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Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: FPS, Tarkov, Rust, KCDII, Cyberpunk, etc.

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Hello, as the title suggests, I am looking for opinions on which GPU is better and more future-proof. In my region, the 5060ti is selling for 550 USD, while the 7800 is selling for 570 USD, so not that big of a difference. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Norw1ck said:

the 5060ti is selling for 550 USD, while the 7800 is selling for 570 USD, so not that big of a difference.

Make sure you're looking at the 5060 Ti 16 GB, not the 8 GB version. How much is the RX 9070 in your region?

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3 minutes ago, Millios said:

Both are not the greatest in price but the 7800xt is a no brainer here

Its 17% to 20% faster in raw raster so unless you care about raytracing and upscalling (for whatever reason) the 7800xt is a no brainer 100%

I really don't know why prices are so high here, especially if we have no tarrifs or anything like that. That being said, I can get it cheaper used, but I'm really afraid of doing that and of what the worst case scenario can be. 

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I really don't know why prices are so high here, especially if we have no tarrifs or anything like that. That being said, I can get it cheaper used, but I'm really afraid of doing that and of what the worst case scenario can be. 

If the you can test the card before paying and see it in person to make sure it isnt a brick or broken then there isnt a reason you shouldnt but going used is indeed a gamble 

What if YOU were cake all along?
 

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5 minutes ago, Norw1ck said:

Yea, I made sure. The 9070 is 830 USD

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/product/XRKnTW/gigabyte-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-9070-16-gb-video-card-gv-r9070gaming-oc-16gd
 

I can find it for $820 (3572.64RON), but that ain't much better

 

tbh might be worth waiting a little while prices continue to drop.

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3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/product/XRKnTW/gigabyte-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-9070-16-gb-video-card-gv-r9070gaming-oc-16gd
 

I can find it for $820 (3572.64RON), but that ain't much better

 

tbh might be worth waiting a little while prices continue to drop.

I'm not up to date with the GPU market, what makes you think the prices will drop? 

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1 minute ago, Eigenvektor said:

Oh wow, that's expensive, considering it should be below $600…

OP isnt from the US and MSRP or ideal prices can vary wildly 

Case in point, where I am it should be about 610 euros and the starting prices are 640ish euros and north of that (tho OPs 820-830 is still WILD)

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I'm not up to date with the GPU market, what makes you think the prices will drop? 

Historical evidence 

Card just came out= prices will almost certainly be higher for a few weeks to a few months

Card isnt that new/has been available for a while= prices are lower than they were at launch

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3 minutes ago, Millios said:

Historical evidence 

Card just came out= prices will almost certainly be higher for a few weeks to a few months

Card isnt that new/has been available for a while= prices are lower than they were at launch

Wasn't the 7800 released a while back?

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Wasn't the 7800 released a while back?

Yes but they also stopped production tmk so the less supply the higher the price could potentially get 

Also in eastern europe some stores are idiots and dont know how to price things (personal experience)

Case in point, Where I am (balkans) some have priced the 7900gre a few hundred euros over the 9070 and 9070 xt 

Since we are speaking about cards that are in production and or still have a fair amount in circulation what I said still applies and what @will0hlep said here

13 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

tbh might be worth waiting a little while prices continue to drop.

Applies for the newer cards too

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6 minutes ago, Norw1ck said:

Wasn't the 7800 released a while back?

Once a card is both outmoded and in short supply, prices can start to do weird things like that.

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Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

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Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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3 minutes ago, Millios said:

Yes but they also stopped production tmk so the less supply the higher the price could potentially get 

Also in eastern europe some stores are idiots and dont know how to price things (personal experience)

Case in point, Where I am (balkans) some have priced the 7900gre a few hundred euros over the 9070 and 9070 xt 

Since we are speaking about cards that are in production and or still have a fair amount in circulation what I said still applies and what @will0hlep said here

Applies for the newer cards too

So I should be waiting for the 5060ti to drop in price and not hope for the 7800xt to get any better?

 

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1 minute ago, Norw1ck said:

So I should be waiting for the 5060ti to drop in price and not hope for the 7800xt to get any better?

I would wait for the 9070's price to drop and avoid the 5060Ti.

