Apple (OSX) vs The Rest (Windows)

[Guest]

Now before I begin I don't want this to turn into a flaming thread about OSX vs the rest - if it does I will just lock it. Now the general consensus among many people is that Apple laptops are grosly overpriced for what they are. In my hunt for a new laptop I came across something rather interesting - some very different pricing. Keep in mind that these prices are for Australia so they may vary around the world.

 

Note the Dell M7700 does not exist. It was a typo. It was meant to read M6700.

 

I have adjusted each laptop on their website to have roughly the same specs. The price on the Dell M6700 is a little highe due to a $300 addition to get the Quadro card. I do also understand that you're comparing Firepower and Quadro cards to a GTX series card however they perform similarly in benchmarks and in the case of the M6700, that does not excuse the price delta.

 

Now I know that Apples pricing on their lower end laptops isn't exactly amazing but I think the 'overprice'ness is extremely overrated when looking at these laptops.

 

So this is just some food for thought and a bit of a reality check.

[91Chris]

I already knew this... because i'm not ignorant.

[calebp123]

Yah I agree that they aren't "overpriced" but thats only when they first come out with a new model. Linus talked about this on the live stream the other day as you probably know, and yah I don't find it that hard to believe that when a new reboot of apples older models comes out, like now with the mac pro, that they are a competitive solution for the time. With that being said, when they become "overpriced" is when apple doesn't really do much of an update for that model in about 5 years and apple still has the older tech  in the device and is charging the same price for that product as they had been in the previous 5 years.

[Guest GRRigger]

When i went about 8 years ago in Dell store, there was an overpriced dell laptop on a fancy stand. It was really thick, and it was not running any app, and on tuch the keyboard was hot! True that it was summer but still... We ended up buying HP lappy.

Dell has low quality and high price laptops i guess... at least thats my experience not sure  how quality has improved lol.

[nishank93]

You're looking at the top tier professional laptops here. Of course there are overpriced Windows laptops as well (most famously, Alienware). I'm sure you can find laptops similarly specced to the Macbook Pros for a lot less.

[Elbstrand]

Depending on your usecase, some apple products are not overpriced at all. Also you can still install Windows if you want to :P (i would).

[KaareKanin]

Yah I agree that they aren't "overpriced" but thats only when they first come out with a new model. Linus talked about this on the live stream the other day as you probably know, and yah I don't find it that hard to believe that when a new reboot of apples older models comes out, like now with the mac pro, that they are a competitive solution for the time. With that being said, when they become "overpriced" is when apple doesn't really do much of an update for that model in about 5 years and apple still has the older tech  in the device and is charging the same price for that product as they had been in the previous 5 years.

 

Every pre built computer is overpriced when they are nearing the end of that particular update cycle. Linus' argument was more specific towards the Mac Pros, as they have very long update cycles. Apples laptop doesn't.

[Guest]

You're looking at the top tier professional laptops here. I'm sure you can find laptops similarly specced to the Macbook Pros for a lot less.

I did that research based on processor mainly then scaled them evenly with their hardware. The I7 3840QM alone is $600 according to Intel. 

[xXxYOLOxSWAGxXx_420BlazeIt]

There is nothing that can compete with the Macbook Air.

 

There seems to be a thing amongst the children here where they hate everything just because it has an Apple logo on it.

[Andi]

because quadro/firepro cards are stupid expensive? :D

 

Something like a ASUS Zenbook UX51VZ-DB114H has the same stuff like a Macbook, even retina display... 1699€

 

vs Standard Macbook pro 15" retina 2199€.

 

Thats 500€ difference for the brand..Zenbooks have a epic build quality so you can't say apples unibody would cost 500€ more

[calebp123]

Every pre built computer is overpriced when they are nearing the end of that particular update cycle. Linus' argument was more specific towards the Mac Pros, as they have very long update cycles. Apples laptop doesn't.

True but I still don't think they update them enough, specifically the mac pro. I mean I realize it takes time to design a new product but the thing that is really a ripoff is that they are going to charge full price for a piece of tech that is 4 or 5 years old.

[KaareKanin]

I did that research based on processor mainly then scaled them evenly with their hardware. The I7 3840QM alone is $600 according to Intel. 

