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3 minutes ago, thinkablethemaster said:

Oh okey but os the cpu performance similar. And should I go for 32gb or is it a bit overkill

 

For gaming 16gb is fine, 32 is ideal for peace of mind but 16 is still fine

And a 7500f is a 7600 with no integrated graphics so about a lil worse than a 5700x3d so youll be fine with it as well

I have always wanted a mini itx build and maybe 4 years ago i built my first (budget friendly) mini itx pc. It is in a nr200p and has an i3 10100 and a gtx 970 strix with 16gb ram. However during these couple of years technology has advanced and so has the requirements for games. Therefore I really need to get an upgrade (which of course should be budget friendly). I have been looking at an rtx 3050 6gb for 180 euros. But i am questioning myself, should i upgrade my cpu, is the 3050 really that good? I need help! Would love to get some advice. I only play 1080p and games such as; Rust, Gta, LoL, and other.

 

looking to spend maximum of 800 euros, I want the best price per performance.

 

Thanks in advance.

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"is the 3050 good?" No it isnt the cheapest acceptable for you I'd say is either the 3060 12gb but ideally if you can find one an rx 7600xt for a super max price in europe it should be about 360 euros or at worst a 4060 which leaves us with at worst 440 euros

Go for a better CPU aka an i5 or better from intel 11th gen for the cheapest possible upgrade to what you do have

Or spend a bit more and get both a new mobo thats LGA 1700 socket with a 12400f or thats AM4 socket with a 5600 or 5600x since you can re use ram and I'll assume you have a 650w or more PSU you should be well withing the 800 euro maximum

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For starters, forget about the 3050, that card is a joke. You're better off looking for a 4060; I'd normally tell you to grab a 3060ti, but given the mini-itx nature, the 4060 with its superior energy efficiency is a better bet. Scour the used market for the smallest one you can find.

 

As for the platform, it is worth the upgrade. When you can, grab a Ryzen 7600, 2x16gb DDR5, and a B650 motherboard; with the spare cash from the gpu and the extra you get for selling your 970 and current platforms, you should be able to make that upgrade.

 

Alternatively, if you really need to go on the cheap now, you could just swap the mobo and CPU for a 5700x3D... but given you've spent 4y with this computer, it might be wiser to invest in AM5 now and just upgrade the CPU in 2~3years to a Zen 6 chip, or whatever AMD comes up with at the end of AM5's life.

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4 minutes ago, Imakuni said:

For starters, forget about the 3050, that card is a joke. You're better off looking for a 4060; I'd normally tell you to grab a 3060ti, but given the mini-itx nature, the 4060 with its superior energy efficiency is a better bet. Scour the used market for the smallest one you can find.

 

As for the platform, it is worth the upgrade. When you can, grab a Ryzen 7600, 2x16gb DDR5, and a B650 motherboard; with the spare cash from the gpu and the extra you get for selling your 970 and current platforms, you should be able to make that upgrade.

 

Alternatively, if you really need to go on the cheap now, you could just swap the mobo and CPU for a 5700x3D... but given you've spent 4y with this computer, it might be wiser to invest in AM5 now and just upgrade the CPU in 2~3years to a Zen 6 chip, or whatever AMD comes up with at the end of AM5's life.

i am now thinking of going for a new mobo with the i5 14400f since thats the best performer for the price in my case. The gpu still is somethiong that haunts me in a way because I also would have to upgrade my psu if i were to buy a beefier gpu which would increase my budget by a lot and since i mostly play cpu intensive games i dont really feel the need to upgrade my gpu that far, since my 970 has been treating me well i would believe that the rtx 3050 would be sufficient and still a considerable upgrade. Feel free to correct me if im wrong but the rtx 3050 doesnt seem like a bad card for the price for 1080p gaming.

