Why a lot people still defending GPU that have 8Gb VRAM ?

[Winterlight]

I can't understand why a lot people still defending GPU that have 8Gb VRAM ? Even plenty proof that 8 Gb VRAM this days not enough anymore and it struggling run majority latest games. There is still plenty people who say that 8 Gb VRAM is fine and plenty people who still buy new gen GPU with 8 Gb VRAM even it super over price. I think 8Gb VRAM basically shouldn't exist in any GPU that cost more 200 Euro.

[Ralf]

By the time you need more than 8GB vram, the gpu power will be insufficient anyway.

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

I can't understand why a lot people still defending GPU that have 8Gb VRAM ? Even plenty proof that 8 Gb VRAM this days not enough anymore and it struggling run majority latest games. There is still plenty people who say that 8 Gb VRAM is fine.

People also say that the moon landing never happened and that the earth is flat.  A lot of stupidity out there  

8GB is fine for very light titles and most E-Sports games but that the GPU manufacturers are making 8GB models at all is bullshit.  It should not be a thing in 2025.  

Just do 12GB for the lowest end cards and 16GB for the others.  

 

[Blue4130]

5 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

I can't understand why a lot people still defending GPU that have 8Gb VRAM ? Even plenty proof that 8 Gb VRAM this days not enough anymore and it struggling run majority latest games. There is still plenty people who say that 8 Gb VRAM is fine and plenty people who still buy new gen GPU with 8 Gb VRAM even it super over price. I think 8Gb VRAM basically shouldn't exist in any GPU that cost more 200 Euro.

Because it's 2025 and basically EVERYTHING is more than $200 now. Also, some people just really DON'T need more than 8 gb. My sister for example. She does some light design work. igpu is too weak and 16 gb GPU's would be wasted on her. 

 

The big problem is the marketing. Don't try to sell the 8 gb cards as amazing gaming experiences. Sell it as a solid step up from an igpu.

[freeagent]

My other computer has a 3070Ti in it, runs games just fine according to my son. Sure if you want to max all settings you can cripple it.. but I can cripple my 12GB GPU too. 

 

But erryone wants to be hardcore, so go be hardcore 

[Dedayog]

22 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

I can't understand why a lot people still defending GPU that have 8Gb VRAM ? Even plenty proof that 8 Gb VRAM this days not enough anymore and it struggling run majority latest games. There is still plenty people who say that 8 Gb VRAM is fine and plenty people who still buy new gen GPU with 8 Gb VRAM even it super over price. I think 8Gb VRAM basically shouldn't exist in any GPU that cost more 200 Euro.

Read the massive thread people are having.

 

 

No need to rehash it all again.

 

 

[WereCat]

1 hour ago, Ralf said:

By the time you need more than 8GB vram, the gpu power will be insufficient anyway.

There are already several games where the GPU performance is more than enough sufficient but the VRAM is the limitation.... 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

There are already several games where the GPU performance is more than enough sufficient but the VRAM is the limitation.... 

I am of the opinion that if you can afford $60, $70, $80 games...

 

You should be able to afford a better GPU.

 

But I realize that kids save up for a game, and convincing their parents to buy a badass GPU isn't in the cards.

 

If you're an adult... then you make your own priorities and budgets. 

 

Life is life.  Afford what you can afford, enjoy what you have.

 

 

[WereCat]

36 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

I am of the opinion that if you can afford $60, $70, $80 games...

 

You should be able to afford a better GPU.

 

But I realize that kids save up for a game, and convincing their parents to buy a badass GPU isn't in the cards.

 

If you're an adult... then you make your own priorities and budgets. 

 

Life is life.  Afford what you can afford, enjoy what you have.

 

 

You can have an opinion but thats a wrong opinion  You know sales exist, right?

Also most people buy whole PCs not just cards so if you spend $1k+ on a PC that has 8GB VRAM on a GPU youre already limited in multiple games TODAY, not to say that it will get worse in the future.

 

FURTHERMORE...

 

8GB cards with 8x PCIe lanes are severely more limited in older motherboards than the 16GB version of the same card as well, most people keep forgetting that as well. So if you want a "low budget 8GB"  card for your older build you are getting screwed even more.

[thrasher_565]

from what i gathered they are offering settings that it can do but when using the settings it falls flat on its face and people are using them for 1440p because to the price point. its a 1080p card but because of the price it falls in to 1440p.

