Seagate now shipping $260 8TB HDD, 3 cents per gig

[LukaP]

Seagate has like the highest failure rate in hdd market, I wonder how these will be

source?

[AlexStriz]

Seagate has like the highest failure rate in hdd market, I wonder how these will be

I am assuming you got that data from the Blackblaze test? I saw that too, but it's not correct.

 

Blackblaze's data is not accurate at all, and should be taken with a grain of salt. Their methodology is extremely flawed and they have not given enough information to be able to make an informed conclusion.  

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index.html

 

Thanks @Blade of Grass 

Quote from here - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/261947-how-much-better-is-wd-black-than-blue/?p=3575391

[dlf]

This is absolutely insane for the price. I won't be picking one up, but it's still really good to see.

 

I think at some point we will pick up a few 8 TB drives - when they are like $100 or so. A few of these could certainly hold all steam games.

[AlexStriz]

It's from a test on BlackBlaze. Tweak town has shown it to be invalid though

 

source?

Pics or it didn't happen /sourcepls

[LukaP]

It's from a test on BlackBlaze. Tweak town has shown it to be invalid though

thats what i thought

[SirSquid]

What's the price per gigabyte on that beast?

Also my only hdd that's failed was a seagate but it lasted 8 years.

[kameshss]

I actually agree with @topsu.

I've had 3 Seagate HDDs in 4 years of time. All ended up in bad sectors and other failures! Didn't like that!

So now using WD for 3 years! No failures or no performance drops at all.

WD Rocks!

 

I like Hitachi (a WD company) and Toshiba too! They make good reliable drives.

 

Source:My personal experience!

[SparkySamZa]

Seagate master race. LOL. Good job Seagate.

aha, seagate a master race, might last for a  short period till WD oh look we got 10   got both drive types in my workstation so i don't judge but it's still fun to watch.

[Recon97]

aha, seagate a master race, might last for a short period till WD oh look we got 10 got both drive types in my workstation so i don't judge but it's still fun to watch.

Nope. I had one and it never failed. Had been using it for 5+ years.

[zacRupnow]

What's the price per gigabyte on that beast?

Also my only hdd that's failed was a seagate but it lasted 8 years.

I'd say 8 years is long enough for 10Tb SSDs to become the same price if this drive lasts that long. Samsung 1250 Pro anyone?

[dlf]

10 TB boot drive and a 10 TB drive for games, then hard drive for other media. Jeez!

[qwertywarrior]

repsot

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/267883-seagate-now-shipping-260-8tb-hdd-3-cents-per-gig/

[ChineseChef]

repsot

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/267883-seagate-now-shipping-260-8tb-hdd-3-cents-per-gig/

 

I hate to be "that guy", but your repost link is to this very article.  We might have a recursion error here...We must go deeper!!!

[qwertywarrior]

I hate to be "that guy", but your repost link is to this very article.  We might have a recursion error here...We must go deeper!!!

ahh crap i meant to post this in a repost

instead i posted it here lol

[That Norwegian Guy]

Does anyone find it odd that there is NO RPM value given in any of the material on this thing?

 

Still, I checked the price here in Norway, it's coming in at around 2.200 NOK which is cheaper than a WD Red 6TB drive. Badass.

[dalekphalm]

Does anyone find it odd that there is NO RPM value given in any of the material on this thing?

 

Still, I checked the price here in Norway, it's coming in at around 2.200 NOK which is cheaper than a WD Red 6TB drive. Badass.

It, much like the WD Green, probably uses an energy saver intelligent RPM design, somewhere in the range of 5200 to 5900 (Greens and Reds are around 5900), but it will have a fairly large variable range to save power when minor access to the drive is being made.

 

So no, I don't find it odd. I don't expect this drive to be 7200 RPM.

 

Edit: Also, this drive is not entirely comparable to a WD Red. They're designed for different usage scenarios. WD Red drives will likely be a little faster, especially since the Seagate drive uses Shingling technology, which inherently means slower reads when different data is in a similar physical location.

 

The WD Red is also RAID and NAS rated. Does anyone know if these Seagate drives have TLER?

[That Norwegian Guy]

It, much like the WD Green, probably uses an energy saver intelligent RPM design, somewhere in the range of 5200 to 5900 (Greens and Reds are around 5900), but it will have a fairly large variable range to save power when minor access to the drive is being made.

 

So no, I don't find it odd. I don't expect this drive to be 7200 RPM.

 

Edit: Also, this drive is not entirely comparable to a WD Red. They're designed for different usage scenarios. WD Red drives will likely be a little faster, especially since the Seagate drive uses Shingling technology, which inherently means slower reads when different data is in a similar physical location.

 

The WD Red is also RAID and NAS rated. Does anyone know if these Seagate drives have TLER?

 

You just told me a bunch of stuff I already know apart from the part where you disagree with how not listing RPM value (variable or not) is poor marketing ethic.