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3 minutes ago, thinkablethemaster said:

i am now thinking of going for a new mobo with the i5 14400f since thats the best performer for the price in my case. The gpu still is somethiong that haunts me in a way because I also would have to upgrade my psu if i were to buy a beefier gpu which would increase my budget by a lot and since i mostly play cpu intensive games i dont really feel the need to upgrade my gpu that far, since my 970 has been treating me well i would believe that the rtx 3050 would be sufficient and still a considerable upgrade. Feel free to correct me if im wrong but the rtx 3050 doesnt seem like a bad card for the price for 1080p gaming.

"Doesnt seem" you want to play gta so throw the idea of a 3050 out the window... its gone,not with us, dead and a dog peed on its grave. Let that go

For a gpu we are looking at a)4060 b)rx 7600xt c) used market. Those are the options that will actually benefit you

 

As for platforms you have these options a) go intel 11th gen (cheapest) b) go LGA 1700 ddr4 to re use the ram c) with a mix of a used GPU and selling your current GPU we can get you to am5 with a 7600 or 7500f with DDR5 memory

 

Your ideal scenario is either am4 or lga 1700 with a new (or used) gpu and PSU

 

Assuming you are in europe since you use euro the prices are not that terrible so you can get away with it under 800 euro

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15 minutes ago, Millios said:

"is the 3050 good?" No it isnt the cheapest acceptable for you I'd say is either the 3060 12gb but ideally if you can find one an rx 7600xt for a super max price in europe it should be about 360 euros or at worst a 4060 which leaves us with at worst 440 euros

Go for a better CPU aka an i5 or better from intel 11th gen for the cheapest possible upgrade to what you do have

Or spend a bit more and get both a new mobo thats LGA 1700 socket with a 12400f or thats AM4 socket with a 5600 or 5600x since you can re use ram and I'll assume you have a 650w or more PSU you should be well withing the 800 euro maximum

Yes the cpu i will for sure upgrade as i dont want a bottleneck, I was thinking a i5 14400f which seems like a good cpu for the price, and a significant upgrade from the i3. The rx 7600xt would cost me atleast 380 euro where im from and i would have to upgrade my psu aswell and for the sfx psu tax the psu would cost atleast 100 euros, which bursts my budget quite a lot. The rtx 3050 just seems like a better deal to me at this time as it is is energy efficient and doesnt cost a fortune and supposudely it should be good at 1080p

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2 minutes ago, thinkablethemaster said:

Yes the cpu i will for sure upgrade as i dont want a bottleneck, I was thinking a i5 14400f which seems like a good cpu for the price, and a significant upgrade from the i3. The rx 7600xt would cost me atleast 380 euro where im from and i would have to upgrade my psu aswell and for the sfx psu tax the psu would cost atleast 100 euros, which bursts my budget quite a lot. The rtx 3050 just seems like a better deal to me at this time as it is is energy efficient and doesnt cost a fortune and supposudely it should be good at 1080p

Any decent PSU would cost you about 100 euros and at a minimum 90 euros and they are probably the best investment you can make

A 13400f is cheaper and a better option as the 14th gen is only worth it when you get to the i7 and i9 tiers and even there they are diminishing results

If you care oh so much for power effiency and are not willing to also for example sell your current gpu which you arent go use either way then you are looking at a 4060 and thats about it as the b580 is expensive and has overhead issues and the cheap 30 series cards arent worth it

A 3050 is dogshit and you shouldnt consider it cause its not a good card by any meassurement or use case (except if you are only gonna play doom, games that came out at around the 2000s and watch youtube)

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7 minutes ago, Millios said:

"Doesnt seem" you want to play gta so throw the idea of a 3050 out the window... its gone,not with us, dead and a dog peed on its grave. Let that go

For a gpu we are looking at a)4060 b)rx 7600xt c) used market. Those are the options that will actually benefit you

 

As for platforms you have these options a) go intel 11th gen (cheapest) b) go LGA 1700 ddr4 to re use the ram c) with a mix of a used GPU and selling your current GPU we can get you to am5 with a 7600 or 7500f with DDR5 memory

 

Your ideal scenario is either am4 or lga 1700 with a new (or used) gpu and PSU

 

Assuming you are in europe since you use euro the prices are not that terrible so you can get away with it under 800 euro

Im sure my mobo dont support 11th gen intel thats why im choosing to upgrade to lga 1700 with an i5 14400f and thats already decided. 

