RTX 4060 or RTX 5060?

[Mjolnix]

Hello!

 

I made a post earlier today asking the same question, and several of you were kind enough to reply and help me out (you can read it here, though it's no longer relevant). But now I have new information so I am making a new post.

 

I'm building a new PC (PCPartPicker link), and my GPU budget is around €300. I'm primarily going to be gaming on this but I also rely on some AI libraries in my workflow that require an Nvidia GPU. Unfortunately, that rules out AMD and Intel graphics cards for me.

 

That gives me two main options:

RTX 4060 for €307

RTX 5060 for €329

 

Additional context: I'm currently using a GTX 1650 with 4 GB VRAM, which has been sufficient for both my gaming and AI workloads. For reasons I would rather not go into, I’m not considering the used market.

 

I understand both of these cards are bad. But I don't think I have other options. So given this situation, would you recommend going for the newer 5060, or does the 4060 offer some advantage that would make it a better choice despite being an older generation?

 

[Hinjima]

8 minutes ago, Mjolnix said:

Hello!

 

I made a post earlier today asking the same question, and several of you were kind enough to reply and help me out (you can read it here, though it's no longer relevant). But now I have new information so I am making a new post.

 

I'm building a new PC (PCPartPicker link), and my GPU budget is around €300. I'm primarily going to be gaming on this but I also rely on some AI libraries in my workflow that require an Nvidia GPU. Unfortunately, that rules out AMD and Intel graphics cards for me.

 

That gives me two main options:

RTX 4060 for €307

RTX 5060 for €329

 

Additional context: I'm currently using a GTX 1650 with 4 GB VRAM, which has been sufficient for both my gaming and AI workloads. For reasons I would rather not go into, I’m not considering the used market.

 

I understand both of these cards are bad. But I don't think I have other options. So given this situation, would you recommend going for the newer 5060, or does the 4060 offer some advantage that would make it a better choice despite being an older generation?

 

The 5060 IS faster and for not much more that is absolutely the card I would get between the two.

The 4060 offers no advantages over the 5060.

Here is a 10 game average at 1080p and 1440p  

 

In terms of cost per frame its actually really good!.

( Lower is better )  The only problem here is the 8GB VRAM.

[Mjolnix]

1 minute ago, Hinjima said:

The 5060 IS faster and for not much more that is absolutely the card I would get between the two.

The 4060 offers no advantages over the 5060.

Here is a 10 game average at 1080p and 1440p  

Thank you very much for your answer and the screenshots too. This helps! I guess I'm just a little scared to buy something so brand-new because I have seen sometimes issues pop up with cards a few months after release, vs 4060 which has been proven to be fine. But the 5060 being objectively better for only a small price difference probably makes it worth the risk.

[Millios]

4 minutes ago, Mjolnix said:

 I also rely on some AI libraries in my workflow that require an Nvidia GPU. Unfortunately, that rules out AMD and Intel graphics cards for me.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/intel-arc-b580-review-the-new-usd249-gpu-champion-has-arrived/6

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/intel-arc-b580-content-creation-review/

7 minutes ago, Mjolnix said:

I understand both of these cards are bad. But I don't think I have other options. So given this situation, would you recommend going for the newer 5060, or does the 4060 offer some advantage that would make it a better choice despite being an older generation?

I reccomend taking some time to properly research it

Just with a quick google search I could find articles from good sources that say that the b580 is either as good or somewhat better than the 4060 (on par with the 5060 extrapolating) and which is in stark contrast to what you thought

[Mjolnix]

4 minutes ago, Millios said:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/intel-arc-b580-review-the-new-usd249-gpu-champion-has-arrived/6

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/intel-arc-b580-content-creation-review/

I reccomend taking some time to properly research it

Just with a quick google search I could find articles from good sources that say that the b580 is either as good or somewhat better than the 4060 (on par with the 5060 extrapolating) and which is in stark contrast to what you thought

Thank you. Since some of the libraries I use were unavailable on AMD because they required Nvidia, I automatically assumed Intel also cannot run them. I did a quick google right now and found Intel can run some of that stuff but some of it is still not supported or needs some sort of workaround. I will take more time to go through everything I need and see if Intel supports all of it then reconsider this.

[starsmine]

24 minutes ago, Mjolnix said:

Thank you. Since some of the libraries I use were unavailable on AMD because they required Nvidia, I automatically assumed Intel also cannot run them. I did a quick google right now and found Intel can run some of that stuff but some of it is still not supported or needs some sort of workaround. I will take more time to go through everything I need and see if Intel supports all of it then reconsider this.

https://github.com/vosen/ZLUDA

[Hinjima]

40 minutes ago, Mjolnix said:

Thank you very much for your answer and the screenshots too. This helps! I guess I'm just a little scared to buy something so brand-new because I have seen sometimes issues pop up with cards a few months after release, vs 4060 which has been proven to be fine. But the 5060 being objectively better for only a small price difference probably makes it worth the risk.

