols as well as with existing 5 Gbps hubs and devices and USB 2.0 products.

The USB 3.0 Promoter Group's announcement doesn't say anything about when the first USB 3.1 products will turn up but considering the time the USB 3.0 spec took to land in devices, it is expected to be available in about a year.

 

Source: http://techreport.com/news/25166/the-10gbps-usb-3-1-specification-has-been-completed

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Some of you may remember the announcement by USB Promoter Group about a new version of the USB standard with twice the data rate of USB 3.0. They have announced that the specifications ofr the new standard have been completed and it will be officially dubbed USB 3.1.

 

The new standard boasts a data rate of 10Gbps, comparable to the current version of thunderbolt and retains backward compatibility with previous versions.

 

The USB 3.0 Promoter Group's announcement doesn't say anything about when the first USB 3.1 products will turn up but considering the time the USB 3.0 spec took to land in devices, it is expected to be available in about a year.

 

Source: http://techreport.com/news/25166/the-10gbps-usb-3-1-specification-has-been-completed

I don't really see much point really. The main thing this will be used for is for connecting hard drives. I would much prefer to have a 10 gigabit network card and a raid array with 48 drives. 

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I'm all for it. I like progression but I prefer backwards compatibility.  

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USB 3.0 isn't even that ubiquitous yet. Instead of trying to make USB 3.1, make Thunderbolt available on every motherboard!

Hopefully you know how much a thunderbolt cable cost and as well as a device that has it too...

USB 3.1 is backward compatible with USB 3.0&2.0 and there's more devices that uses USB 3,0&2.0 than thunderbolt...

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Hopefully you know how much a thunderbolt cable cost and as well as a device that has it too...

USB 3.1 is backward compatible with USB 3.0&2.0 and there's more devices that uses USB 3,0&2.0 than thunderbolt...

That's why I want it to be more ubiquitous. Of course it's going to cost more than USB. That's because demand for thunderbolt isn't nearly the same. If we get thunderbolt on every computer, thunderbolt devices will be just as cheap to make than USB devices. Once it becomes just as cheap, more devices will have thunderbolt. When more devices have thunderbolt, it will eventually overtake USB. There used to be more devices that had RS232 or PS/2 than USB, but which interface came out on top, and why? USB, because of its speed. These things take time, and the longer you drag it out, the longer it will take to become the norm. 

 

 

 USB was designed less than 20 years ago, thunderbolt was produced about two and a half years ago. The reason thunderbolt isn't even an 1/8 as common as USB is because of Apple. This applies to cost too. Also, thunderbolt 2 will be backwards compatible with thunderbolt 1, the same way USB 3.1 is to 3.0, 2.0, and 1.1.

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USB 3.0 isn't even that ubiquitous yet. Instead of trying to make USB 3.1, make Thunderbolt available on every motherboard!

I'd rather be able to get a 3.1 cable when I need it, at any length I want, for $3-10 than be spending $40 on a two meter thunderbolt cable, thanks. ^_^

 

I don't really see much point really. The main thing this will be used for is for connecting hard drives. I would much prefer to have a 10 gigabit network card and a raid array with 48 drives.

At bandwidths like this we can expect to see more utility than just storage. USB will have a lot of the capabilities that were selling Thunderbolt when it was 10Gb. It's not bad to have the option to connect multi-bay RAID enclosures cheaply and with backwards compatibility, as well as max out most standalone storage devices on the market. That way you're limited even less than before, which makes Thunderbolt basically worthless since it narrows the pool of customers who won't have their needs fulfilled by USB 3.1 down to next to nothing. It's pretty much the final blow in the fight, which is why they're pushing it so soon.

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I'd rather be able to get a 3.1 cable when I need it, at any length I want, for $3-10 than be spending $40 on a two meter thunderbolt cable, thanks. ^_^

 

That's my point though. Once thunderbolt becomes the norm, you don't have to be screwed by Apple by having to spend $40 on a thunderbolt cable. Once more manufacturers produce thunderbolt cables, and devices, it'll eventually become as cheap as USB is today.

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No, I don't believe that's true. Thunderbolt cables are many times more complex (we're talking around a dozen chips inside) than those used for USB 3, which are basically just comprised of wires and contacts. They'll never compete in the same price bracket.

Thunderbolt will have its place, but it stands no chance in the battle to be a mainstream standard.

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I still think this < Thunderbolt

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That's my point though. Once thunderbolt becomes the norm, you don't have to be screwed by Apple by having to spend $40 on a thunderbolt cable. Once more manufacturers produce thunderbolt cables, and devices, it'll eventually become as cheap as USB is today.

While Thunderbolt cable prices may drop a bit more they'll never be as inexpensive as USB because of the on cable circuitry required to make thunderbolt work.

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That's why I want it to be more ubiquitous. Of course it's going to cost more than USB. That's because demand for thunderbolt isn't nearly the same. If we get thunderbolt on every computer, thunderbolt devices will be just as cheap to make than USB devices. Once it becomes just as cheap, more devices will have thunderbolt. When more devices have thunderbolt, it will eventually overtake USB. There used to be more devices that had RS232 or PS/2 than USB, but which interface came out on top, and why? USB, because of its speed. These things take time, and the longer you drag it out, the longer it will take to become the norm. 

 

 

 USB was designed less than 20 years ago, thunderbolt was produced about two and a half years ago. The reason thunderbolt isn't even an 1/8 as common as USB is because of Apple. This applies to cost too. Also, thunderbolt 2 will be backwards compatible with thunderbolt 1, the same way USB 3.1 is to 3.0, 2.0, and 1.1.

How about that Firewire stuff they tried to introduce?

Wasnt that supposed to be faster than USB 2.0?

 

And look what happened to that interface...

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Thunderbolt has it's place no doubt and I can see myself using it someday, but it will always be more expensive than USB and will always be more prominent is high-end devices. USB is going nowhere any time soon and I hope it doesn't. I like how ubiquitous it is and that it's speeds are keeping up with thunderbolt. I also like how much power will be able to be transferred via USB 3.1, 100W is huge. 

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USB 3.0 isn't even that ubiquitous yet. Instead of trying to make USB 3.1, make Thunderbolt available on every motherboard!

 

Because Thunderbolt is ubiquitous? :D

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The thing that made thunderbolt so expensive and it not being used so much is that it required a pci e slot at x2 bandwidth which in ultrabooks and laptops made it expensive if 3.1 won't need the slot than it will be a success like 3.0

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That's my point though. Once thunderbolt becomes the norm, you don't have to be screwed by Apple by having to spend $40 on a thunderbolt cable. Once more manufacturers produce thunderbolt cables, and devices, it'll eventually become as cheap as USB is today.

 

It's incredible how Apple can make even a f'ng cable expensive...

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The next USB advancement! USB 3.1 will have a transfer rate of 10Gbps compared to the old USB 3.0. Its backwards compatible to USB 2.0 and 3.0. Slower than Thunderbolt (20Gbps) but more convenient since more users has USB ports. Thoughts?

 

 

Tom's hardware article:

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/SuperSpeed-USB-3.0-Thunderbolt-10Gbps-Promoter-Group,23768.html#xtor=RSS-999

 

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