My darling passed away, time to upgrade !

[SNiiPED]

Hey guys, long-time lurker here. Recently, my PC died in a surge. RIP darling. Luckily, the entire system was ensured, and I will be receiving a payout sometime this week to build/order a replacement. Please check below if you have any ideas, see any issues or would just like to comment. 


Budget (including currency): 2000€ (45 000 ZAR) 

Country: South Africa 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Tarkov / Anno 1800 / Warframe / Warthunder / light CAD work

Other details:
existing parts lists:
CPU: R7 4750G
RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200
MTB: MSI Bazooka Micro ATX (Fried) 

GPU: MSI Gaming X GTX1080 Ti (Fried)

Case: Corsair 4000D airflow

PSU: Deepcool PF750 (Fried) 

SSD: NVMe 1TB / SATA 1 Tb + 2x 500GB 

HDD: 4TB HDD WD Blue 

 

RIP to this build that kept me going for years and years. I am looking to upgrade within the next week. I am looking at the parts listed below. BUT I am torn between three styles of builds. 1- THE PAINFUL DREAM, 2- THE STANDARD, and 3- FULL SEND 

1- Painful Dream 

Building a small form factor. Something like the Corsair 2000D or the Fractal Design Mood. These are the ideal styles for my setup, however ARE A PAIN to build in and keep clean. This build will also  be with a 360 rad as it will need it to cool the AMD 9700. 

2- Standard 

The standard build will be the spec list listed below. However, I will keep the 4000D case as it is a solid case and already houses all my Corsair fans, and I can just swap the components. 

3 - Full send! 

This will be using the maximum amount of budget payable by my insurance, which totals up to 2700€. The main difference will be my mid-tower case of my dreams, aka Phanteks Evolv x2 black, with an RTX 5080 rather than an AMD 9070 XT. 

General spec in mind 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9700X 
RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000mhz 
MTB: general MSI or ASUS or ASrock B850 / B860 . with Wi-Fi 
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT / ( FULL SEND: RTX 5080 ) 
PSU: SuperFlower 850 watt power supply or ASUS Rog-Loki 850 SFX for the painful ream build
Storage: I will salvage storage from the old machine as it is already pre-set how I like it with all my apps and games, as well as still working fine. 
resolution: 2 x 1080p 160hz ASUS TUF gaming monitors . 1 x 65" Samsung 4K 60 Hz monitor 

I appreciate the time for the comments and wizardly advice! 

1) The goal is to build a PC that will last for the foreseeable future. I am not a person to upgrade unless it's really needed. Would I be better off with the full allocation of funds and an RTX 5080 or even a Ryzen 9 9th gen, or should I stay more modest as what I play is not so intensive? 

 

2) Is it wise to build in a Mini ATX case with liquid cooling if I am planning on keeping this machine for years and years to come, talking about maintenance / resell value and worry that the AIO water cooling will break?

 

3) if you have alternative recommendations for the usage I am al ears! 

 

[strange13930]

2 minutes ago, SNiiPED said:

Hay guys, long time lurker here. Recently my PC died in a surge. RIP darling. Luckily the entire system was ensured, and i will be receiving a payout some time this week to build / order a replacement. Please check below if you have and ideas, see any issues or would just like to comment. 


Budget (including currency): 2000€ (45 000 ZAR) 

Country: South Africa 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Tarkov / Anno 1800 / Warframe / Warthunder / light CAD work

Other details:
existing parts lists:
CPU: R7 4750G
RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200
MTB: MSI Bazooka Micro ATX 

GPU: MSI Gaming X GTX1080 Ti 

Case:



whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

the Ryzen 5 5600 is a faster cpu then the 4750g.

[GraysonJ90]

4 minutes ago, SNiiPED said:

Hay guys, long time lurker here. Recently my PC died in a surge. RIP darling. Luckily the entire system was ensured, and i will be receiving a payout some time this week to build / order a replacement. Please check below if you have and ideas, see any issues or would just like to comment. 


Budget (including currency): 2000€ (45 000 ZAR) 

Country: South Africa 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Tarkov / Anno 1800 / Warframe / Warthunder / light CAD work

Other details:
existing parts lists:
CPU: R7 4750G
RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200
MTB: MSI Bazooka Micro ATX 

GPU: MSI Gaming X GTX1080 Ti 

Case:



whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

If you have 2000 euros only go for AM5. Never go AM4 with this budget.

[Agall]

5 minutes ago, SNiiPED said:

Tarkov / Anno 1800 / Warframe / Warthunder / light CAD work

Look for a 7800x3D or 9800x3D, potentially even the R9 types. Does your CAD software require an Nvidia GPU for CUDA acceleration? 

[SNiiPED]

10 minutes ago, strange13930 said:

the Ryzen 5 5600 is a faster cpu then the 4750g.

yes i was more looking at the 9700x but I accidentally posted while typing 

 

[SNiiPED]

8 minutes ago, Agall said:

Look for a 7800x3D or 9800x3D, potentially even the R9 types. Does your CAD software require an Nvidia GPU for CUDA acceleration? 

