My personally recommended GPU from RTX 5000 Series

[WallacEngineering]

So, performance of the RTX 5000 series WITHOUT AI, Upscaling, or Frame Gen have been revealed.

 

Its disappointing, but not horrible. So lets get into it. Of course you should wait for independent reviews before pulling the trigger, but this should give you something to start thinking about if you are considering upgrading this generation.

 

- RTX 5090 is about 30% faster than RTX 4090

 

- RTX 5080 is about 15% faster than RTX 4080-Super

 

- RTX 5070-Ti is about 20% faster than RTX 4070-Ti-Super

 

- RTX 5070 is about 20% faster than RTX 4070

 

With all that being said, which cards should you be considering? Well in my opinion, there is only one good option - the RTX 5070-Ti.

 

The reason? Well, 16GB is just enough VRAM, a 20% performance boost means the 5070-Ti performance should match the 4080-Super, and all of this PLUS the new technologies for $749.99 USD seems like a decent deal to me considering the 4070-Ti-Super released at $799.99 and the RTX 4080-Super was $999.99.

 

The RTX 4080-Super is already a very capable 4K Gaming card on High Settings and will max out 144Hz Monitors in 3440x1440p and 2560x1440p resolutions on mostly Ultra settings in most cases.

 

This is very nice to see at a price point well below $1000 USD. I would say this is the only "good" value card out of the entire 5000 series line up so far.

 

The RTX 5090 is just too stupidly expensive. Ya sure, its 30% faster but its also $1999.99 USD while the 4090 launched at $1599.99. Thats a massive 25% inflation in price, and don't forget the 5090 now draws 575 watts, which will surely affect your electricity bill. Its simply NOT appealing at this price point. Maybe Nvidia will realize this and drop the price to $1799.99 or lower in due time.

 

The RTX 5080 has a rather mediocre uplift in performance over the 4080-Super, and the RTX 5070 just doesn't have enough VRAM once again. At this point the ONLY card that should have 12GB of RAM is the RTX 5060 and even the 5060-Ti should receive 16GB (Hopefully it does).

 

The one thing I am honestly hugely impressed by is the new cooler and PCB design. The super dense, small PCB and full flow-through cooling allowing the RTX 5090 to be a 2-slot card that draws 575 watts is simply amazing considering the absolute MONSTER GPUs we got last generation.

 

So ya, pretty disappointing overall. I wonder how Radeon RX 9000 will stack up...

[SorryBella]

11 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

and the RTX 5070 just doesn't have enough VRAM once again. At this point the ONLY card that should have 12GB of RAM is the RTX 5060 and even the 5060-Ti should receive 16GB (Hopefully it does).

11 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

I wonder how Radeon RX 9000 will stack up

9070XT will ship with 16GB thankfully and match up to 5070 on paper, but really thats all there's to it in terms of noise. No slated 80 and 90 series for RX9000, and as far as i heard from the news, that wont be planned at all. 

[CyberneticTitan]

All things considered, despite just moving from TSMC N4 to N4P (~5% uplift) and taking 4070 -> 5070 is ~4% more CUDA cores a 15+% uplift in performance is nothing to scoff at. Had Nvidia stuck with G6/G6X like AMD maybe a different story.

[WallacEngineering]

3 minutes ago, SorryBella said:

9070XT will ship with 16GB thankfully and match up to 5070 on paper, but really thats all there's to it in terms of noise. No slated 80 and 90 series for RX9000, and as far as i heard from the news, that wont be planned at all. 

Ya, AMD has officially bowed out of the high-end GPU market. Its rather unfortunate. However, the RX 9070-XT value may be even better than we originally thought (if leaks prove to be true).

 

A Benchmark on Black Ops 6 using the RX 9070-XT was apparently leaked. From what the article said, the 9070-XT showed an average of 99 FPS during 4K gaming without any upscaling or frame gen. If this proves to be true, this would put its performance closer to the RTX 5070-Ti rather than the Non-Ti. I will be quite impressed with AMDs advancement if this turns out to be the case.

