AM5 (9700X+B650E) 48GB DDR5 running at 7200MT/s (DOCP enabled) but won't boot with DOCP disabled. What should I do?

[AnimeMangaGamer]

 

The video above shows my initial results right after I installed the 7200MT/s dual channel kit in my AM5 system and they seem to default at 6400MT/s. I was initially afraid it won't even boot and give me the orange led (dram error) but it worked as soon as I boot it up, well at least for me.
 

I recently replaced my 64GB (16GBx4) 6000MT/s kit because I was coming from an Intel platform and switched back to AMD and but wasn't aware AM5 only accepts 2 sticks so I was stuck with only 32GB dual channel 6000MT/s because if I force 4 it would run all 4 @ 3600MT/s. I sold those kits and temporarily was using another 32GB (16GBx2) at 6400MT/s and it was working fine with DOCP enabled or disabled while I was waiting for a new kit I ordered below:

G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal Series 48GB (2 x 24GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 7200 (PC5 57600)F5-7200J3646F24GX2-TR5S

• DDR5 7200 (PC5 57600)
• Timing 36-46-46-115
• CAS Latency CL36
• Voltage 1.40V

I needed more than 32GB so I settled for the 48GB kit above because the 64GB version was too expensive and I really wanted the Trident Z5 Royals.

 

As the video, above everything seemed to work fine until I messed with the DOCP in the BIOS:

Below was the default (I didn't touch anything) right after I swapped in the kits:



But I was curious what would happen if I enabled DOCP and it shows the following settings below:

 

 

 

I applied it, restarted, and hit F2/Del before windows loaded up and went back to BIOS and it seemed to boot just fine and it's now running 7200MT/s

 

 

The main issue I encountered is when I tried to disable DOCP (I was hoping by doing this will revert back to 6400MT/s) and it applied the following settings:

 

 

After doing this my computer was stuck with orange led (dram error) and no matter how long I wait or whether I swap the sticks position and rebooting. It just won't boot and I had no choice but to remove the CMOS battery since I can't reach my motherboards clear CMOS pins.

After I boot it back into the BIOS I enabled DOCP again and these are my final settings so far:

 

I don't know why disabling DOCP will cause my system to not boot and stuck with the orange led (dram error)? Isn't that the default setting when I initially installed the new ram kits and it defaulted to 6400MT/s? Isn't it suppose to be the other way around where by enabling DOCP it runs at 7200MT/s which would result in error and not boot due to stability with AM5?

 

 

Question is, do I just keep my system running like this, how would I know if it'll be stable or not? Should I change things? Because disabling DOCP will result in my system not booting for some reason.

Somehow I regret even messing with the DOCP settings, I could've just left it as is right after I installed the ram. It was already running at 6400MT/s which as advised is the optimal speed to run DDR5 with AM5. What should I do?

Thanks in advance for any help

 

 

[Tetras]

2 hours ago, AnimeMangaGamer said:

Question is, do I just keep my system running like this, how would I know if it'll be stable or not? Should I change things? Because disabling DOCP will result in my system not booting for some reason.
Somehow I regret even messing with the DOCP settings, I could've just left it as is right after I installed the ram. It was already running at 6400MT/s which as advised is the optimal speed to run DDR5 with AM5. What should I do?
Thanks in advance for any help

If it works, it works. I'd just leave it be unless you like messing with this stuff.

 

Is it optimal? No. Will you notice that outside of benchmarks? Also no.

 

In reference to stability, you can use the same stuff OCers do, like TestMem5.

[AnimeMangaGamer]

30 minutes ago, Tetras said:

If it works, it works. I'd just leave it be unless you like messing with this stuff.

 

Is it optimal? No. Will you notice that outside of benchmarks? Also no.

 

In reference to stability, you can use the same stuff OCers do, like TestMem5.

I'm glad to hear that, yeah it was my mistake for messing with it in the first place, I should've just left it alone as soon as I installed the ram. 

I'll try a stability test when I get home and report back. Thanks!

[RONOTHAN##]

My thought is that it's a BIOS bug where when you disable XMP, it sets the voltages and/or memory controller mode to something that doesn't work as 6400 is quite fast for a 9700X, at least in 1:1 mode. 

 

Disable XMP, but also set the SOC voltage to 1.3V and see if that works at all. 

[-rascal-]

Weird that [Auto] would set it to DDR5-6400, when it should be DDR5-5600.

 

As @RONOTHAN## mentioned, I'm wondering if it's a BIOS bug where it's applying the settings that was used with your previous kit at DDR5-6400, even though it's on [Auto]. If you cleared CMOS properly, [Auto] should be DDR5-5600, and enabling DOCP/EXPO should put it at DDR5-7200.

 

I'd check whether you are at 1:1 mode or 1:2 with DDR5-7200.

 

[AnimeMangaGamer]

9 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

My thought is that it's a BIOS bug where when you disable XMP, it sets the voltages and/or memory controller mode to something that doesn't work as 6400 is quite fast for a 9700X, at least in 1:1 mode. 

 

Disable XMP, but also set the SOC voltage to 1.3V and see if that works at all. 

I tried to disable DOCP just now but it got stuck in the unbootable state with the orange dram led error again. By SOC voltage you mean the CPU right? Thanks for the response, I'll try that.
 

8 hours ago, -rascal- said:

Weird that [Auto] would set it to DDR5-6400, when it should be DDR5-5600.