 

Is it a quantifiable statistic? It needs to be documented. No ifs ands or buts. But I guess a large portion of US companies base their business model on selling things to people who are kept in the dark as much as possible under the furthest extent of the law. (Which in the case of USA is faaaaaar)

[patrickjp93]

Does anyone find it odd that there is NO RPM value given in any of the material on this thing?

 

Still, I checked the price here in Norway, it's coming in at around 2.200 NOK which is cheaper than a WD Red 6TB drive. Badass.

It's 5900 RPM.

[patrickjp93]

Nah, no point, WD just released their 10TB helium HDD to counter at only 2.2 cents per GB. It'll be on shelves by Christmas.

[dalekphalm]

You just told me a bunch of stuff I already know apart from the part where you disagree with how not listing RPM value (variable or not) is poor marketing ethic.

 

Is it a quantifiable statistic? It needs to be documented. No ifs ands or buts. But I guess a large portion of US companies base their business model on selling things to people who are kept in the dark as much as possible under the furthest extent of the law. (Which in the case of USA is faaaaaar)

Can you specifically point out where I disagreed with you on this matter? Since, I do believe that I didn't even touch on the subject of poor marketing ethic... But thank you for assuming a position I have not stated.

 

Whether you agree with their marketing tactics or not should not reflect on whether you find it odd. Perhaps you just weren't clear in what you meant in the post that I quoted.

 

Is it odd? No. It's quite normal in fact for HDD manufacturers to use tactics like that (Such as measuring HDD's in SI - eg: 1TB = 1000GB -  rather than listing in Binary (1TB = 1024GB).

 

Is it wrong? Yes, probably. Just like listing HDD sizes in SI rather than in Binary is.

 

But odd and wrong are not the same things. Just saying.

 

It's 5900 RPM.

As I thought it would be. Seems to be the trend for high capacity drives - especially since this is an "Archive" drive, and thus, they don't expect you to be constantly accessing it.

[That Norwegian Guy]

But odd and wrong are not the same things. Just saying.

 

Row, row, row your boat... They are one and the same in this context, as you can see I capitalized an entire word for emphasis: "Does anyone find it odd that there is NO RPM value given in any of the material on this thing?"

This is universal for all forums, so take it with you on your travels; it indicates a sarcastic tone to infer that something is wrong or off about the object in question. Read it out loud in your head with the same emphasis on "NO". It's super simple stuff.

[wpirobotbuilder]

This is so exciting. Especially since their 6TB drives originally shipped at a more expensive price point. Bottom line is that, if you need this kind of storage space, you probably don't need high performance (e.g. movie storage).

 

I don't know if I'll ever need this kind of storage space, but it is an awesome offering.

 

Personal experience. Out of 7 HDD's (where 2 were SSHD's), 7 out of 7 have stopped working, and are now just bricks.. shortest one was this http://i.imgur.com/embRtLG.jpg piece of shit. It only lasted 28 days before it stopped working.

 

At this point, after so many incidents, I've completely lost faith in Seagate.

I'm not saying this to slam them without reason, because I heard something "on the internet", I'm just saying from my personal experience with their products.. I will never again buy their products.

 

What drives were you running, and what exactly were you doing with them? If you use a drive in an inappropriate environment, then of course you will end up with failures. For instance, running consumer grade drives in a hot chassis, placed close together. Or you could just have been unlucky and gotten bad drives and/or had a bad postal carrier.

[patrickjp93]

Can you specifically point out where I disagreed with you on this matter? Since, I do believe that I didn't even touch on the subject of poor marketing ethic... But thank you for assuming a position I have not stated.

 

Whether you agree with their marketing tactics or not should not reflect on whether you find it odd. Perhaps you just weren't clear in what you meant in the post that I quoted.

 

Is it odd? No. It's quite normal in fact for HDD manufacturers to use tactics like that (Such as measuring HDD's in SI - eg: 1TB = 1000GB -  rather than listing in Binary (1TB = 1024GB).

 

Is it wrong? Yes, probably. Just like listing HDD sizes in SI rather than in Binary is.

 

But odd and wrong are not the same things. Just saying.

 

As I thought it would be. Seems to be the trend for high capacity drives - especially since this is an "Archive" drive, and thus, they don't expect you to be constantly accessing it.

Nope, WD's 10TB will be coming out in 7200 RPM. Seagate just fell behind, as usual.

[DudeWazap]

I've never had good luck with Seagate drives. I'd prefer WD.

[patrickjp93]

This is so exciting. Especially since their 6TB drives originally shipped at a more expensive price point. Bottom line is that, if you need this kind of storage space, you probably don't need high performance (e.g. movie storage).

 

I don't know if I'll ever need this kind of storage space, but it is an awesome offering.

 

 

What drives were you running, and what exactly were you doing with them? If you use a drive in an inappropriate environment, then of course you will end up with failures. For instance, running consumer grade drives in a hot chassis, placed close together. Or you could just have been unlucky and gotten bad drives and/or had a bad postal carrier.

Google doesn't even run enterprise grade drives and they're fine (Source: Dr. Keith Fricken, current google DBA and former professor of Miami University).