 

its like the ray tracing 3060 you getting like 40 fps with out it turn it on and you get like 20 fps...why is it there...

[jordanbuilds1]

51 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

I am of the opinion that if you can afford $60, $70, $80 games...

 

You should be able to afford a better GPU.

 

But I realize that kids save up for a game, and convincing their parents to buy a badass GPU isn't in the cards.

 

If you're an adult... then you make your own priorities and budgets. 

 

Life is life.  Afford what you can afford, enjoy what you have.

 

 

i always find it amusing whenever people say that, because what if the person spent thier ENTIRE budget on something. just because you bought an 1000 dollar pc doesnt mean you necessarily have another thousand, hell maybe your job doesnt pay you enough to make that next 1000 quick. 

[Eigenvektor]

2 hours ago, Ralf said:

By the time you need more than 8GB vram, the gpu power will be insufficient anyway.

Take a look at recent reviews for the RTX 5060 Ti 8 GB and RX 9060 XT 8 GB. There are a fair number of benchmarks where the 16 GB model outperforms them by a lot, even at 1440p.

 

For example in Indiana Jones, they compare the 8 GB vs 16 GB card, while using Low settings for the 8 GB model and Very Ultra for the 16 GB model. Despite that the 16 GB model outperforms the 8 GB model.

 

It's even worse on older systems with PCIe 4.0 or even 3.0

 

[starsmine]

2 hours ago, Ralf said:

By the time you need more than 8GB vram, the gpu power will be insufficient anyway.

thats wrong

that has always been wrong. thats not how RAM works. 

[starsmine]

29 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

from what i gathered they are offering settings that it can do but when using the settings it falls flat on its face and people are using them for 1440p because to the price point. its a 1080p card but because of the price it falls in to 1440p.

 

its like the ray tracing 3060 you getting like 40 fps with out it turn it on and you get like 20 fps...why is it there...

I often use RT on a 3060?

also, its not a 1080p card.
I still dont know when this modern idea of a card being a resolution came to being. thats not a thing.

like you can play games at 1600p on a GTX 480

[Eigenvektor]

3 minutes ago, starsmine said:

that has always been wrong. thats not how RAM works.

This.

 

Increasing texture details requires virtually no additional performance, it only requires you to have enough VRAM. And many modern titles use a lot of high res textures and as such require a ton of VRAM.

 

If you don't, then either performance tanks, or visuals get worse (because the game automatically uses lower res textures) or the game simply crashes (because the dev didn't add any strategy to deal with too little memory)

 

Performance may tank not because it requires additional render performance, but because the data that doesn't fit in to local memory (VRAM) now has to be fetched from system memory (RAM) using a much lower bandwidth connection (PCIe bus). This issue gets worse if you only have PCIe 4.0 or 3.0, because of the lower bandwidth and even worse when the card (e.g. RX 5060 Ti) only has x8 lanes (the RX 9060 XT has x16 lanes, so actually fares a bit better in this case).

[Dedayog]

41 minutes ago, WereCat said:

You can have an opinion but thats a wrong opinion  You know sales exist, right?

Also most people buy whole PCs not just cards so if you spend $1k+ on a PC that has 8GB VRAM on a GPU youre already limited in multiple games TODAY, not to say that it will get worse in the future.

 

FURTHERMORE...

 

8GB cards with 8x PCIe lanes are severely more limited in older motherboards than the 16GB version of the same card as well, most people keep forgetting that as well. So if you want a "low budget 8GB"  card for your older build you are getting screwed even more.

Who says people are buying 8GB cards with only 8x PCIe lanes? 

 

You, and others, are cherry picking to make an argument.

 

I could say 16GB isn't enough, as a few games will break this at 4K.  So should we start a new thread for that?

 

No.  A few outliers don't make a rule. 

 

Besides, with as many people using 8GB cards to play games you'd think that means they're acceptable?  Are they just ignorant?  Or is 8GB just not the death sentence everyone is screaming about?  it really isn't, and plays games just fine.  Keep it in perspective.  You don't pair an 8GB card with a 9800X3D, so don't use that as a control.  Use what people actually have.  A 5600 and an 8GB card for example are a fine pairing.

 

It's about balance, not extremes.