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1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticably improve performance past 240mm.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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15 minutes ago, Millios said:

OP isnt from the US and MSRP or ideal prices can vary wildly 

Case in point, where I am it should be about 610 euros and the starting prices are 640ish euros and north of that (tho OPs 820-830 is still WILD)

Yeah, I know. The 9070 is supposed to be 630€ and the XT 690€ around here.The actual price is 650€ (not too bad) and 750€ 😕 They are slowly creeping downwards though, used to be closer or even above 800€ for the XT.

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2 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

I would wait for the 9070's price to drop and avoid the 5060Ti.

I don't expect to be able to increase my budget at all in the future as I have other commitments coming up, so I probably won't be able to spend more than $570 on a GPU this year, and I do want a PC done by this year. Do you think the 9070 could reach that, considering how inflated it is in my region now? I was also contemplating waiting for Black Friday, but I don't know if prices will actually be any better then. Unless that happens, I'd go for the 7800XT

Also, I get that the 5060ti is getting a lot of hate, but is it actually that bad? Isn't it just a decent midrange? 
 

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24 minutes ago, Norw1ck said:

Also, I get that the 5060ti is getting a lot of hate, but is it actually that bad? Isn't it just a decent midrange? 

The hate is usually more directed towards the 8 GB model, which is simply no longer enough VRAM, especially considering its price.

 

In any case, $550 to $570 is a 3% increase in price for a 20% increase in performance, so the 7800 XT makes more sense here. Which is another reason the 5060 Ti is disliked, it doesn't really offer an improvement over previous gen.

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15 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

The hate is usually more directed towards the 8 GB model, which is simply no longer enough VRAM, especially considering its price.

 

In any case, $550 to $570 is a 3% increase in price for a 20% increase in performance, so the 7800 XT makes more sense here. Which is another reason the 5060 Ti is disliked, it doesn't really offer an improvement over previous gen.

Alright, then say if I go for the 7800 XT, what kind of lifetime can I expect from it? How long will it stay relevant and able to put out good FSP on newgen games? 

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8 minutes ago, Norw1ck said:

Alright, then say if I go for the 7800 XT, what kind of lifetime can I expect from it? How long will it stay relevant and able to put out good FSP on newgen games? 

We have a saying where I live which fits this question

"let me smell my fingers/finger nails" or in a more crude way 

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There is no way to say and give you a satisfactory/accurate answer than isnt just guessing and speculating cause the industry is fked RN due to corporate

The only true-ish statement we can give is this 

The Vram wont be a limiting factor for a while cause currently 12gb is ideal if not mandatory and 16 is comfy

What if YOU were cake all along?
 

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6 minutes ago, Millios said:

We have a saying where I live which fits this question

"let me smell my fingers/finger nails" or in a more crude way 

image.gif.93dbee928bab9de531e8edac53b9702a.gif

There is no way to say and give you a satisfactory/accurate answer than isnt just guessing and speculating cause the industry is fked RN due to corporate

The only true-ish statement we can give is this 

The Vram wont be a limiting factor for a while cause currently 12gb is ideal if not mandatory and 16 is comfy

Good enough for me. One other question, unrelated to the GPU. I am cutting a few corners with my RAM. At the end of the day I want 32GB (2x16), but I might be able to only afford one 16GB stick. I'm not shooting myself in the leg, right? It's fine if I run with 1x16 for a while and then just upgrade with 1 more stick of 16GB?

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1 minute ago, Norw1ck said:

Good enough for me. One other question, unrelated to the GPU. I am cutting a few corners with my RAM. At the end of the day I was 32GB (2x16), but I might be able to only afford one 16GB stick. I'm not shooting myself in the leg, right? It's fine if I run with 1x16 for a while and then just upgrade with 1 more stick of 16GB?

Not shooting but definitely hitting your sheens with a scooter cause it can cause issues and 16 isnt that good anymore unless you do VERY light stuff

Just get 2x16 of the cheapest ram you can find and call it a day

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18 minutes ago, Millios said:

Not shooting but definitely hitting your sheens with a scooter cause it can cause issues and 16 isnt that good anymore unless you do VERY light stuff

Just get 2x16 of the cheapest ram you can find and call it a day

Hm, okay. Is CL36 fine for DDR5 6000mhz, or is it too slow and I should go for CL34?

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