 

i found a 4060 for about 250 euro but i still would need a psu which has to be sfx

 as my current psu is 450watt

 

 

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12 minutes ago, thinkablethemaster said:

Im sure my mobo dont support 11th gen intel thats why im choosing to upgrade to lga 1700 with an i5 14400f and thats already decided.

you had a 10100... thats intel 11th gen... all you need is a bios update

And again a 13400f would be both cheaper and just as good which in you case is the best choice but if you are hellbend go for it

12 minutes ago, thinkablethemaster said:

i found a 4060 for about 250 euro but i still would need a psu which has to be sfx

 as my current psu is 450watt

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Yes that is a great price for the 4060 and again you essential would need a new mobo, cpu and gpu all of which would tally up to about 500 to 600

considering the price of psus you can get a 650w for about 100 so worst case scenario youd spend about 750...

Im seriously not seeing any issue or why you want a dogshit card like the 3050 so bad

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all the lowend nvidia cards are a joke and i wouldnt even give them a consideration till we are looking at used 3080/4070 though probably wanna wait on this as the b770 and the 9060/70 cards should be quite competitive with used gpus, if you want it now or they tank in price after those new cards then id reccomend the 6800xt and 3080 (~350€) for best price/perf as the 6950xt and 3080ti (400-450€) arent that much faster than them though depending on price can have comparable value aswell

 

 

platform wise afaik 13400f and the 14400f are still alderlake cpus, basically just crippled 12600k

if that werent the case then the 14400f would be running circles around the 12600k even with its lower clocks due to the better ipc on raptorlake

 

with this budget yeah wouldnt even consider 1700 unless you can find a cheap used itx board and even then theres probably used am4 itx boards and the 5700x3d runs circles around both the 14400f and 12600k especially for simulation stuff like factorio, then theres am5 to consider with an itx a620 or b650

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Make and model of your psu please. A decent 450w psu will power A LOT more hardware than you think it can.

 

The 3050 is a BAD vlaue gpu through and through. Its not keeping up with running modern games at all.

 

The reason you got so long out of a gtx 970 is because it was a high end gpu of the time its why it was relevant enough to play games for like 7 years. Just look at a 1050ti for example it wasnt running 2020 games at much better than 1080p low to get 60fps. It was doing very poorly quickly not even 4 years afterlaunch.

 

The 3050 isnt even doing well 2 years later.

 

What a intel arc b580/b570 look like price wise over there?

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1 minute ago, jaslion said:

What a intel arc b580/b570 look like price wise over there?

What im about to say is for all of europe but dont count on those cards yet cause a)the b580 is still being scalped and b) even worse just sold for 330 euros and climbing. For refrence in greece its about 400 euros... for about that you could get a 7700xt

 

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Just now, Millios said:

What im about to say is for all of europe but dont count on those cards yet cause a)the b580 is still being scalped and b) even worse just sold for 330 euros and climbing. For refrence in greece its about 400 euros... for about that you could get a 7700xt

 

I know I live in the eu. But the situations are very difference everywhere else really.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

I know I live in the eu. But the situations are very difference everywhere else really.

Eh going by amazon in italy germany france and the uk on top of skroutz for countries like poland greece and holand and other miscelanious stores and services it seems consistent.... or better said the card is so incosistently priced from a tad more than ideal to "holy shit why is this card priced like that"

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1 hour ago, thinkablethemaster said:

i am now thinking of going for a new mobo with the i5 14400f since thats the best performer for the price in my case.

Don't. Forget intel, it's simply NOT worth it right now. It's a shame, really, but you're not getting better power efficiency with anything intel has to offer VS what a modern Ryzen can get.