 

I'm pretty sure VRAM just joined Future Proofing and Bottleneck.

 

I'll go enjoy my 8GB 6650XT while you all tell me it sucks.  Cya.

[WereCat]

16 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Who says people are buying 8GB cards with only 8x PCIe lanes? 

 

You, and others, are cherry picking to make an argument.

 

RTX 5060 and RTX 5060 ti only have 8 lanes. They are severely hindered in older boards with PCIe 3.0 slots with the 8GB version while the 16GB performs mostly fine.

 

16 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

I could say 16GB isn't enough, as a few games will break this at 4K.  So should we start a new thread for that?

 

No.  A few outliers don't make a rule. 

We are talking about "low budget" cards. And it's not "few outliers", there are many new games releasing where 8GB is an issue. I'm not saying you can't play new games with 8GB VRAM, I'm saying there are games where you could play those games at MUCH HIGHER settings just fine if you had more VRAM, the GPU is powerfull enough to do it. And more and more games are releasing where this is starting to be an issue.

 

16 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Besides, with as many people using 8GB cards to play games you'd think that means they're acceptable?  Are they just ignorant?  Or is 8GB just not the death sentence everyone is screaming about?  it really isn't, and plays games just fine.  Keep it in perspective.  You don't pair an 8GB card with a 9800X3D, so don't use that as a control.  Use what people actually have.  A 5600 and an 8GB card for example are a fine pairing.

What?

Most people have 8GB because most affordable cards have 8GB.... if the cards had more VRAM then more people would have cards with more VRAM...  And we had affordable 8GB cards since like 2016 so about 9 years?

 

Yes, I'm saying exactly that. Most people pair those cards with older systems which are severely more limiting as those cards are now PCIe 5.0 with 8 lanes and on older system you have at best PCIe 4.0 but typically still 3.0 which is a MASSIVE performance impact to your 8GB card.

 

16 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

It's about balance, not extremes.

 

I'm pretty sure VRAM just joined Future Proofing and Bottleneck.

 

I'll go enjoy my 8GB 6650XT while you all tell me it sucks.  Cya.

I'm not talkinb about any extremes. Is 1080p gaming an extreme now?...

 

And I'm not saying you can't play games with 8GB VRAM... I'm saying that 8GB cards are rapidly approaching the end of life and it's stupid to buy a 8GB card that already can't run some games at certain settings despite the card itself being powerful enough to do it. It's just stupid. Just look at RTX 3060 12GB, it can play some games at better settings with better perofmance than RTX 5060 ti 8GB... 

 

There is so much evidence around that 8GB is just a way for AMD/NVIDIA to make you buy next card sooner as even today it's starting to be a severe limitation. IDK why that is so difficult to see. Those cards are not even cheap to justify that.

[starsmine]

43 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Who says people are buying 8GB cards with only 8x PCIe lanes? 

People have a choice?
RTX 4060, 8x Lanes
RTX 4060 ti, 8x lanes

RTX 5060, 8x lanes
RTX 5060 ti, 8x Lanes

RX 6650XT, 8x lanes
RX 7600, 8x lanes

The only modern 8GB card that is x16 is the RX 9060 XT 8GB

43 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

 

You, and others, are cherry picking to make an argument.

 

I could say 16GB isn't enough, as a few games will break this at 4K.  So should we start a new thread for that?

 

No.  A few outliers don't make a rule. 

Its not a few outliers, its all console ports at this point that are coming out this year. 

43 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Besides, with as many people using 8GB cards to play games you'd think that means they're acceptable?  Are they just ignorant?  Or is 8GB just not the death sentence everyone is screaming about?  it really isn't, and plays games just fine.  Keep it in perspective.  You don't pair an 8GB card with a 9800X3D, so don't use that as a control.  Use what people actually have.  A 5600 and an 8GB card for example are a fine pairing.

 

It's about balance, not extremes.

People with old GPUs that they bough 4 years ago expect new games to begin to have issues. They are not ignorant, but when you buy NEW you expect it to NOT have issues with games that came out two years ago. 

43 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

I'm pretty sure VRAM just joined Future Proofing and Bottleneck.

Look man, I am computer engineer, People are not misunderstanding VRAM like they misunderstand Future proof or bottleneck... Well people are I suppose, like people who think VRAM capacity has some sort of correlation with compute capabilities. 

