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Budget: €1500-2000

 

Country: Germany

 

Use Case: I'll be using this computer to develop a disk & cpu bound system. There will be a lot of heavy CPU processing, reads/writes to a PostgreSQL database and model training (gradient boosting machines & bayesian inference) . GPU may be useful in the future, but it's not a priority at this stage

Prototype:

 

[Motherboard]
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2: €189

 

[CPU]
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D: €609 | AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D: €759

Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE: €38

 

[Memory]
G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 2 x 32GB, 6000 MHz, DDR5 RAM, DIMM, CL30: €225


[Disk]

Corsair MP700 Pro Gen5: 209

w/air cooler: 273


[Tower]
 Lian Li LANCOOL 216: €88


[PSU]
Super Flower LEADEX III GOLD UP 850W 80 PLUS Gold Netzteil, PCIe 5.1, ATX 3.1 - 850 Watt, schwarz: €145

 


|Cost ~€ 1500-1650|

 

 

Questions:
* I haven't built a computer in 13 years, so the first thing I want to know is whether my proposed prototype is coherent or whether there are some products I've missed that would make more sense for my goals. I've been out of the space for so long that it was actually a big surprise that my research placed me on the AMD universe rather than Intel's.

* is the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D worth it ? i got a use case where small performance improvements will compound, but I still had doubts when researching this
* I've chosen the Corsair MP700 Pro Gen5 as completely back filling my system is something that I will do and will want to be as fast as possible. I've read that heat and power could be a hassle though when compared to something like the WD SN850X 2TB (149) , and that performance may not be worth it. I'd happily pay for the extra performance though if it's real and tangible in a use case like mine. Also, it's not clear to me whether the dedicated fan is a must have or my build would keep it cool ?

 

 

Looking forward to reading to your comments, criticisms and suggestions. Thanks!

 

 

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19 minutes ago, swarm-traveller said:

Budget: €1500-2000

 

Country: Germany

 

Use Case: I'll be using this computer to develop a disk & cpu bound system. There will be a lot of heavy CPU processing, reads/writes to a PostgreSQL database and model training (gradient boosting machines & bayesian inference) . GPU may be useful in the future, but it's not a priority at this stage

Prototype:

 

[Motherboard]
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2: €189

 

[CPU]
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D: €609 | AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D: €759

Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE: €38

 

[Memory]
G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 2 x 32GB, 6000 MHz, DDR5 RAM, DIMM, CL30: €225


[Disk]

Corsair MP700 Pro Gen5: 209

w/air cooler: 273


[Tower]
 Lian Li LANCOOL 216: €88


[PSU]
Super Flower LEADEX III GOLD UP 850W 80 PLUS Gold Netzteil, PCIe 5.1, ATX 3.1 - 850 Watt, schwarz: €145

 


|Cost ~€ 1500-1650|

 

 

Questions:
* I haven't built a computer in 13 years, so the first thing I want to know is whether my proposed prototype is coherent or whether there are some products I've missed that would make more sense for my goals. I've been out of the space for so long that it was actually a big surprise that my research placed me on the AMD universe rather than Intel's.

* is the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D worth it ? i got a use case where small performance improvements will compound, but I still had doubts when researching this
* I've chosen the Corsair MP700 Pro Gen5 as completely back filling my system is something that I will do and will want to be as fast as possible. I've read that heat and power could be a hassle though when compared to something like the WD SN850X 2TB (149) , and that performance may not be worth it. I'd happily pay for the extra performance though if it's real and tangible in a use case like mine. Also, it's not clear to me whether the dedicated fan is a must have or my build would keep it cool ?

 

 

Looking forward to reading to your comments, criticisms and suggestions. Thanks!

 

 

Do you need the extra 3D-Vcache from the X3D CPU's for your workloads?

Its main benefits is gaming performance.  If you are not going to be gaming then a regular 7950x or 9950x is the way to go.

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9 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Do you need the extra 3D-Vcache from the X3D CPU's for your workloads?

Its main benefits is gaming performance.  If you are not going to be gaming then a regular 7950x or 9950x is the way to go.

I'm not going to game at all on this build.

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32 minutes ago, swarm-traveller said:

Why do you think Intel is a superior architecture ?