 

As for me, I have had a 7900-XTX since May 2023 and I got it for a hell of a deal at the time and I am quite happy with it. The silver lining for myself is thanks to this rather slow advancement, my PC should remain relevant and relatively powerful for many years to come.

[WallacEngineering]

2 minutes ago, CyberneticTitan said:

All things considered, despite just moving from TSMC N4 to N4P (~5% uplift) and taking 4070 -> 5070 is ~4% more CUDA cores a 15+% uplift in performance is nothing to scoff at. Had Nvidia stuck with G6/G6X like AMD maybe a different story.

Its definitely impressive from a technical standpoint no doubt. But from a consumer standpoint, its simply not impressive overall.

 

Thats just the way it goes when you struggle to shrink transistors any further. Honestly its almost nobody's fault.

[SorryBella]

1 minute ago, WallacEngineering said:

A Benchmark on Black Ops 6

Is it the IGN one? If thats the one it wasnt properly done. The only reliable number we got is the leaked 3DMark ones, and those lined the 9070XT right on 4080 performance, which if we use historic hierarchy performance would line them up with the 5070. And with both at rumored 550-600 range itll be fun to see where itll go. 

[starsmine]

26 minutes ago, CyberneticTitan said:

All things considered, despite just moving from TSMC N4 to N4P (~5% uplift) and taking 4070 -> 5070 is ~4% more CUDA cores a 15+% uplift in performance is nothing to scoff at. Had Nvidia stuck with G6/G6X like AMD maybe a different story.

They didnt, 
4N is based off of N5 not N4, the 4NP for blackwell is also a varient of N5 or N5P. But it is not N4P. 

Dont worry, its not at all confusing /s

But this kind of performance increase for not doing a node shrink, and just being able to up the power 20% and actually see gains from that rather then diminishing returns is still nice for what it is. Without a node shrink, there isnt a whole lot one can expect in terms of performance increases. 

As for OP's question about what cards I would actually consider buying? 
a 5060ti 16GB or a 5060 12GB or a 9070 16GB as I expect the XT to be about 480-500 USD.

The 5090 is going to sell like hot cakes at 2000, and they will never drop the price because its also by far the most expensive to manufacture consumer card nvidia has ever made while being relativly cheap for a flagship, in the last decade, pretty much only the 4090 has been cheaper as a flaghsip. 

[WallacEngineering]

2 minutes ago, SorryBella said:

Is it the IGN one? If thats the one it wasnt properly done. The only reliable number we got is the leaked 3DMark ones, and those lined the 9070XT right on 4080 performance, which if we use historic hierarchy performance would line them up with the 5070. And with both at rumored 550-600 range itll be fun to see where itll go. 

Ah, yes I remember seeing an IGN article at some point. I figured it was probably too good to be true.

 

Im also interested in seeing what AMD has done with Ray Tracing for RX 9000. Supposedly they have closed the gap even further vith Nvidia and are apparently catching up very quickly.

 

The Ray Tracing performance on my 7900-XTX honestly isn't too bad. Of course the issue is you only get this decent Ray Tracing performance on AMD's highest tier card, so Im hoping they have advanced enough for these Mid-Tier cards to offer decent Ray-Tracing performance.

[Salted Spinach]

So 5070 is a 4070Ti with same 12GB VRAM and more fake frames

 

Hopefully the 5060 segment gets at least 12GB of VRAM as standard now

[QuantumRand]

4 hours ago, WallacEngineering said:

- RTX 5090 is about 30% faster than RTX 4090

 

- RTX 5080 is about 15% faster than RTX 4080-Super

 

- RTX 5070-Ti is about 20% faster than RTX 4070-Ti-Super

 

- RTX 5070 is about 20% faster than RTX 4070

I'm pretty sure these numbers are from Nvidia directly, averaging results from Resident Evil 4, Horizon Forbidden West, and DaVinci Resolve. Nvidia did not reveal the settings they used during these tests other than whether or not RT or DLSS was used.

