AMD crash defender makes system lag like hell, wtf AMD?

[Mark Kaine]

Anyone else have this, like why does it even get installed if you have a Nvidia GPU???

 

Recent windows update must have either installed or enabled this "service" because I never saw it running before, there always has been a "3d-v cache optimizer" which is a different service and doesn't even make sense cause my 7940hx is not a 3d chip (afaik) but that never made issues so I let it run anyways,but AMD "crash defender" OMG constant lag and stutters, and as soon you disable it they completely disappear.

 

I actually question how this is legal?  Are they sabotaging Nvidia or just plain stupid?  (Any AMD employees here? lol)

 

Same thing happened on my desktop PC couple of years ago...since disabling "AMD crash defender" there too the issues obviously completely vanished too...

 

Seriously I'm mad, whole day trying to figure out what's wrong just to find it's this ultra useless "service" that I didn't even install... 

[GuiltySpark_]

44 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

why does it even get installed

A quick google tells me its installed with AMD Adrenaline or possibly as part of the chipset package. In many years of AMD systems i've never heard of it being an issue. I just checked and its running on both of my rigs, Ryzen 7000 and 5000. Never heard a peep from it. One of which has an Nvidia GPU but at some point I had Adrenaline for my iGPU.

 

You have an isolated problem that most don't suffer from but you make a lot of threads with weird issues so this isn't too surprising. 

 

44 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

I actually question how this is legal? 

What would be illegal? 

 

44 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Are they sabotaging Nvidia or just plain stupid?

Take off the tin foil hat.

 

44 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

that I didn't even install...

You did, probably just didn't read the fine print. None of us do. 

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

You did, probably just didn't read the fine print. None of us do. 

I didn't... I'm not Asus lol... (the service specifically was most likely there from the start, I've just never seen it before yesterday when it started hogging up my taskmanager, together with several other mysterious new "AMD processes")

 

1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

You have an isolated problem

Actually I've seen people say this a few times, it's also not isolated because the same problem also occurs on my PC (different hardware, different OS version)

 

1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

its installed with AMD Adrenaline or possibly as part of the chipset package.

Yes, either or ( but why?) but also

2 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Recent windows update must have either installed or enabled this "service" because I never saw it running before, there always has been a "3d-v cache optimizer" which is a different service

 

It wasn't there before the update, it's got an entirely new entry (with a different name) in startup too...

 

The really annoying part is that you can't easily uninstall this "program" you can just disable it.  It makes zero sense, this is *not* needed for AMD CPUs, and while my CPU has an iGPU (sadly) it's disabled fully in bios and nvidia settings... Yet windows or AMD thinks this should actually run (for some reason)

 

1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

In many years of AMD systems i've never heard of it being an issue. I just checked and its running on both of my rigs, Ryzen 7000 and 5000. Never heard a peep from it.

Maybe you didn't notice? I certainly do when my games suddenly stutter every 15 seconds or so instead of never dropping a frame. 

 

 

1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

What would be illegal? 

 

Sabotaging Nvidia would lol.

 

Idk but I'm fairly certain this only (usually) happens with AMD systems that have a non AMD GPU installed (although that's ofc speculation, it would be worth investigating)

 

 

 

[BetteBalterZen]

5 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Anyone else have this, like why does it even get installed if you have a Nvidia GPU???

 

Recent windows update must have either installed or enabled this "service" because I never saw it running before, there always has been a "3d-v cache optimizer" which is a different service and doesn't even make sense cause my 7940hx is not a 3d chip (afaik) but that never made issues so I let it run anyways,but AMD "crash defender" OMG constant lag and stutters, and as soon you disable it they completely disappear.

 

I actually question how this is legal?  Are they sabotaging Nvidia or just plain stupid?  (Any AMD employees here? lol)

 

Same thing happened on my desktop PC couple of years ago...since disabling "AMD crash defender" there too the issues obviously completely vanished too...

 

Seriously I'm mad, whole day trying to figure out what's wrong just to find it's this ultra useless "service" that I didn't even install... 

A fix for now could be a Windows Task Scheduler job that kills this service after fx 5 minutes after login. 5 minutes to make sure the service actually has started before the task tries to kill it. I did this with ASUS' Armoury Crate RGB service, as it pulled between 5-10% CPU usage on my 8700K back then. 

I now own a 9800X3D and I have zero issues, whatsoever. I'm using latest drivers and have an RTX 5080. 

[MarkPol88]

5 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Idk but I'm fairly certain this only (usually) happens with AMD systems that have a non AMD GPU installed (although that's ofc speculation, it would be worth investigating)

I have a full AMD system and believe me, AMD is sabotaging it as well as any other

 

Also if you are "fairly certain" and later write that this is "speculation" - isn't it a bit of oxymoron?

[Mark Kaine]

5 hours ago, BetteBalterZen said:

A fix for now could be a Windows Task Scheduler job that kills this service after fx 5 minutes after login. 5 minutes to make sure the service actually has started before the task tries to kill it. I did this with ASUS' Armoury Crate RGB service, as it pulled between 5-10% CPU usage on my 8700K back then. 

Hmm, yeah that could be a last resort fix, for now I hope it stays off, it at least did on my desktop win10 PC (so far) but there's also no AMD GPU drivers installed unlike on my laptop (idk if I can just uninstall the AMD GPU driver, I mean I'll never use this iGPU, it's weak and makes everything lag, even if not actively used - that's why I turned it off in the first place)

 

5 hours ago, BetteBalterZen said:

I now own a 9800X3D and I have zero issues, whatsoever. I'm using latest drivers and have an RTX 5080. 

For now at least!

 

2 hours ago, MarkPol88 said:

I have a full AMD system and believe me, AMD is sabotaging it as well as any other

Ok, fair enough

 

I mean I get it, it's mostly a windows issue with how aggressively windows 11 install random stuff (in "security" updates no less) but it's also AMD, I mean they wrote this malware kind of software (afaik all it does is "phone home"...)