Experiences with non-techies

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, NunoLava1998 said:

I submitted a post and it didn't get noticed!

 

1 Funny = 1 Pray for a random bagel

I read 1 furry = 1 pony

 

I couldn't read it because my attention span is telling me no!

[ProjectBox153]

1 hour ago, themctipers said:

iPad is never worth buying  without that 12w power brick

 

good luck charging a ~9000mah battery with 1a 5v in a timely fashion. 

Then she thought she was better off with a first gen iPad. Good luck with that. But I have the iPad charging brick as well so it's not an issue. 

[TheEastWind]

One time I overheard my idiot classmates talking about the XBONE and they were talking about how it had 1 TB storage and that was crazy, then one of then said that the best Gaming PC only has 64 GB. I was infuriated.

[AlTech]

7 hours ago, luegnicl said:

A friend of mine just said: The xbox scorpio is more powerful than my gtx 1070. it has 6 tflops! for what reason should anyone buy a pc ever again?

It probably will be as good as a GTX 1070 at a minimum. IDK if you know the specs.

7 hours ago, luegnicl said:

I said: because consoles use amd gpus, and the flops of these are better than the the results of nvidia gpus! but the graphics power per flop is way weaker. this is only the power of an overclocked rx 480 aka rx 580!

This is technically incorrect.

 

[DocSwag]

13 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

It probably will be as good as a GTX 1070 at a minimum. IDK if you know the specs.

This is technically incorrect.

 

How would it be as good as a 1070? 6 tflops is like an rx 480 plus 5-10%, which is not above a 1070.

[AlTech]

3 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

How would it be as good as a 1070? 6 tflops is like an rx 480 plus 5-10%, which is not above a 1070.

theoretical performance != real world performance. You can't compare theoretical performance across architectures.

 

While the Scorpio GPU may be a derivative of the Polaris Architecture, the GPU itself is highly customized and optimized.

 

The Xbox Scorpio has been tested by Microsoft in Forza and they were able to get similar results to a GTX 1070. 

 

In other games where no direct comparison is viable, the Scorpio GPU managed 4K 60fps at Xbox One Texture Quality whilst leaving potentially around 30-40% of GPU utilization on the table.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

How would it be as good as a 1070? 6 tflops is like an rx 480 plus 5-10%, which is not above a 1070.

A Fury? 

[DocSwag]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

theoretical performance != real world performance. You can't compare theoretical performance across architectures.

 

While the Scorpio GPU may be a derivative of the Polaris Architecture, the GPU itself is highly customized and optimized.

 

The Xbox Scorpio has been tested by Microsoft in Forza and they were able to get similar results to a GTX 1070. 

 

In other games where no direct comparison is viable, the Scorpio GPU managed 4K 60fps at Xbox One Texture Quality whilst leaving potentially around 30-40% of GPU utilization on the table.

Forza is only one game though, and probably one of the ones that works better.

 

We need to wait to see for sure, but I doubt it would be on par with a 1070, personally.

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

A Fury? 

Which is behind a 1070 by another 10% 

[Drak3]

29 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

How would it be as good as a 1070? 6 tflops is like an rx 480 plus 5-10%, which is not above a 1070.

An RX 480 can hit 6TFlops at the reference boost clock, the referenc3 GTX 1070's base speed equates to 6.5 or so. On a level playing field, it's not far behind.

But comparing, spec for spec, a console vs a PC is not a level playong field. With Scorpio's release, there will only be two sets of hardware to optimize for, One and Scorpio, and 90% of optimization work applied to one is applied to the other, since they're running hardware that is extremely close togetjer in design.

With a PC, on the other hand, you can have thousands of combinations and can only optimize for so many of them. That's the big reason the RX480 sees the same gaming performance as the 1060, it's not well optimized for.

 

I can see the Scorpio being able to push the same, or slightly better results than the 1070. If the TFlops number is just GPU horsepower.

[DocSwag]

24 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

An RX 480 can hit 6TFlops at the reference boost clock, the referenc3 GTX 1070's base speed equates to 6.5 or so. On a level playing field, it's not far behind.

But comparing, spec for spec, a console vs a PC is not a level playong field. With Scorpio's release, there will only be two sets of hardware to optimize for, One and Scorpio, and 90% of optimization work applied to one is applied to the other, since they're running hardware that is extremely close togetjer in design.

With a PC, on the other hand, you can have thousands of combinations and can only optimize for so many of them. That's the big reason the RX480 sees the same gaming performance as the 1060, it's not well optimized for.

