9800x3d Reaching 99C in moderate gaming?

[kriptcs]

Greetings everyone, this is how my hwinfo looks after 30 mins of CS2 on 1080p high. I was feeling some thermal throttling in game so I wanted to track temps  and this is how they look.

Specs
9800x3d with a Lian Li Galahad 240 with 2x 120mm gray noctua fans
1x exhaust 140mm noctua fan top mounted
1x exhaust 120mm noctua side  mounted
Fractal Design North case

I am coming from a ryzen 9 7900x and wondering if it's the same deal as with the old then where the CPU would boost to 95C?
Could there be any issues with the cooling?
I was definitely thermal  throttling in game since towards  the beginning of the session I am easily getting 500fps and the more time passes I am getting lows of 240.

Can someone shed some light as to what the issue could be? Thanks

 

[Millios]

Yeah up to 95-96 its normal so you are thermal throttling

What cooler do you have in what case and how are the fans?

[Hinjima]

5 minutes ago, kriptcs said:

Greetings everyone, this is how my hwinfo looks after 30 mins of CS2 on 1080p high. I was feeling some thermal throttling in game so I wanted to track temps  and this is how they look.

Specs
9800x3d with a Lian Li Galahad 240 with 2x 120mm gray noctua fans
1x exhaust 140mm noctua fan top mounted
1x exhaust 120mm noctua side  mounted
Fractal Design North case

I am coming from a ryzen 9 7900x and wondering if it's the same deal as with the old then where the CPU would boost to 95C?
Could there be any issues with the cooling?
I was definitely thermal  throttling in game since towards  the beginning of the session I am easily getting 500fps and the more time passes I am getting lows of 240.

Can someone shed some light as to what the issue could be? Thanks

 

The 9800X3D behaves similar to the 7900x where it will boost to 95c during 100% loads, most of the time.

The X3D CPU's are also a bit tougher to cool due to the stacked 3D Cache.  Expect 95c when running at 100% CPU usage.

 

Seeing 95c during CS2 is not good however. Something is wrong with you cooling, probably.

[Hinjima]

1 minute ago, Millios said:

Yeah up to 95-96 its normal so you are thermal throttling

What cooler do you have in what case and how are the fans?

Dude, you gotta read the posts before answering.

Chillout

[Millios]

1 minute ago, Hinjima said:

Dude, you gotta read the posts before answering.

Chillout

At this point... Imma put the Font size to double what it now is to now miss details

8 minutes ago, kriptcs said:

Specs
9800x3d with a Lian Li Galahad 240 with 2x 120mm gray noctua fans
1x exhaust 140mm noctua fan top mounted
1x exhaust 120mm noctua side  mounted
Fractal Design North case

Well heres the issue or at least A issue

You got a 240mm AIO and a fan that doesnt do much

An air cooler would do better like a PA 120

[kriptcs]

2 minutes ago, Millios said:

At this point... Imma put the Font size to double what it now is to now miss details

Well heres the issue or at least A issue

You got a 240mm AIO and a fan that doesnt do much

An air cooler would do better like a PA 120

I mean if I have *an extra* exhaust that wouldn't mean that my peformance would suffer though would it? Also isn't a 240mm AIO comparable to a tower cooler in peformance?

[Hinjima]

1 minute ago, kriptcs said:

I mean if I have *an extra* exhaust that wouldn't mean that my peformance would suffer though would it? Also isn't a 240mm AIO comparable to a tower cooler in peformance?

The  Lian Li Galahad 240 is fine for the 9800X3D for gaming loads.

I personally use a DeepCool AK620 Digital at only 30% fan speed and its plenty enough even for heavy games like Hell Let Loose.

If it worked with your 7900x then it will work with the 9800X3D, the power draw during gaming should be the same if not a bit lower on the 9800X3D.

 

Have you checked your thermal paste application, mounting pressure and pump speed?

[Millios]

Just now, kriptcs said:

I mean if I have *an extra* exhaust that wouldn't mean that my peformance would suffer though would it?

Woulnd do anything as it is or if you put it as exhaust

 

1 minute ago, kriptcs said:

 Also isn't a 240mm AIO comparable to a tower cooler in peformance?

No and not for a while

Tower coolers have gotter VERY good the past 2-3 years to the point they are within spitting distance of 360mm and some 420mm AIOs

240mm dont quite cut it anymore especially for hotter chips like yours

[kriptcs]

9 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

The 9800X3D behaves similar to the 7900x where it will boost to 95c during 100% loads, most of the time.

The X3D CPU's are also a bit tougher to cool due to the stacked 3D Cache.  Expect 95c when running at 100% CPU usage.

 

Seeing 95c during CS2 is not good however. Something is wrong with you cooling, probably.

So then it begs the question..doing a PBO undervolt would mean that I get better longevity out of the CPU right? As it was with previous gens. I am heavily considering doing that.

I  am also a bit curious. In the benchmarks that LTT did for the 9800x3d they were showing 48C in F1 at  1080p. Even if the game may be GPU heavy (is it?) wouldn't it still mean that the CPU would boost to 95 still? Would've they done some PBO meddling before the benchmarks?