 

As @RONOTHAN## mentioned, I'm wondering if it's a BIOS bug where it's applying the settings that was used with your previous kit at DDR5-6400, even though it's on [Auto]. If you cleared CMOS properly, [Auto] should be DDR5-5600, and enabling DOCP/EXPO should put it at DDR5-7200.

 

I'd check whether you are at 1:1 mode or 1:2 with DDR5-7200.

 

So after running the past couple of hours with my "as is 7200MT/s" setting I went back to BIOS and disabled DOCP again and as I mentioned above it was unbootable so, take out CMOS battery, reboot, BIOS reports default memory speed of 5600MT/s

 

 

What I didn't do is load into Windows or restart my PC after this, I guess I won't know if it'll continue to do the orange led dram error since I skip that step. Sorry I'm tired, I'll try it tomorrow.

What did try and do while I was in the BIOS was manually set the frequency to 6400MT/s

 

So far it's been running fine.

 

How do I check if I'm in 1:1 mode or 1:2?

Thanks so much for the response guys! And sorry for the late response I was busy earlier today and now I'm so tired.

 

[Tetras]

4 hours ago, AnimeMangaGamer said:

What did try and do while I was in the BIOS was manually set the frequency to 6400MT/s

Did you do that with DOCP disabled, immediately after booting at 5600? If so, I'd highly recommend you don't use that setting because the outcome could be memory/OS corruption.

[AnimeMangaGamer]

1 hour ago, Tetras said:

Did you do that with DOCP disabled, immediately after booting at 5600? If so, I'd highly recommend you don't use that setting because the outcome could be memory/OS corruption.

Oh yes, I did, what do I do now 

[Tetras]

1 hour ago, AnimeMangaGamer said:

Oh yes, I did, what do I do now 

You'll be fine in the short term, but in the longer term I'd at least do some proper testing to make sure it is stable. Ideally, you would leave DOCP enabled and then manually change the frequency, which would retain other settings like the memory voltage.

[-rascal-]

There is clearly a bug in the BIOS, if clearing the CMOS actually restores it to [Auto] and defaults to the proper DDR4-5600, while disabling DOCP does not.

 

[Auto] CAN be a double-edge sword. It can be fine, or it can set the voltage(s) too high/low. We fear the latter.

 

As for checking what the frequency/ratio of the MCLK (memory), FCLK (Infinity Fabric), and UCLK (Memory Controller), you would have to check through a monitoring software, like HWiNFO. It doesn't look like ASUS' BIOS monitoring shows that info.

 

I see your FCLK is on [Auto]. When you enable DOCP for DDR5-7200, it could reduce your FCLK frequency.

IDEALLY, you want your FCLK and UCLK to be 1:1, or as close as possible, to minimize the hit on memory latency.

 

Welcome to the world of overclocking!

[AnimeMangaGamer]

10 hours ago, Tetras said:

You'll be fine in the short term, but in the longer term I'd at least do some proper testing to make sure it is stable. Ideally, you would leave DOCP enabled and then manually change the frequency, which would retain other settings like the memory voltage.

Oh I see ok, I'll enable DOCP for now and keep the 7200MT/s and maybe downclock it later to 6400 or 6000 whichever will make sense for the ratios.
 

10 hours ago, -rascal- said:

There is clearly a bug in the BIOS, if clearing the CMOS actually restores it to [Auto] and defaults to the proper DDR4-5600, while disabling DOCP does not.

 

[Auto] CAN be a double-edge sword. It can be fine, or it can set the voltage(s) too high/low. We fear the latter.

 

As for checking what the frequency/ratio of the MCLK (memory), FCLK (Infinity Fabric), and UCLK (Memory Controller), you would have to check through a monitoring software, like HWiNFO. It doesn't look like ASUS' BIOS monitoring shows that info.

 

I see your FCLK is on [Auto]. When you enable DOCP for DDR5-7200, it could reduce your FCLK frequency.

IDEALLY, you want your FCLK and UCLK to be 1:1, or as close as possible, to minimize the hit on memory latency.

 

Welcome to the world of overclocking!

Yeah I guess, like others have mentioned it might've been old settings from my previous ram kits I've used that are causing some kind of conflict or something. I don't know to get the ratios down, I currently have DOCP enabled at 7200MT/s and these are the readings on HWINFO, is it fine or should I change something. Thanks!

[AnimeMangaGamer]

10 hours ago, -rascal- said:

I see your FCLK is on [Auto]. When you enable DOCP for DDR5-7200, it could reduce your FCLK frequency.

IDEALLY, you want your FCLK and UCLK to be 1:1, or as close as possible, to minimize the hit on memory latency.

 

Oh wait, do you mean these values need to be 1:1 so they must be the same frequency? How do I that with my current settings?

[AnimeMangaGamer]

How would one make adjustments so that these values become 1:1? 

 

[Tetras]

36 minutes ago, AnimeMangaGamer said:

How would one make adjustments so that these values become 1:1? 

 

You don't want that to happen with the memory working at 7200, because it won't boot.

[-rascal-]

17 hours ago, AnimeMangaGamer said:

 

Oh wait, do you mean these values need to be 1:1 so they must be the same frequency? How do I that with my current settings?

 

MCLK/FCLK/UCLK are at 3600/2000/1800.

So your are now 1:2. By default FCLK:UCLK are 1:1 at 2000.

 

At DDR5-7200, I don't think you can run 1:1.

Either leave it or drop the speed to DDR5-6000 ~ 6400.

 

You could try to force it to run at 1:1 with DDR5-7200...and see how it goes...