Should I pick the Ryzen 5 5600 or the Intel Core i5 13400F?

[Marvel 563]

Which one has better performance?, I'm pairing it with an RX 6700XT 

[RONOTHAN##]

Where are you shopping for parts and what's the total budget? The 13400F is faster, but there are probably better options out there for you to pick.

[David A. Tatum]

The 13400f does beat out the 5600, a bit, in both single-core and multi-core performance, according to Cinebench, but I wouldn't make that purchase.  These days, I wouldn't recommend 13th or 14th gen Intel processors for any computer.  12th gen are good budget options, if you can find them on sale, and Ultra is an... option (if you're doing something where faster RAM is more important than processor power, Ultra plus CuDIMM RAM might be a good idea, but anything else?  Uh... maybe if and when the price comes down, it would become an acceptable mid-range option), but even after the microcode fix, I wouldn't trust any 13th or 14th gen Intel processor to last long-term.  If you want to go Intel, the i5-12600K processor draws a bit more power, but according to Cinebench performs about the same (margin-of-error higher) and is currently cheaper than the 13400f on Newegg (by a couple bucks, and the 13400f and the 12600k are both more expensive than the 5600 -- with current sale prices, you could get a 5600xt for about the same as a 13400f or a 12600k; while I don't have Cinebench benchmarks handy for the 5600xt, I imagine they're closer to the 13400f than the base 5600).

[starsmine]

Both are dead end platforms, if you are investing in a brand new platform then there are probably better options to pick up so you end up spending less money over the next decade. 

[Hold-Ma-Beer]

I do agree with above users, but also another thing to note beside both being dead platforms is that intel cant be overclocked. Depending on the area you live, Ryzen could be cheaper and can be overclocked to milk out more performance now or in future. 
 

However, we cant give the best advise without knowing your region and budget. Do share that info ^^

[Marvel 563]

I live in Indonesia and my budget is 1000 USD or 15 juta Rupiah

[Marvel 563]

17 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Where are you shopping for parts and what's the total budget? The 13400F is faster, but there are probably better options out there for you to pick.

I live in Indonesia and my budget is 1000 USD or 15 juta Rupiah

[Marvel 563]

15 hours ago, David A. Tatum said:

The 13400f does beat out the 5600, a bit, in both single-core and multi-core performance, according to Cinebench, but I wouldn't make that purchase.  These days, I wouldn't recommend 13th or 14th gen Intel processors for any computer.  12th gen are good budget options, if you can find them on sale, and Ultra is an... option (if you're doing something where faster RAM is more important than processor power, Ultra plus CuDIMM RAM might be a good idea, but anything else?  Uh... maybe if and when the price comes down, it would become an acceptable mid-range option), but even after the microcode fix, I wouldn't trust any 13th or 14th gen Intel processor to last long-term.  If you want to go Intel, the i5-12600K processor draws a bit more power, but according to Cinebench performs about the same (margin-of-error higher) and is currently cheaper than the 13400f on Newegg (by a couple bucks, and the 13400f and the 12600k are both more expensive than the 5600 -- with current sale prices, you could get a 5600xt for about the same as a 13400f or a 12600k; while I don't have Cinebench benchmarks handy for the 5600xt, I imagine they're closer to the 13400f than the base 5600).

How about the i5 12400F?

[Marvel 563]

13 hours ago, Hold-Ma-Beer said:

I do agree with above users, but also another thing to note beside both being dead platforms is that intel cant be overclocked. Depending on the area you live, Ryzen could be cheaper and can be overclocked to milk out more performance now or in future. 
 

However, we cant give the best advise without knowing your region and budget. Do share that info ^^

I live in Indonesia and my budget is 1000 USD or 15 juta Rupiah

[starsmine]

10 minutes ago, Marvel 563 said:

I live in Indonesia and my budget is 1000 USD or 15 juta Rupiah

For the platform (CPU/mobo/ram) or the whole build including the 6700XT?

[Marvel 563]

7 minutes ago, starsmine said:

For the platform (CPU/mobo/ram) or the whole build including the 6700XT?

The whole build + Monitor and keyboard and mouse

[David A. Tatum]

37 minutes ago, Marvel 563 said:

How about the i5 12400F?

 

It marginally outperforms the 5600 in Cinebench, but the two are comparable, and there are some other benchmarking tools the 5600 might perform better with.  Prices, at least locally, are about the same (within $10) of each other.  The 13400f outperforms it (as you would expect of a newer generation), though only slightly in single-core processing (multicore is a more significant difference), and it's got those "13th/14th gen Intel" issues that only time will tell if it's been fully corrected or not.