I have never been worried about buying a brand new GPU on launch.

I bought my GTX 680 on release day,My Radeon 5970 on release day, my R9 290x on release day, 980 Ti on release day, my 2080 Super on release day and my current RTX 4080 on release day

Never had any issues with any of the GPU's.

 

The RTX 5000 series is on the same node as the RTX 4000, there isn't much if any innovation at all... Just increased power draw for some extra performance on the higher end cards.

Buying a 5060 I would consider safe.

[Mjolnix]

4 hours ago, Hinjima said:

I have never been worried about buying a brand new GPU on launch.

I bought my GTX 680 on release day,My Radeon 5970 on release day, my R9 290x on release day, 980 Ti on release day, my 2080 Super on release day and my current RTX 4080 on release day

Never had any issues with any of the GPU's.

 

The RTX 5000 series is on the same node as the RTX 4000, there isn't much if any innovation at all... Just increased power draw for some extra performance on the higher end cards.

Buying a 5060 I would consider safe.

Thank you very very much! I really appreciate you directly answering about things I am asking about! I'm more confident about the 5060 now after seeing your long list of release day purchases  

[Hinjima]

13 minutes ago, Mjolnix said:

Thank you very very much! I really appreciate you directly answering about things I am asking about! I'm more confident about the 5060 now after seeing your long list of release day purchases  

No Problem at all  

The 5060 gets quite a bit of hate for the low VRAM and Nvidia has been getting a ton of shit in the last 1-2 days regarding the launch of the GPU but this is mainly due to how they have handled the media, reviewers and similar.. I dont know if you have seen JayzTwoCents, GN's and Hardware Unboxed's video that came out today and yesterday.

Its not so much about the 5060's performance but more about the entire situation around it.

 

The 5060 overall is a solid performer and for the price its okay. You saw in the slide above by HardwareUnboxed that in cost per frame its the leading card.

Coming from a GTX 1650, this will be an amazing upgrade and you seem to know about the 8GB VRAM and it doesn't bother you that much.

People like to complain but I prefer to be realistic.

Enjoy! 

[starsmine]

  

10 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

No Problem at all  

The 5060 gets quite a bit of hate for the low VRAM and Nvidia has been getting a ton of shit in the last 1-2 days regarding the launch of the GPU but this is mainly due to how they have handled the media, reviewers and similar.. I dont know if you have seen JayzTwoCents, GN's and GamersNexus's video that came out today and yesterday.

 

Its not so much about the 5060's performance but more about the entire situation around it.

... when 2 year old games overflow the VRAM buffer at 1440p, and games today overflow the VRAM buffer at 1080p, and games later this year and next year will overflow the vram buffer at 960p.

It is the 5060's performance. 

VRAM capacity has no effect on performance... until you overflow it and nuke bandwidth. Now the performance of the card is hit. It is explicitly the performance of the card that is controversial. And that performance issue is caused by the 8GB vram buffer. 

10 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

The 5060 overall is a solid performer and for the price its okay. You saw in the slide above by HardwareUnboxed that in cost per frame its the leading card.

Coming from a GTX 1650, this will be an amazing upgrade and you seem to know about the 8GB VRAM and it doesn't bother you that much.

People like to complain but I prefer to be realistic.

And as hardware unboxed said inside the review, those numbers are misleading for the games that throw out textures to not stutter such as monster hunter, so those are not actually equivelent settings. Every single card on that price performance chart that has >8GB of vram is running games that went into that avg frame rate at a true "higher setting". the 8GB cards are not running at effectively lower settings to get that avg framerate to go into that chart. 

If nvidia had just delayed the ending of production of 4060s so they could delay the 5060 for a better supply chain of 3GB VRAM modules to launch a 5060 12GB at sub 330 during the summer, the performance of the card would actually be solid, and okay for its price. 

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, starsmine said:

... when 2 year old games overflow the VRAM buffer at 1440p, and games today overflow the VRAM buffer at 1080p, and games later this year and next year will overflow the vram buffer at 960p.

It is the 5060's performance. 

VRAM capacity has no effect on performance... until you overflow it and nuke bandwidth. Now the performance of the card is hit. It is explicitly the performance of the card that is controversial. And that performance issue is caused by the 8GB vram buffer. 

And as hardware unboxed said inside the review, those numbers are misleading for the games that throw out textures to not stutter such as monster hunter, so those are not actually equivelent settings.

Sure, absolutely.  8GB VRAM is ''not enough'' anymore.

But from OP's original post saying that a GTX 1650 with 4GB VRAM has been sufficient for both the gaming and AI workloads that is being done, the 5060 is a damn solid upgrade.