 

I'm willing to believe the RTX 5090 will be about 30% faster than the 4090 in compute/rasterization, but the other comparisons seem a bit optimistic in my opinion. I think games that can take advantage of more memory bandwidth can hit those numbers, but I suspect the broader averages will be more like 10-15% faster than the previous generation.

[ProtoSpaceship]

As a (not so)proud owner of 10G 3080, I'm definitely look up to 5080. I want this 16G vram, and full stack of AI thingamagic that should make my precious ray tracing even more spectacular and less laggy. )

[Dedayog]

On 1/16/2025 at 12:27 AM, WallacEngineering said:

So, performance of the RTX 5000 series WITHOUT AI, Upscaling, or Frame Gen have been revealed.

 

Its disappointing, but not horrible. So lets get into it. Of course you should wait for independent reviews before pulling the trigger, but this should give you something to start thinking about if you are considering upgrading this generation.

 

- RTX 5090 is about 30% faster than RTX 4090

 

- RTX 5080 is about 15% faster than RTX 4080-Super

 

- RTX 5070-Ti is about 20% faster than RTX 4070-Ti-Super

 

- RTX 5070 is about 20% faster than RTX 4070

 

With all that being said, which cards should you be considering? Well in my opinion, there is only one good option - the RTX 5070-Ti.

 

The reason? Well, 16GB is just enough VRAM, a 20% performance boost means the 5070-Ti performance should match the 4080-Super, and all of this PLUS the new technologies for $749.99 USD seems like a decent deal to me considering the 4070-Ti-Super released at $799.99 and the RTX 4080-Super was $999.99.

 

The RTX 4080-Super is already a very capable 4K Gaming card on High Settings and will max out 144Hz Monitors in 3440x1440p and 2560x1440p resolutions on mostly Ultra settings in most cases.

 

This is very nice to see at a price point well below $1000 USD. I would say this is the only "good" value card out of the entire 5000 series line up so far.

 

The RTX 5090 is just too stupidly expensive. Ya sure, its 30% faster but its also $1999.99 USD while the 4090 launched at $1599.99. Thats a massive 25% inflation in price, and don't forget the 5090 now draws 575 watts, which will surely affect your electricity bill. Its simply NOT appealing at this price point. Maybe Nvidia will realize this and drop the price to $1799.99 or lower in due time.

 

The RTX 5080 has a rather mediocre uplift in performance over the 4080-Super, and the RTX 5070 just doesn't have enough VRAM once again. At this point the ONLY card that should have 12GB of RAM is the RTX 5060 and even the 5060-Ti should receive 16GB (Hopefully it does).

 

The one thing I am honestly hugely impressed by is the new cooler and PCB design. The super dense, small PCB and full flow-through cooling allowing the RTX 5090 to be a 2-slot card that draws 575 watts is simply amazing considering the absolute MONSTER GPUs we got last generation.

 

So ya, pretty disappointing overall. I wonder how Radeon RX 9000 will stack up...

Maybe actually test them first?

 

Not sure what weight your opinion carries with no actual testing done but we can't know how they stack up without actually using them

 

Short-sighted post.

[WallacEngineering]

4 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Maybe actually test them first?

 

Not sure what weight your opinion carries with no actual testing done but we can't know how they stack up without actually using them

 

Short-sighted post.

Well the RTX 5090 has been tested now by GN and the numbers were correct. Improvement over the RTX 4090 is about 30-35% on average, with higher margins at higher resolutions which makes sense because the card is way too powerful to realistically use at lower resolutions anyways, and lower resolutions just make it look worse.

 

Literally every time I see your name on this forum you just troll people. Thats all you ever do. To be honest, if you want to stop choking on your own foot, you should probably just stop replying to topics.