43 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

I'll go enjoy my 8GB 6650XT while you all tell me it sucks.  Cya.

You just made your point invalid with this. 
We are talking about new to user cards, not 3 generation old GPUs. There is no expectation that an overclocked (6650) mid tier card from 2021(6600) can play games in 2026 at max settings at 1440p

If you have an 8GB card and your current suit of games dont have issues, then dont worry about it, if you are buying a new to you card, avoid all 8GB cards, unless you want to buy a new GPU next year. People dont buy GPUs like that outside of people who buy flagships every generation. and if you recommend someone buy a new to them GPU and it CANT play games that a console can, that is a problem. 

People who buy a 400 dollar GPU TODAY; EXPECT that GPU to be able to play two year old games at max settings at the budget resolution of 1440p. To say that is an unreasonable expectation is unhinged. 
People who buy a 400 dollar GPU TODAY; Expect that GPU to be able to play new games two years from now without stutter issues or asset drop out issues. to say that is an unreasonable expectation is unhinged. 

[Eigenvektor]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

I'll go enjoy my 8GB 6650XT while you all tell me it sucks.  Cya.

No one says your card sucks. We say it sucks that companies still offer new cards with 8 GB in 2025. The cheapest option should come with at least 12 GB. But it doesn't. That's what sucks. If you are forced to buy an 8 GB card, it's not that you made a bad choice, it's that you were forced into a bad choice.

 

I also still use an 8 GB RX 6600 gaming at 1440p, but I certainly would not buy a new card with less than 16 GB… but right now that means I'm on hold, because prices simply aren't attractive.

[starsmine]

3 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

If you are forced to buy an 8 GB card, it's not that you made a bad choice, it's that you were forced into a bad choice.

Or its people who buy a 1400 dollar PC from best buy that has a 5060ti or 9060XT in the spec sheet.... but dont realize the system builder put in a 8GB... or that it even maters until they go home and find it unable to play games at the same settings the base ps5 can. 

[Blue4130]

Everyone that slams on 8gb cards, what is wrong with having more choice? Not everyone is a gamer. Not everyone has a need for 16 gb cards. If you do, that is great. You are covered, just buy the card you need. For those that don't need 16gb, the 8 gb fits their needs. 

 

To me, the only real issue is marketing. I don't mind the names being the same, but they need to label the boxes in a clearer manner. The 8/16 designator should be MUCH larger.

[freeagent]

I love my kid, but I am not buying him a 2K GPU lol. He is perfectly content with a 3070Ti. Even now in 2025 its a decent card. You just have to realize that it is not a high end GPU, so it cant do high end GPU things. 

 

I have to buy a new GPU soon.. my youngest will get the 3070Ti, my eldest will get my 4070Ti.. I don't want a 5070Ti this time lol.. dammit.

[starsmine]

26 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Everyone that slams on 8gb cards, what is wrong with having more choice? Not everyone is a gamer. Not everyone has a need for 16 gb cards. If you do, that is great. You are covered, just buy the card you need. For those that don't need 16gb, the 8 gb fits their needs. 

 

To me, the only real issue is marketing. I don't mind the names being the same, but they need to label the boxes in a clearer manner. The 8/16 designator should be MUCH larger.

Sure, why not 4GB cards, why not 2GB cards?

8GB has a place, in cards sub 200 dollars.

[Blue4130]

8 minutes ago, starsmine said:

Sure, why not 4GB cards, why not 2GB cards?

8GB has a place, in cards sub 200 dollars.

Sure and 5090's should be $800, and I should be able to get a new car for $10,000, and candy for a penny. 

 

All cards are expensive. If you want the 8gb to be $200, what do you think a fair price for a 16 gb card should be? (what is a fair spread between the two)

[starsmine]

5 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Sure and 5090's should be $800, and I should be able to get a new car for $10,000, and candy for a penny. 

 

All cards are expensive. If you want the 8gb to be $200, what do you think a fair price for a 16 gb card should be? (what is a fair spread between the two)

why should the 5090 be 800?

a fair price for a 16GB card is a little over half the price of a ps5... which has 16GB of GDDR6, and is 400 bucks. as you are buying JUST he GPU here to compete with a console that came out... 5 years ago. 

Also, again, why not have 4GB or 2GB cards if its about choice?