5080 or 4090?!

[Bayonett Priest]

My 2080 ti is not strong enough anymore for the newer released games! the monster hunter wilds benchmark only gives me 45 fps at high settings!

and Stalker 2 is also very choppy! Im runing a Ultrawide 1440p 100 HZ monitor! so almost 4k!

and buying prebuilds now is cheaper than hunting a scalper gpu! so would ask what card would be good?! i usualy upgrade every 2-3 generations! had a 980 ti before the 2080 ti!

when im buying a prebuild the 5080 is 650€ cheaper

[Hinjima]

13 minutes ago, Bayonett Priest said:

My 2080 ti is not strong enough anymore for the newer released games! the monster hunter wilds benchmark only gives me 45 fps at high settings!

and Stalker 2 is also very choppy! Im runing a Ultrawide 1440p 100 HZ monitor! so almost 4k!

and buying prebuilds now is cheaper than hunting a scalper gpu! so would ask what card would be good?! i usualy upgrade every 2-3 generations! had a 980 ti before the 2080 ti!

when im buying a prebuild the 5080 is 650€ cheaper

Both would be a decent upgrade over your 2080Ti but I would also look into changing out that 9900k as well.

In CPU heavy games that 9900k is going to hold you back.

 

Finding 5080 and 4090 stock right now is very difficult.  5080 is paper launch and 4090's are not produced anymore.

If you can buy a used 4090 that would be the best bet in my opinion.

[GuiltySpark_]

Agreed with @Hinjima. That CPU/platform will most definitely hold back both of those GPU's at 3440x1440 in many titles, especially some of the newer UE5 built ones. 

 

Also used 4090 pricing has jumped quite a bit in the last week given you can't buy 50 series so people are looking for alternatives. 

[starsmine]

monster hunter wild doesnt run on any GPU. the fact that it gets 40FPS at 540p medium (yes, 540p, not 1080p) on a RTX 3060 is a problem with the game. 

See what is actually limiting you in stalker 2, if its your CPU or GPU at your chosen settings.

 

[Hinjima]

13 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Agreed with @Hinjima. That CPU/platform will most definitely hold back both of those GPU's at 3440x1440 in many titles, especially some of the newer UE5 built ones. 

 

Also used 4090 pricing has jumped quite a bit in the last week given you can't buy 50 series so people are looking for alternatives. 

Yup.  I jumped from a 9900k Overclocked to 5.2ghz on all cores to a 7700x and I saw a decent bump in performance and a massive improvement in the 1% and 0.1% lows with an RTX 4080.

The 9900k is basically a 6700k on steroids, its an old CPU and will show its age in modern titles.

[Bayonett Priest]

19 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Both would be a decent upgrade over your 2080Ti but I would also look into changing out that 9900k as well.

In CPU heavy games that 9900k is going to hold you back.

 

Finding 5080 and 4090 stock right now is very difficult.  5080 is paper launch and 4090's are not produced anymore.

If you can buy a used 4090 that would be the best bet in my opinion.

yea i wanna pair it with a ryzen 9 7900x! the only other thing is! will the extra 8 gb on the 4090 be better than the new generation or is the 5080 with its DLSS Multi-Frame Generation better!? the 4090 will be 700 bucks more expensive in the prebuildsite! though im asking myself when the scalper issue be over! should i wait for a few months more or are the prices and availability forever so bad! like how dumb can nvidia be for allowing that!

[starsmine]

8 minutes ago, Bayonett Priest said:

yea i wanna pair it with a ryzen 9 7900x! the only other thing is! will the extra 8 gb on the 4090 be better than the new generation or is the 5080 with its DLSS Multi-Frame Generation better!? the 4090 will be 700 bucks more expensive in the prebuildsite! though im asking myself when the scalper issue be over! should i wait for a few months more or are the prices and availability forever so bad! like how dumb can nvidia be for allowing that!

If you care about performance, MFG doesn't give you any, FG in ALL cases lowers performance, MFG makes it worse. With frame gen, FPS and performance of a game become detached and no longer are in lockstep with each other (similar to what the issues with SLI were in how it detached the two metrics)

Frame gen works best when your base frame rate is already at least in the 70s so you can get the motion fluidity you want out of a 144+Hz monitor. If you turn it on sub 60FPS, the game will play noticeably worse, especially for a game like MH that is you reading and reacting to a monsters tells in combat. (and I have to wonder if its default on in your benchmark to even get 45fps high at that resolution, which would be unplayable)

Why upgrade both at once? just upgrade the CPU for now, and when GPU market normalizes you can upgrade the GPU then. 

If you are basing your purchase based of of MH wilds, again I wouldnt, that game doesnt run on any hardware correctly. 