 

So ya, the conclusion in the OP stands. The RTX 5070-Ti is the only option that makes sense for the vast majority of gamers. I guess you could maybe argue the RTX 5080 as it isn't completely terrible, but it just isn't as good of a value and not really necessary anyways. The RTX 4080-Super was already powerful enough for people even playing at 4K, so what's the point?

 

Its either you are a part of the 1% and have loads of cash to dump down the drain and you don't care about value whatsoever and then you go for the 5090, or for anyone else you go for the 5070-Ti. It really is that simple, don't know what else to tell you. Perhaps the 5060 will shake things up but it will be a while before we even see the 60 class, and if it has any less than 12GB of VRAM then it will be a dud too.

[WallacEngineering]

6 hours ago, ProtoSpaceship said:

As a (not so)proud owner of 10G 3080, I'm definitely look up to 5080. I want this 16G vram, and full stack of AI thingamagic that should make my precious ray tracing even more spectacular and less laggy. )

Honestly, you only need the 5080 if you want Ultra Settings at 4K in which case 16GB of VRAM may actually start to become an issue in some games. 16GB is enough the vast majority of the time sure, but not always, so you are spending the extra $250 USD over the 5070-Ti to achieve very little.

 

The 5070-Ti is a very capable 4K Gaming card and will get high framerates on high settings just like the 4080-Super does. Nobody ever complained about the performance of the 4080-Super and it will be the same story with the 5070-Ti so if you ask me, you should just save the $250 while also saving on the power bill and still end up with basically the same experience.

 

Trust me, I game on the 7900-XTX which is slightly faster than the 4080-Super and it is a superb experience.

 

I guess there would be one good reason for the 5080 and that is Ray Tracing. Since enabling Ray Tracing drops your performance, the extra horsepower of the 5080 over the 5070-Ti would actually prove worthwhile. However, I would say the extra cost and power only makes sense for those who play with Ray Tracing in almost every game. If you prefer raster with higher framerates, then the 5070-Ti is definitely the way to go.

 

If you are kinda 50/50 on Ray Tracing then the same could be said for the purchase decision between the 5070-Ti and the 5080. Ray Tracing will pretty much be the deciding factor between the two cards, but keep in mind that its not like the 5070-Ti will be terrible at Ray Tracing, it just wont have the nice higher framerate of the 5080, and thats pretty much it.

[Middcore]

49 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

Well the RTX 5090 has been tested now by GN and the numbers were correct. Improvement over the RTX 4090 is about 30-35% on average, with higher margins at higher resolutions which makes sense because the card is way too powerful to realistically use at lower resolutions anyways, and lower resolutions just make it look worse.

 

Literally every time I see your name on this forum you just troll people. Thats all you ever do. To be honest, if you want to stop choking on your own foot, you should probably just stop replying to topics.

 

I think the way you presented this as "my personal recommendation" could rub some people the wrong way. You may have meant it as just "This is just my personal opinion," but it comes off kind of like you're positioning yourself as an authority. 

[WallacEngineering]

17 hours ago, Middcore said:

 

I think the way you presented this as "my personal recommendation" could rub some people the wrong way. You may have meant it as just "This is just my personal opinion," but it comes off kind of like you're positioning yourself as an authority. 

Um Personal Recommendation is the same as Personal Opinion. Or at least it is when you are talking about purchasing products or taking most actions.

 

If I recommend that you do or purchase something, then it is obviously my OPINION that you should be purchasing or doing that thing. Theres no difference. An opinion of whether or not you should do or buy something IS a recommendation to do or buy said thing.

 

If people want to get that upset on the Internet about using one word versus the other that literally mean the same thing then I guess that just proves to me how pathetic people on the Internet actually are.

 

People need to chill. Its an opinion, its a recommendation. If you don't like it, then you don't have to listen. Its that simple. You wouldn't go to GN's comments on a video and call him an idiot for recommending a product. Well, some people do but again those kind of people belong in elementary school.