 

I can see the Scorpio being able to push the same, or slightly better results than the 1070. If the TFlops number is just GPU horsepower.

You can't compare across architectures by TFlops though. TFlops is just cores*clocks*2.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

You can't compare across architectures by TFlops though. TFlops is just cores*clocks*2.

When performance outside of gaming matches with the TFlops, regardless of architectures, you can.

Only in gaming does your statement hold much truth, and mainly for the fact that GCN wasn't lucrative enough to take advantage of in games, as it required additional work by developers, for the less popular choice of cards.

[DocSwag]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

When performance outside of gaming matches with the TFlops, regardless of architectures, you can.

Only in gaming does your statement hold much truth, and mainly for the fact that GCN wasn't lucrative enough to take advantage of in games, as it required additional work by developers, for the less popular choice of cards.

And the Scorpio is for gaming...

 

Even for compute you can't do that. There ar either optimizations that need to be made such as getting the scheduler to feed the cores or reducing number of cycles required to complete certain operations, not to mention stuff like FP16 and FP64.

 

If it was all about number of cores and optimizing for them amd wouldn't have switched to gcn from vliw. GCN is much better for compute just because of how the cores are structured.

[themctipers]

6 hours ago, TheEastWind said:

One time I overheard my idiot classmates talking about the XBONE and they were talking about how it had 1 TB storage and that was crazy, then one of then said that the best Gaming PC only has 64 GB. I was infuriated.

i remember talking to someone about the xbox one when it first came out and they told me that if microsoft made a 1tb version, it would be faster than a regular 500gb version because more is better right?

[JoeCoke]

There was that one time my cousin told me his Macbook Pro (early 2011) could beat my PC (in sig) hands down.. And that Adobe just "works" with Mac better, because they "use Macs in Hollywood". CRINGE.... Or when I got 8GB of RAM he told me his iMac had 1TB... Or that time when he said "all professionals use Mac, it's just a fact"... Or any time I bring up specs he brushes it off and says "it doesn't matter, if that mattered then why do they use Macs in Hollywood?". The guy's incredibly smart and talented, but when it comes to tech... Yeah... Nowadays I don't even correct him, I just kinda smile and nod, or change the subject.

 

I'm pretty sure I've posted this before, but jesus christ, I still cringe about that from time to time. Mac users can just be so arrogant even when they don't know a single thing. :I

[Bananasplit_00]

1 hour ago, 2Buck said:

There was that one time my cousin told me his Macbook Pro (early 2011) could beat my PC (in sig) hands down.. And that Adobe just "works" with Mac better, because they "use Macs in Hollywood". CRINGE.... Or when I got 8GB of RAM he told me his iMac had 1TB... Or that time when he said "all professionals use Mac, it's just a fact"... Or any time I bring up specs he brushes it off and says "it doesn't matter, if that mattered then why do they use Macs in Hollywood?". The guy's incredibly smart and talented, but when it comes to tech... Yeah... Nowadays I don't even correct him, I just kinda smile and nod, or change the subject.

 

I'm pretty sure I've posted this before, but jesus christ, I still cringe about that from time to time. Mac users can just be so arrogant even when they don't know a single thing. :I

Your computer isn't a beast but it would smash the mbps face in in rendering because of the quadruple core count lol

[themctipers]

 

 

[GirlFromYonder]

1 minute ago, themctipers said:

 

 

OH BY GOD NO

[NunoLava1998]

Just now, DeezNoNos said:

OH BY GOD NO

yes you can put linux on your ipad. all you have to do is go to a alternate universe where that is possible.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, themctipers said:

 

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/239059/linux_now_runs_on_ipad_tuxedo_optional.html

[themctipers]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/239059/linux_now_runs_on_ipad_tuxedo_optional.html

iphone 3g/3gs/4 can run android

A4 chip has bootrom exploit

 

whats your point?

[GirlFromYonder]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/239059/linux_now_runs_on_ipad_tuxedo_optional.html

linux is for x86

[themctipers]

Just now, DeezNoNos said:

linux is for x86

someone compiled it for apple's A4 (the iPad variant)

[NunoLava1998]

they probably used ARM linux

[GirlFromYonder]

Just now, themctipers said:

someone compiled it for apple's A4 (the iPad variant)

ooh ok....but lol...of he had ASK if he could do that then i would LOVE  it see him compile anything. Max he can do it google what compile means