It depends on the programs you use. Mind you there have been multiple bios updates released since this review in the link.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-7-265k/14.html

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Not familiar with the workload, but following are some random thoughts that might help in the decision:

  • Zen 5 (9000) has a much better implementation of AVX-512 than Zen 4 (7000). If the software can make use of that, it is worth going for Zen 5.
  • Does the use case have any consideration for the uniformity of CPU cores? AMD CPUs above 8 cores are logically split at L3 level, only unified at ram. If you go X3D, the additional cache is only applied to half the cores.
  • I have the same cooler, and not replaced it. But if I were to build again, I'd get something nicer (quieter under heavy load).
  • Is 64GB enough? In other words, would having more ram benefit your use case?
14 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Do you need the extra 3D-Vcache from the X3D CPU's for your workloads?

Its main benefits is gaming performance.  If you are not going to be gaming then a regular 7950x or 9950x is the way to go.

For consumer use cases gaming might be the main benefit, but it can help in many computational workloads outside of the normal consumer space. After all, it filtered down from the enterprise space. It is a question if OP's use case might benefit from it, especially given the unbalanced approach AMD continues to inflict us with.

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, MSI Ventus 3x OC RTX 5070 Ti, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Alienware AW3225QF (32" 240 Hz OLED)
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 4070 FE, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, iiyama ProLite XU2793QSU-B6 (27" 1440p 100 Hz)
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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I just had one thought. If you are going with any high-end CPU, you might want to consider using an AIO so it does not overheat. some of the best I have seen are the Corsair NAUTILUS 360 RS ARGB 74.37 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler and the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III Pro A-RGB 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler. Besides that and the other suggestions, your build looks great!

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46 minutes ago, porina said:

Not familiar with the workload, but following are some random thoughts that might help in the decision:

  • Zen 5 (9000) has a much better implementation of AVX-512 than Zen 4 (7000). If the software can make use of that, it is worth going for Zen 5.
  • Does the use case have any consideration for the uniformity of CPU cores? AMD CPUs above 8 cores are logically split at L3 level, only unified at ram. If you go X3D, the additional cache is only applied to half the cores.
  • I have the same cooler, and not replaced it. But if I were to build again, I'd get something nicer (quieter under heavy load).
  • Is 64GB enough? In other words, would having more ram benefit your use case?

For consumer use cases gaming might be the main benefit, but it can help in many computational workloads outside of the normal consumer space. After all, it filtered down from the enterprise space. It is a question if OP's use case might benefit from it, especially given the unbalanced approach AMD continues to inflict us with.

Super useful, thank you!
* do you have an idea for which cooler you would go for ?
* i would indeed benefit from having more RAM. The build I chose basically prioritized the speed & latency over the size. I tried to find 2*48GB sticks with comparable speed and latency, but the one I found doesn't work for AMD is my understanding ? (Corsair DIMM 96 GB DDR5-6000, Intel XMP). But if I can get 96GB with 6000MHz and CL30 for AMD, I would pay for for it.

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13 minutes ago, Grady_Smith said:

I just had one thought. If you are going with any high-end CPU, you might want to consider using an AIO so it does not overheat. some of the best I have seen are the Corsair NAUTILUS 360 RS ARGB 74.37 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler and the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III Pro A-RGB 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler. Besides that and the other suggestions, your build looks great!

Thank you! Do you know if i need to buy a cooler for the Corsair disk ?

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I do not know if you need it for the corsair disk, could you send me a link to it?. As for which cooler I would go for, probably the Corsair, because it has really good reviews, really good performance, and also good price to performance from a name brand company (not that ARCTIC is not, but I trust Corsair more).

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Just now, Grady_Smith said:

I do not know if you need it for the corsair disk, could you send me a link to it?. As for which cooler I would go for, probably the Corsair, because it has really good reviews, really good performance, and also good price to performance from a name brand company (not that ARCTIC is not, but I trust Corsair more).

Actually, I do know, I just had to look at the disk. You should probably go with air, because for SSDs there is only one other main option which would be a custom water loop, WHICH IS A PAIN! Also, could you send me the link to the air cooler you are planning to use? Thanks!