Hi, not too sure I use Turbo CAD, but this is really a minor detail as I use it for personal projects and design work. 

[SNiiPED]

10 minutes ago, GraysonJ90 said:

If you have 2000 euros only go for AM5. Never go AM4 with this budget.

YES ! thats the plan, i accidentally posted before finishing the post. but it is edited now if you want to take a look. 

[GraysonJ90]

1 minute ago, SNiiPED said:

YES ! thats the plan, i accidentally posted before finishing the post. but it is edited now if you want to take a look. 

Yeah, the 9700X is amazing. Don’t get an ASRock Motherboard for this build tho. ASRock boards are a bit goofy. The 9070 will do ya great. You could allocate some extra budget to get a 1000W PSU instead of 850w for more headroom with upgrades.

[SNiiPED]

4 minutes ago, GraysonJ90 said:

Yeah, the 9700X is amazing. Don’t get an ASRock Motherboard for this build tho. ASRock boards are a bit goofy. The 9070 will do ya great. You could allocate some extra budget to get a 1000W PSU instead of 850w for more headroom with upgrades.

Hi ! Yes that is the plan if I go with the all-out build to increase the PSU to a solid 1000W based on LTT reviews and recommendations. But I believe for the RX 9070xt, 850w should be sufficient no?

[GraysonJ90]

36 minutes ago, SNiiPED said:

Hi ! Yes that is the plan if I go with the all-out build to increase the PSU to a solid 1000W based on LTT reviews and recommendations. But I believe for the RX 9070xt, 850w should be sufficient no?

Yeah! The 9070 will work just fine with an 850w PSU, in fact it only needs like 750w. But, 1000W would be future proof so you could upgrade to a 5090 or something in the future and not have too many issues (ya know besides the nuclear power plant and melting power connectors)

[Agall]

1 hour ago, SNiiPED said:

Hi ! Yes that is the plan if I go with the all-out build to increase the PSU to a solid 1000W based on LTT reviews and recommendations. But I believe for the RX 9070xt, 850w should be sufficient no?

850W will be fine, but if 1000W is only like $20 more, I'd get one just to be safe.

 

1 hour ago, GraysonJ90 said:

Yeah, the 9700X is amazing.

Only major downside of the 9700x is that its not 3D v-cache, and games like Warframe REALLY love 3D v-cache. With my 7950x3D I did a lot of CCD0 vs CCD1 testing, including testing in Warframe specifically with various systems over the last 11.5 years I've played the game, and the framerate difference is like 160 fps vs 240 fps with 3D v-cache alone. The game gets heavily CPU limited in high enemy density areas, especially in the new 1999 zones. To me, its well worth it for any live service game, since they'll generally see a hard CPU limit based on IPC/frequency/cache.

[SNiiPED]

2 hours ago, Agall said:

850W will be fine, but if 1000W is only like $20 more, I'd get one just to be safe.

 

Only major downside of the 9700x is that its not 3D v-cache, and games like Warframe REALLY love 3D v-cache. With my 7950x3D I did a lot of CCD0 vs CCD1 testing, including testing in Warframe specifically with various systems over the last 11.5 years I've played the game, and the framerate difference is like 160 fps vs 240 fps with 3D v-cache alone. The game gets heavily CPU limited in high enemy density areas, especially in the new 1999 zones. To me, its well worth it for any live service game, since they'll generally see a hard CPU limit based on IPC/frequency/cache.

I will actually ,consider this, as the one thing I hate most is sudden frame drops. However, on the PSU issue. For some reason, in RSA a 1000w PSU vs 850W PSU ( decent brand 80+ Silver minimum) are in high demand. so the price difference is nearly 40 - 60 $ for the same class PSU just at 1000W. This is not me even looking at the ROG series or similar high end PSU's rather medium range yet quality, corsair; deep cool & superflower etc... for me to justify that when PSU calculator says 500W is all this PC would need seems uneccasary. i would rather save the money and purchase a UPS for the desktop to prevent this issue from recurring again. 

 

[Agall]

18 minutes ago, SNiiPED said:

one thing I hate most is sudden frame drops

9800x3D should be your top priority, as well as a card with a headroom of VRAM, like 16GB.

 

18 minutes ago, SNiiPED said:

However, on the PSU issue. For some reason, in RSA a 1000w PSU vs 850W PSU ( decent brand 80+ Silver minimum) are in high demand. so the price difference is nearly 40 - 60 $ for the same class PSU just at 1000W. This is not me even looking at the ROG series or similar high end PSU's rather medium range yet quality, corsair; deep cool & superflower etc... for me to justify that when PSU calculator says 500W is all this PC would need seems uneccasary.

If that's the case, then an 850W is more than fine. The 9800x3D is at most a 120W chip unless you're overclocking, so its not a hungry hungry hippo like the 9950x or Intel parts.

 

19 minutes ago, SNiiPED said:

i would rather save the money and purchase a UPS for the desktop to prevent this issue from recurring again. 

I would definitely have a UPS, including one that allows you to pass coax or ethernet through it for surge protection to prevent any networking equipment from also taking a surge. If you're provided fiber optic, then its obviously not a concern.