[Hinjima]

Just now, Bayonett Priest said:

yea i wanna pair it with a ryzen 9 7900x! the only other thing is! will the extra 8 gb on the 4090 be better than the new generation or is the 5080 with its DLSS Multi-Frame Generation better!? the 4090 will be 700 bucks more expensive in the prebuildsite! though im asking myself when the scalper issue be over! should i wait for a few months more or are the prices and availability forever so bad! like how dumb can nvidia be for allowing that!

Prices and availability WILL improve, no doubt about this.  When? We dont know.

A 7900x is a huge improvement over a 9900k. Nice one.

 

Rumors and talks with AIB's say we should see a 5080 supply increase in the next 3-10 weeks and 5090's in the next 3-16 weeks, one even said maybe in June.

Currently it IS Chinese New Year so most if not all factories are closed, when this is over we should see more cards come to market  

And Nvidia might be artificially creating a demand hype.

[AlexithinkSR]

should apply to the 5080 as well

[Timme]

Do you have them in stock in your area? Buy whatever and resell lol

[MiszS]

A used 4090 100%

[Hinjima]

https://www.astutegroup.com/news/industrial/tsmc-earthquake-up-to-30000-wafers-may-be-scrapped/

This doesn't helpe either.

[Salted Spinach]

Bad time to be looking for a high end graphics card

 

If you have to, I would get a used 4090 if it costs the same or less than the going price of a new 5080. Better raw performance and 16GB of VRAM might not last long at your display resolution

 

Good luck

[Chree]

I've been able to beat a 4090 in native by OC'ing my 5080, In fact there is a war on User benchmark rn.  Nvidia has auto ocing software in the app thats 100% safe and doesnt void warranty.  the safe method gets u very close to a 4090. but watching a 5080  ocing guide with MSI afterburner and kombustor can get you safely to your cards limit.   Imo Get a 5080 and save a grand for a new oled monitor.

[starsmine]

1 hour ago, Chree said:

I've been able to beat a 4090 in native by OC'ing my 5080, In fact there is a war on User benchmark rn.  Nvidia has auto ocing software in the app thats 100% safe and doesnt void warranty.  the safe method gets u very close to a 4090. but watching a 5080  ocing guide with MSI afterburner and kombustor can get you safely to your cards limit.   Imo Get a 5080 and save a grand for a new oled monitor.

I mean, userbenchmark is one of the least reliable sources for anything in terms of computer hardware. The editor there just lies constantly. 

[Chree]

14 minutes ago, starsmine said:

I mean, userbenchmark is one of the least reliable sources for anything in terms of computer hardware. The editor there just lies constantly. 

eh im not worried about bias cancel culture, i go by the basis of how the test is performed which is by an fps and timing software that is benched on a scale of averages that are shown on a global list.  When I first got my 5080 I was getting about 266% 500ish fps in the test, after tweaking doing fresh installs and ocing I was getting almost 700
I also tested this in games like Marvel rivals FF7 Rebirth and Cyberpunk and compared at Native with no FG probably my favorite purchase ever for a gfx 

[starsmine]

17 minutes ago, Chree said:

eh im not worried about bias cancel culture, i go by the basis of how the test is performed which is by an fps and timing software that is benched on a scale of averages that are shown on a global list.  When I first got my 5080 I was getting about 266% 500ish fps in the test, after tweaking doing fresh installs and ocing I was getting almost 700
I also tested this in games like Marvel rivals FF7 Rebirth and Cyberpunk and compared at Native with no FG probably my favorite purchase ever for a gfx 

Its... I mean thats a strong misuse of the term cancel culture. 
No its not some political bias thing, He literally straight up lies about hardware and weights the test results in highly unrealistic ways, so even the tests dont show anything useful. 

If you want a free synthetic bench, 3Dmark is much more valid. 

[Chree]

7 minutes ago, starsmine said:

Its... I mean thats a strong misuse of the term cancel culture. 
No its not some political bias thing, He literally straight up lies about hardware and weights the test results in highly unrealistic ways, so even the tests dont show anything useful. 

If you want a free synthetic bench, 3Dmark is much more valid. 

the Bias is that the site is  Nvidia and intel "based "  I care about it testing the FPS and latency by pushing Cpu GPU SSD and RAM at 100% usage and displaying the results.  there's a couple variables you're not seeing.  i dont see the difference I did the 3d mark and got similar results to Userbench  leaderboard wise 9500 overall beats a stock 4090 anyday.

[GuiltySpark_]

Are we defending UBM as a relevant site for enthusiasts? 

[Chree]

1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Are we defending UBM as a relevant site for enthusiasts? 

When they both have similar results yeah.  and  that you said "site" and not the software shows alot.  def a kamala harris voter.