This, and the fact that those MacBook Pros are considered pro grade laptops (albeit without pro grade gpus)

[91Chris]

Something else people don't factor in is that the quality of the MacBook range, they shit all over anything else.

Linus also said in the stream that companies have caught up.... HAVE. THEY. FUCK. They still make cheap shit, but make it LOOK premium. Just copying apples design queues is enough to give a false sense of quality among consumers.

[KaareKanin]

Something else people don't factor in is that the quality of the MacBook range, they shit all over anything else.

Linus also said in the stream that companies have caught up.... HAVE. THEY. FUCK. They still make cheap shit, but make it LOOK premium. Just copying apples design queues is enough to give a false sense of quality among consumers.

 

Agree. It's a little bit like when HTC made the One X. Everyone kepr raving on about how good the polycarbonate body was and that it rivaled the best in build quality. It just didn't. It was OK and didn't break, but it wasn't premium. When they launched the One though, that was really something.

 

I would compare most laptops out there to the HTC One X, good quality, looked good when it came out and all that. I would compare MacBook Pros to the HTC One. Outstanding

[91Chris]

Yeah, the HTC one is actually very solid. No complaints with that at all.

[heineygoat]

Well that was an eyeopener, thanks Windspeed. I think statistically we (Australians) pay a lot more for electronics. There was a segment on the news about it recently. 

[Ghost]

Does bootcamp emulate windows flawlessly?

 

Windows and Linux is important imo

[Elbstrand]

Does bootcamp emulate windows flawlessly?

 

Windows and Linux is important imo

 

As far as i know there is no emulation done with bootcamp, its just a proprietary kind of dual/multi boot. Also you could just get rid of OSX and install Windows/Linux instead i think.

[NeoZeon]

Bootcamp just installs all the drivers on windows and gives you the loading screen. It works just like normal windows... I have gamed on it all the time.

 

But the other thing that people overlook: apple's battery quality. Apple computers continually last longer, and dont degrade as fast as any of the other brands out there.  My current Mac book pro, early 2011, so over 2 years old, has 246 cycles and 89% of its battery capacity left. Thats ridiculous. I still get 5+ hours of battery life and i have a i7, 16gb of ram, 6750m graphics card, and a 512 ssd. 

[arkon]

To be honest, I love Apple hardware. They're beautiful and generally well-built. And as NeoZeon mentioned, the battery life is awesome.

[Guest]

Ill do this again hopefully tonight with a different price/hardware aim.

[Nit3Rid3R]

Yeah, it is quite overpriced when on the other side you get quadro cards, proper work station cards, so sad apple, you make such beautiful laptops. 

[SirReallySam]

Sorry I don't know what i5 either of them are, I think they were the same, but I can't be sure as I made this a while ago, I agree that some of their products are competitive money wise, some are not, but personally I don't like OSX :)

 

 

Oh also sorry about the cheeky 'why would you buy Mac?' at the bottom I made this for a mate that wanted the Air. :)

[SteepGnomeKing]

I'm confused as to what you are comparing?

The build quality is not the same and the specs are not the same.

 

I agree that sometimes apple is not as overpriced as it seems but I don't get what this really proves, the quoted machines are not a fair comparison. If we are comparing an aluminum notebook to a plastic one compare it to something like an msi force, alienware m15x, or a Sager np8250. You can save a couple hundred from a computer with the same specs and 1080p screen. You just won't be getting the aluminum frame and retina display. Once the 3k msi laptop comes to market we can compare screen resolution also.

[Guest]

I'm confused as to what you are comparing?

The build quality is not the same and the specs are not the same.

 

I agree that sometimes apple is not as overpriced as it seems but I don't get what this really proves, the quoted machines are not a fair comparison. If we are comparing an aluminum notebook to a plastic one compare it to something like an msi force, alienware m15x, or a Sager np8250. You can save a couple hundred from a computer with the same specs and 1080p screen. You just won't be getting the aluminum frame and retina display. Once the 3k msi laptop comes to market we can compare screen resolution also.

I did note that the GPU's though not the same were of similar performance in benchmarks and did not exactly justify the price delta. I also couldn't find any of those laptops available here in Australia.