Buying pre built or building a pc.

[afaylenerich]

Budget (including currency): 1400$

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: games and programs. 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Im trying to choose between one of these 2 computers or if it is possible to build the same thing for cheaper  

 

Also i know nothing about AMD and im not a huge fan so it is the lesser of the 2 i would actually want.  I know the 7800 x3d is good. But have never personally used AMD myself. Any advice would be great. 

 

Dont want to use any of my existing hardware just want a new pc front to back. 

 

[afaylenerich]

Also possibly considering this build? Im not sure. 

[Why_Me]

https://www.techspot.com/review/2728-ryzen-7500f-vs-core-13400f/

 

https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2023-amd-ryzen-5-7500f-review

 

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805676873344.html   

AMD Ryzen 5 7500F $130.72 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU Cooler: *ID-COOLING FROZN A620 PRO SE 58 CFM CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B650-S WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: *Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($92.97 @ B&H) 
Video Card: *Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($589.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: *Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Best Buy) 
Power Supply: *ADATA XPG Core Reactor II 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1092.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-03-27 11:37 EDT-0400

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-11-free-or-cheap 

[Why_Me]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($186.00 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: *ID-COOLING FROZN A620 PRO SE 58 CFM CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($169.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: *Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($92.97 @ B&H) 
Video Card: *Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($589.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: *Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Best Buy) 
Power Supply: *ADATA XPG Core Reactor II 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1318.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-03-27 11:39 EDT-0400

[Tetras]

15 minutes ago, afaylenerich said:

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: games and programs. 

Which programs do you use?

 

Realistically, I doubt you'd notice the difference between any of those three PCs, except for games that benefit from more than 16GB of memory.

 

If you do anything other than gaming, especially if heavily multithreaded (except if it supports AVX512, which the Intel doesn't), then the 14700F is the best performing. There's a big question mark on these CPUs over the longer-term though and they're less energy efficient than the AMD CPUs (except for idle/light load, Intel wins there), so even though it is your preference, I wouldn't recommend buying 13th-14th gen anymore.

[afaylenerich]

3 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Which programs do you use?

 

Realistically, I doubt you'd notice the difference between any of those three PCs, except for games that benefit from more than 16GB of memory.

 

If you do anything other than gaming, especially if heavily multithreaded (except if it supports AVX512, which the Intel doesn't), then the 14700F is the best performing. There's a big question mark on these CPUs over the longer-term though and they're less energy efficient than the AMD CPUs (except for idle/light load, Intel wins there), so even though it is your preference, I wouldn't recommend buying 13th-14th gen anymore.

Blender, milk shape, virtual architect. Video editing. Ext. I  Also play games like anno 1800, hogwarts, land of the vikings, starfield, So i need a cpu that can handle that.  

 

Unfortunately my hp omen 25L died on me last night. Was working the day before and caught the cpu at 200°f now it just beeps 3 times and shuts off and back on again just beeping. So im returning it today. 

 

You can see the specs of it in the picture. 

 

I just got a liquid cooler 240 aio for it also and it decided to poof from exsistance. 

Will never buy an HP again. 

 

As of not noticing the diffrence. Im sure i wouldnt. But are those a fair  price ? I feel like i can build for less. Or has that whole time passed? 

 

Im 14 years behind. So its confusing. 

 

 

[Chree]

Never buy prebuilt, I can show u how I started. 
Crater will build the pc with you  step by step  I built my first pc to one of his guides he shows the frames ull get after its built aswell and he has many videos of all prices. 

 

[Tetras]

13 minutes ago, afaylenerich said:

As of not noticing the diffrence. Im sure i wouldnt. But are those a fair  price ? I feel like i can build for less. Or has that whole time passed? 

I'd just use PCP to price it up yourself, it is simple enough to do.

 

13 minutes ago, afaylenerich said:

Blender, milk shape, virtual architect. Video editing. Ext. I  Also play games like anno 1800, hogwarts, land of the vikings, starfield, So i need a cpu that can handle that.  