[Marvel 563]

25 minutes ago, David A. Tatum said:

 

It marginally outperforms the 5600 in Cinebench, but the two are comparable, and there are some other benchmarking tools the 5600 might perform better with.  Prices, at least locally, are about the same (within $10) of each other.  The 13400f outperforms it (as you would expect of a newer generation), though only slightly in single-core processing (multicore is a more significant difference), and it's got those "13th/14th gen Intel" issues that only time will tell if it's been fully corrected or not.

So the 12400F is better?

[David A. Tatum]

10 minutes ago, Marvel 563 said:

So the 12400F is better?

Than the 5600?  Barely, but yes.

[Marvel 563]

7 hours ago, David A. Tatum said:

Than the 5600?  Barely, but yes.

Should I pick the Ryzen 5 8400F cause its only a bit more?

[David A. Tatum]

9 hours ago, Marvel 563 said:

Should I pick the Ryzen 5 8400F cause its only a bit more?

Not familiar with that processor, but Cinebench suggests it's better than either the 5600 or the 12400F, but it's not blowing the water out of either one.  Checking it's specs... I see it's an AM5 processor (as expected for an 8000 series Ryzen; that means the build should have a decent upgrade path, if that's important), but unlike every other Ryzen 7-8-or-9000 series processor I know about, it's only compatible with PCIe4 or lower, so some newer hardware such as the 50-series NVidia cards and some SSDs won't work with it (or at least won't work at their expected performance rates, in the case of the SSDs).

 

So, I can't say whether you should pick it or not.  There is a difference in speed between these options, but nothing I would consider mind-blowing, so it depends on the other features you want.  Is having the option to use PCIe 5.0 components important to you?  Any of the Intel processors discussed in this thread support it, but neither of the AMD processors you're asking about do.  Do you want a better upgrade path?  Of the processor's you've mentioned, the Ryzen 8400F is the best option.  And maybe there's still something even better than those options in your price range that combines the best of those paths (though not knowing the local market in Indonesia, I could only guess what that might be).

[RONOTHAN##]

5 hours ago, David A. Tatum said:

Not familiar with that processor, but Cinebench suggests it's better than either the 5600 or the 12400F, but it's not blowing the water out of either one.  Checking it's specs... I see it's an AM5 processor (as expected for an 8000 series Ryzen; that means the build should have a decent upgrade path, if that's important), but unlike every other Ryzen 7-8-or-9000 series processor I know about, it's only compatible with PCIe4 or lower, so some newer hardware such as the 50-series NVidia cards and some SSDs won't work with it (or at least won't work at their expected performance rates, in the case of the SSDs).

The 8400F is just the R5 8600G without the iGPU, so everything about that chips is applicable to the 8400F with the exception of iGPU. It's similar to the relationship between the R5 5500 and 5600G. 

 

Also PCIe 4.0 really isn't that big a deal seeing as nothing uses it, and the 50 series cards likely aren't going to take full advantage of it (the 4090 barely uses more bandwidth than PCIe Gen 3x16), the issue is that they only have 8 lanes for the GPU so something like a 5090 might be limited in theory (that card isn't out yet so we don't know for sure how PCIe bound it is), but then again it would likely be limited pretty heavily by the 8400F in general anyway so I don't think that's too big an issue. 

 

 

16 hours ago, Marvel 563 said:

Should I pick the Ryzen 5 8400F cause its only a bit more?

Yes, it's much better than the 5600 and actually has an upgrade path. Just know that while the chip itself might caust only a bit more, the rest of the platform might be quite a bit more as you need to go for DDR5 and an AM5 motherboard instead, though those added costs are IMO worth it. Also check the price of the 7500F as that chip is quite a bit faster than the 8400F and is usually about the same price, though this is very region dependent so it might not be that way for you. 

[Marvel 563]

8 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The 8400F is just the R5 8600G without the iGPU, so everything about that chips is applicable to the 8400F with the exception of iGPU. It's similar to the relationship between the R5 5500 and 5600G. 

 

Also PCIe 4.0 really isn't that big a deal seeing as nothing uses it, and the 50 series cards likely aren't going to take full advantage of it (the 4090 barely uses more bandwidth than PCIe Gen 3x16), the issue is that they only have 8 lanes for the GPU so something like a 5090 might be limited in theory (that card isn't out yet so we don't know for sure how PCIe bound it is), but then again it would likely be limited pretty heavily by the 8400F in general anyway so I don't think that's too big an issue. 

 

 

Yes, it's much better than the 5600 and actually has an upgrade path. Just know that while the chip itself might caust only a bit more, the rest of the platform might be quite a bit more as you need to go for DDR5 and an AM5 motherboard instead, though those added costs are IMO worth it. Also check the price of the 7500F as that chip is quite a bit faster than the 8400F and is usually about the same price, though this is very region dependent so it might not be that way for you. 

I pick the Ryzen 7 8700F cuz it fits into my budget, and does not cost a lot more