And OP asked about the 4060 vs the 5060 and I answered that question.

I would have recommended an AMD or Intel equivalent with more VRAM but OP requires an Nvidia GPU for the tasks that are being done.

[starsmine]

1 minute ago, Hinjima said:

Sure, absolutely.  8GB VRAM is ''not enough'' anymore.

But from OP's original post saying that a GTX 1650 with 4GB VRAM has been sufficient for both the gaming and AI workloads that is being done, the 5060 is a damn solid upgrade.

And OP asked about the 4060 vs the 5060 and I answered that question.

I would have recommended an AMD or Intel equivalent with more VRAM but OP requires an Nvidia GPU for the tasks that are being done.

OP does not require Nvidia GPUs for the tasks that are being done. 

 

But the entire market right now is fubar. 

[hollyh88]

11 hours ago, Mjolnix said:

Hello!

 

I made a post earlier today asking the same question, and several of you were kind enough to reply and help me out (you can read it here, though it's no longer relevant). But now I have new information so I am making a new post.

 

I'm building a new PC (PCPartPicker link), and my GPU budget is around €300. I'm primarily going to be gaming on this but I also rely on some AI libraries in my workflow that require an Nvidia GPU. Unfortunately, that rules out AMD and Intel graphics cards for me.

 

That gives me two main options:

RTX 4060 for €307

RTX 5060 for €329

 

Additional context: I'm currently using a GTX 1650 with 4 GB VRAM, which has been sufficient for both my gaming and AI workloads. For reasons I would rather not go into, I’m not considering the used market.

 

I understand both of these cards are bad. But I don't think I have other options. So given this situation, would you recommend going for the newer 5060, or does the 4060 offer some advantage that would make it a better choice despite being an older generation?

 

welp i hope you didnt buy it yet, 9060xt seems to be the better buy

[Mjolnix]

8 hours ago, Hinjima said:

No Problem at all  

The 5060 gets quite a bit of hate for the low VRAM and Nvidia has been getting a ton of shit in the last 1-2 days regarding the launch of the GPU but this is mainly due to how they have handled the media, reviewers and similar.. I dont know if you have seen JayzTwoCents, GN's and Hardware Unboxed's video that came out today and yesterday.

Its not so much about the 5060's performance but more about the entire situation around it.

 

The 5060 overall is a solid performer and for the price its okay. You saw in the slide above by HardwareUnboxed that in cost per frame its the leading card.

Coming from a GTX 1650, this will be an amazing upgrade and you seem to know about the 8GB VRAM and it doesn't bother you that much.

People like to complain but I prefer to be realistic.

Enjoy! 

Yes, I have been following the media situation since a couple of weeks now. Even I watched all those three youtubers as well as Linus who said he can't review cards since they don't exist... the way Nvidia handled this situation is really bad.

I'm very glad you have understood where I'm coming from. I'm a budget gamer and always will be. My demands are very very less, and so is my budget. Plus given the AI development stuff that I'm doing I always notice how the documentation says it works right out of the box on Nvidia with a single click but for other brands you have to do workarounds. So while other brands definitely offer better deals they are just not suitable for me. The reason I'm upgrading is not even the GTX 1650 itself, but because I currently game on a laptop and want to switch to a desktop now. That GPU has been serving me just fine

I appreciate everyone else trying to steer me away from this objectively bad deal with RTX cards but honestly what that card does is already more than what my humble requirements are, while being in my budget and letting me use AI stuff out of the box. So subjectively and realistically its a fine deal for me.

 

Thank you very much for your answers again, I wish you a great week ahead  

[Mjolnix]

9 hours ago, starsmine said:

OP does not require Nvidia GPUs for the tasks that are being done. 

 

But the entire market right now is fubar. 

I appreciate your answers  I went through more research, and actually I do need Nvidia. I am doing a Masters program where AI and its research is a big focus of our modules. Generally, many things work on all cards, but there are some projects that require specific libraries that work out of the box with Nvidia, and for some reason, they need extra steps and workarounds with AMD or Intel, while some are not supported on AMD or Intel at all, and they are at best a "maybe it will work, but you're on your own to figure it out". Sometimes there are forks that are porting these to other cards with some features not fully working etc. And then there are some experimental tools professors and other students are working on that also require Nvidia and have not been tested on other GPUs. If I wish to be a part of that and contribute, I need things working out of the box.

 

There are still workarounds I can do, make things work with WSL, and use alternatives to make other brands work but that's not in every case and also not without a hassle especially for the experimental tools that my profs are building. I still don't have the right words to explain my specific situation which is why in my original post I simply wrote that my AI workflow requires Nvidia GPU.

 

I hate what Nvidia is doing as much as the next person though so I understand.