Hmm, I see, you will want to check how the CPU performs not only in gaming.

 

The 14700 is the best CPU of the three for mixed usage, but like I said, not keen on buying one anymore.

 

If you have to have Intel, maybe look at the 265K. The gaming performance is inconsistent (9700X is better there), but is a solid productivity CPU. I believe they're on offer at the moment at the rainforest.

 

[brob]

@afaylenerich, one typically doesn't really save much with a custom build. Rather one usually ends up with better components and performance. Budget creep is a real problem. Consider something like the following. A significant upgrade from the existing system,but certainly not the best gaming or productivity build. It is comfortably under budget.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core Ultra 5 235 3.4 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($257.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($37.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B860-PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1851 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ ASUS) 
Memory: Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($79.97 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Storage: Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($92.97 @ B&H) 
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X BLACK OC GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB Video Card  ($522.05 @ Amazon) 
Case: Thermaltake View 270 Plus TG ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.90 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1349.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-03-27 12:14 EDT-0400

[KidKid]

1 hour ago, afaylenerich said:

Budget (including currency): 1400$

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: games and programs. 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Im trying to choose between one of these 2 computers or if it is possible to build the same thing for cheaper  

 

Also i know nothing about AMD and im not a huge fan so it is the lesser of the 2 i would actually want.  I know the 7800 x3d is good. But have never personally used AMD myself. Any advice would be great. 

 

Dont want to use any of my existing hardware just want a new pc front to back. 

 

Get the first one, with AMD. It's $200 cheaper than the Intel one, plus 16GB RAM is enough for now (and it's easy to upgrade later). While the Intel one has 20 cores, only 8 of them are performance cores, while the rest 12 cores are efficient cores (no good for games), AMD 9700x has 8 performance cores, and can boost to 5.5Ghz vs 5.4Ghz on the Intel CPU.

[afaylenerich]

Also im not a fan of RGB or Argb i always shut them off to help keep temps down even if its only 2% of total heat. So i could probbly save money by ditching all the lights i wont use? Then i wont need a controller or bloat program to run them. 

 

Kinda a stealth PC guy. Dont need looks if the power does all the talking. I will also never be seeing the side of pc. 

 

So idk if that helps keep budget more on range ? 

[brob]

10 minutes ago, afaylenerich said:

Also im not a fan of RGB or Argb i always shut them off to help keep temps down even if its only 2% of total heat. So i could probbly save money by ditching all the lights i wont use? Then i wont need a controller or bloat program to run them. 

 

Kinda a stealth PC guy. Dont need looks if the power does all the talking. I will also never be seeing the side of pc. 

 

So idk if that helps keep budget more on range ? 

 

Should of mentioned that up front .

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: Intel Core Ultra 5 235 3.4 GHz 14-Core Processor ($257.00 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.90 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: Asus PRIME B860-PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1851 Motherboard ($179.99 @ ASUS) 

Memory: Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($79.97 @ Newegg Sellers) 

Storage: Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($92.97 @ B&H) 

Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X BLACK OC GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB Video Card ($522.05 @ Amazon) 

Case: be quiet! Pure Base 501 Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.90 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.90 @ Amazon) 

Total: $1372.68

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-03-27 13:00 EDT-0400

[KidKid]

1 hour ago, afaylenerich said:

Also im not a fan of RGB or Argb i always shut them off to help keep temps down even if its only 2% of total heat. So i could probbly save money by ditching all the lights i wont use? Then i wont need a controller or bloat program to run them. 

 

Kinda a stealth PC guy. Dont need looks if the power does all the talking. I will also never be seeing the side of pc. 

 

So idk if that helps keep budget more on range ? 

It will help, but not too much I'd say. You could get maybe a Dell XPS or Dell Desktop (new branding) or an HP Victus for no colors (Victus seems to have good value). Or, you could just build yourself.