Also we're talking about the 95C boost. My Tdie is up to  99C. I don't think that is very normal is it?

[kriptcs]

Just now, Millios said:

Woulnd do anything as it is or if you put it as exhaust

 

No and not for a while

Tower coolers have gotter VERY good the past 2-3 years to the point they are within spitting distance of 360mm and some 420mm AIOs

240mm dont quite cut it anymore especially for hotter chips like yours

I see. I would still like to retain some aesthetics and upgrade to a 360 AIO. Unless there is a middle ground of performance and looks?

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, kriptcs said:

So then it begs the question..doing a PBO undervolt would mean that I get better longevity out of the CPU right? As it was with previous gens. I am heavily considering doing that.

Possibly.  But in all honesty, it probably wont make a difference.  You will be swapping out that CPU before that comes into play  

2 minutes ago, kriptcs said:

I  am also a bit curious. In the benchmarks that LTT did for the 9800x3d they were showing 48C in F1 at  1080p. Even if the game may be GPU heavy (is it?) wouldn't it still mean that the CPU would boost to 95 still? Would've they done some PBO meddling before the benchmarks?

Also we're talking about the 95C boost. My Tdie is up to  99C. I don't think that is very normal is it?

Check your mounting pressure and thermal paste application.

You should not be running at TJmax during CS2, even with a 240mm AIO.

As mentioned. I run my AK620 at a constant 30% fan speed and thats plenty enough cooling.

I also run my CPU at 5.6Ghz overclock, up from 5.2Ghz stock.

[Millios]

1 minute ago, kriptcs said:

I see. I would still like to retain some aesthetics and upgrade to a 360 AIO. Unless there is a middle ground of performance and looks?

I mean... you could get a cheap good AIO like a LF III and put whatever fans you want

Depending on where you are you could get some good deals on ASUS and Deepcool AIOs that are fine looking imo

[DoctorNick]

1 hour ago, Hinjima said:

Possibly.  But in all honesty, it probably wont make a difference.  You will be swapping out that CPU before that comes into play  

Check your mounting pressure and thermal paste application.

You should not be running at TJmax during CS2, even with a 240mm AIO.

As mentioned. I run my AK620 at a constant 30% fan speed and thats plenty enough cooling.

I also run my CPU at 5.6Ghz overclock, up from 5.2Ghz stock.

That's pretty impressive. Does that mean it's colder than the 5800x3d (you had one at some point, right?)

[Hinjima]

6 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

That's pretty impressive. Does that mean it's colder than the 5800x3d (you had one at some point, right?)

No, I had a Ryzen 7700x with PBO and -30 Curve Optimizer

My 9800X3D is running 10x Scalar, PBO and -25 Curve Optimizer with manual overclock on the cores.

I still sit around 70-85c during heavy gaming but thats fine with 30% fan speed, perfectly fine temperatures while my PC is being silent.

My Fractal Torrent definitely help with airflow.

[Haswellx86]

2 hours ago, Hinjima said:

The X3D CPU's are also a bit tougher to cool due to the stacked 3D Cache.  Expect 95c when running at 100% CPU usage.

Not true for Zen 5. The 3D Cache is under the CCD so they should be not any tougher to cool.

[Hinjima]

38 minutes ago, Haswellx86 said:

Not true for Zen 5. The 3D Cache is under the CCD so they should be not any tougher to cool.

You are right. I was thinking of Zen 4.

[xg32]

10 hours ago, kriptcs said:

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ur problem is likely a combo of a weak 240 and low airflow, seeing that ur cpu is drawing 90-120w  and i'd try an undervolt first, if that isn't enough, fix the airflow problem with the case.

[freeagent]

I agree. The wattage that your CPU is sipping does not jive with your temps. Regardless of what some people are saying.

[kriptcs]

21 hours ago, Hinjima said:

Possibly.  But in all honesty, it probably wont make a difference.  You will be swapping out that CPU before that comes into play  

Check your mounting pressure and thermal paste application.

You should not be running at TJmax during CS2, even with a 240mm AIO.

As mentioned. I run my AK620 at a constant 30% fan speed and thats plenty enough cooling.

I also run my CPU at 5.6Ghz overclock, up from 5.2Ghz stock.

It feels like the application is even and I always make sure to screw the unit in equally on both sides and to tighten it a bit toward the end. Am I missing something or is this not the problem?

[kriptcs]

11 hours ago, freeagent said:

I agree. The wattage that your CPU is sipping does not jive with your temps. Regardless of what some people are saying.

Right I see it now. What could be causing such heavy power draw?

[kriptcs]

11 hours ago, xg32 said:

ur problem is likely a combo of a weak 240 and low airflow, seeing that ur cpu is drawing 90-120w  and i'd try an undervolt first, if that isn't enough, fix the airflow problem with the case.

I did a -10 in the bios and it seems stable and temps + power draw seems a bit better.
I do notice that I idle at 60C which idk how normal it is so that could be a sign of a cooling issue too I suppose?