Let me know if that helps.

 

Grady Smith

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1 hour ago, swarm-traveller said:

* do you have an idea for which cooler you would go for ?

This cooler is 120mm and I find 140mm ones generally sound better purely from having a larger size thus lower speed for a given airflow. I don't know what is currently optimal but in the past I usually just default to the Noctua D15 as expensive as it is.

 

1 hour ago, swarm-traveller said:

I tried to find 2*48GB sticks with comparable speed and latency, but the one I found doesn't work for AMD is my understanding ?

Corsair Vengeance is available at 6000C30 in 2x48 capacity. Example CMK48GX5M2B6000Z30

I own the 2x16GB and 2x32GB kits of same, and while both I got were marketed as EXPO, the modules have both XMP and EXPO profiles in them.

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, MSI Ventus 3x OC RTX 5070 Ti, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Alienware AW3225QF (32" 240 Hz OLED)
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 4070 FE, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, iiyama ProLite XU2793QSU-B6 (27" 1440p 100 Hz)
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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If you have the budget, I would suggest getting a GPU. Even though you said it was not a priority, you mentioned model training (AI models I assume) and from what I have read GPUs are beneficial when you are working with any type of AI. If you would like GPU suggestions I can put them in a reply.

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1 hour ago, porina said:

This cooler is 120mm and I find 140mm ones generally sound better purely from having a larger size thus lower speed for a given airflow. I don't know what is currently optimal but in the past I usually just default to the Noctua D15 as expensive as it is.

 

Corsair Vengeance is available at 6000C30 in 2x48 capacity. Example CMK48GX5M2B6000Z30

I own the 2x16GB and 2x32GB kits of same, and while both I got were marketed as EXPO, the modules have both XMP and EXPO profiles in them.

CMK96GX5M2B6000C30 is the one I'd looked at, and was discouraged due to it being marketed as XMP. But if i understood you right, that's just marketing and it will work fine with AMD ?

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12 minutes ago, swarm-traveller said:

CMK96GX5M2B6000C30 is the one I'd looked at, and was discouraged due to it being marketed as XMP. But if i understood you right, that's just marketing and it will work fine with AMD ?

 

The rightmost C indicates XMP profiles according to https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/explorer/diy-builder/memory/how-to-decode-your-corsair-memory/?srsltid=AfmBOorEYc-O9r-T9_J4kHY7vzkTOOIm3xSNbY9RJjn6xx4S_xHD3BFL and https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/8528259685901-RAM-How-to-Read-the-CORSAIR-memory-part-number.

 

CMK48GX5M2B6000Z30 for example indicates an EXPO kit. But @porina indicates these kits may also contain XMP along with EXPO ones.

 

Regardless, many AMD motherboards include XMP support in the specifications.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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2 hours ago, swarm-traveller said:

CMK96GX5M2B6000C30 is the one I'd looked at, and was discouraged due to it being marketed as XMP. But if i understood you right, that's just marketing and it will work fine with AMD ?

I can never say with 100% certainty without having tried it myself, but below is the 2x 32GB version I have in my current system. Note it has both XMP and EXPO profiles on it. I also have the 2x 16GB kit of same, and that also reports similarly.

 

I suspect they're the same modules but they change the model depending on if the packaging is marketed as XMP or EXPO, but I don't know that as an absolute.

 

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Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, MSI Ventus 3x OC RTX 5070 Ti, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Alienware AW3225QF (32" 240 Hz OLED)
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 4070 FE, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, iiyama ProLite XU2793QSU-B6 (27" 1440p 100 Hz)
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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Thanks everyone for your help! I ended up going with the following build:

 

[Motherboard]
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2: €189

 

[CPU]
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D: €759
DeepCool AK620 Digital: €65

 

[Memory]
CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 RAM 96GB (2x48GB) 6000MHz CL3: €319

 

[Disk]
Samsung 990 Pro 4TB: €290

 

[Tower]
Lian Li O11 Vision: €160
Noctua NF-A12x25 * 6: €32 * 6

 

[PSU]
Super Flower LEADEX III GOLD UP 850W 80 PLUS Gold: €145

 

 

Feels nice to be back after 13 years. Gonna be a fun weekend 😁

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