 

Not to mention, you're buying a dead platform if you go with a 14400f. If that's the case, then switch back to the 5700x3D.

 

2 hours ago, thinkablethemaster said:

The gpu still is somethiong that haunts me in a way because I also would have to upgrade my psu if i were to buy a beefier gpu which would increase my budget by a lot and since i mostly play cpu intensive games i dont really feel the need to upgrade my gpu that far, since my 970 has been treating me well i would believe that the rtx 3050 would be sufficient and still a considerable upgrade. Feel free to correct me if im wrong but the rtx 3050 doesnt seem like a bad card for the price for 1080p gaming.

Any PSU that can support a 970 will support a 4060 just fine. You will not need an upgrade.

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On 1/20/2025 at 3:28 PM, jaslion said:

Make and model of your psu please. A decent 450w psu will power A LOT more hardware than you think it can.

 

The 3050 is a BAD vlaue gpu through and through. Its not keeping up with running modern games at all.

 

The reason you got so long out of a gtx 970 is because it was a high end gpu of the time its why it was relevant enough to play games for like 7 years. Just look at a 1050ti for example it wasnt running 2020 games at much better than 1080p low to get 60fps. It was doing very poorly quickly not even 4 years afterlaunch.

 

The 3050 isnt even doing well 2 years later.

 

What a intel arc b580/b570 look like price wise over there?

Both Intel Arc b580 and b570 are about 340 euro

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On 1/20/2025 at 4:35 PM, Imakuni said:

Don't. Forget intel, it's simply NOT worth it right now. It's a shame, really, but you're not getting better power efficiency with anything intel has to offer VS what a modern Ryzen can get.

 

Not to mention, you're buying a dead platform if you go with a 14400f. If that's the case, then switch back to the 5700x3D.

 

Any PSU that can support a 970 will support a 4060 just fine. You will not need an upgrade.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D-vs-Intel-Core-i5-13400F/m2280831vs4144 according to this comparsion the intel seems way better especially for the price

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3 minutes ago, thinkablethemaster said:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D-vs-Intel-Core-i5-13400F/m2280831vs4144 according to this comparsion the intel seems way better especially for the price

https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/new-amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-5800x3d-more

Gee I wonder who's more accurate

The regarded testers or a john doe website

The 5700x3d is closer to a 5800x3d and a 13600k aka a few tier above the 13400f and price yes the 13400f is cheaper but not better

 

 

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48 minutes ago, thinkablethemaster said:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D-vs-Intel-Core-i5-13400F/m2280831vs4144 according to this comparsion the intel seems way better especially for the price

Watch this video, it explains it pretty well.

 

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another issue is the mobo were i live there are no am4 mini itx mobo under 300 euros which seems crazy but thats how it is. circling back to when you said i could use a 12600k on my current mobo, are you sure? the mobo name is Asrock b460m/itx ac.

 

btw thanks so much for your responses i really apreciate it.

 

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1 hour ago, thinkablethemaster said:

another issue is the mobo were i live there are no am4 mini itx mobo under 300 euros which seems crazy but thats how it is. circling back to when you said i could use a 12600k on my current mobo, are you sure? the mobo name is Asrock b460m/itx ac.

 

btw thanks so much for your responses i really apreciate it.

 

No you cant

Completely different sockets and it would work only if you got intel 11th gen, for 12th gen and up you'd need a b660,b760,z690 or z790 motherboard

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1 minute ago, thinkablethemaster said:

I am now thinking of going för am5 ryzen 5 7500f so that i future prof a bit and get the new ddr5 does that sound like a good idea?

Bit more pricey but sure its not a bad idea

It might help that since am5 is ongoing the itx mobos maybe lower in price compared to am4 ones cause of availability

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4 minutes ago, Millios said:

Bit more pricey but sure its not a bad idea

It might help that since am5 is ongoing the itx mobos maybe lower in price compared to am4 ones cause of availability

Yes exactly and it also feels like with the ddr5 and its high mhz it Will have Similar performance 

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