 

Anyone in the world can express their opinions/recommendations on anything or any topic at any given time. No opinion or recommendation is any more important than anyone elses. If you can't handle that, then you probably shouldn't be on forums at all.

 

Im not sure where you get "Authority" from but theres literally no such thing as Authority when it comes to opinions and recommendations. People have different opinions and recommendations based off the different experiences they have. Internet "reviewers" or "influencers" get things incorrect and spread misinformation on a daily basis so just because someone is a "reviewer" or "influencer" doesn't give them any authority either. Again, no opinion or recommendation is any more important than anyone elses.

 

Ill give you a good example. I watched GN, Linus, and Hardware Unboxed reviews of the RTX 5090. Do I care in the slightest what any of them had to say about it? Nope, not even a little bit. All I watched those reviews for is the raw data, the NUMBERS, nothing else. My opinion/recommendation on whether or not to purchase the card is my own and I don't care what any of them have to say about it. The cooling solution and making it a 2-Slot 575W card is amazing no doubt, but its not worth $2000 and thats just my opinion/recommendation on the matter - Done and done, thats all there is to it.

[Middcore]

1 hour ago, WallacEngineering said:

Um Personal Recommendation is the same as Personal Opinion. Or at least it is when you are talking about purchasing products or taking most actions.

 

If I recommend that you do or purchase something, then it is obviously my OPINION that you should be purchasing or doing that thing. Theres no difference. An opinion of whether or not you should do or buy something IS a recommendation to do or buy said thing.

 

If people want to get that upset on the Internet about using one word versus the other that literally mean the same thing then I guess that just proves to me how pathetic people on the Internet actually are.

 

People need to chill. Its an opinion, its a recommendation. If you don't like it, then you don't have to listen. Its that simple. You wouldn't go to GN's comments on a video and call him an idiot for recommending a product. Well, some people do but again those kind of people belong in elementary school.

 

Anyone in the world can express their opinions/recommendations on anything or any topic at any given time. No opinion or recommendation is any more important than anyone elses. If you can't handle that, then you probably shouldn't be on forums at all.

 

Im not sure where you get "Authority" from but theres literally no such thing as Authority when it comes to opinions and recommendations. People have different opinions and recommendations based off the different experiences they have. Internet "reviewers" or "influencers" get things incorrect and spread misinformation on a daily basis so just because someone is a "reviewer" or "influencer" doesn't give them any authority either. Again, no opinion or recommendation is any more important than anyone elses.

 

Ill give you a good example. I watched GN, Linus, and Hardware Unboxed reviews of the RTX 5090. Do I care in the slightest what any of them had to say about it? Nope, not even a little bit. All I watched those reviews for is the raw data, the NUMBERS, nothing else. My opinion/recommendation on whether or not to purchase the card is my own and I don't care what any of them have to say about it. The cooling solution and making it a 2-Slot 575W card is amazing no doubt, but its not worth $2000 and thats just my opinion/recommendation on the matter - Done and done, thats all there is to it.

Not reading all of that. I tried to help you by telling you why the way you present your views might result in a less-than-positive response. Take it or leave it.

[WallacEngineering]

19 minutes ago, Middcore said:

Not reading all of that. I tried to help you by telling you why the way you present your views might result in a less-than-positive response. Take it or leave it.

I honestly don't care. But if you don't have the attention span to read then why reply? Makes no sense whatsoever.

[ProtoSpaceship]

On 1/23/2025 at 11:02 PM, WallacEngineering said:

Honestly, you only need the 5080 if you want Ultra Settings at 4K in which case 16GB of VRAM may actually start to become an issue in some games. 16GB is enough the vast majority of the time sure, but not always, so you are spending the extra $250 USD over the 5070-Ti to achieve very little.

 

The 5070-Ti is a very capable 4K Gaming card and will get high framerates on high settings just like the 4080-Super does. Nobody ever complained about the performance of the 4080-Super and it will be the same story with the 5070-Ti so if you ask me, you should just save the $250 while also saving on the power bill and still end up with basically the same experience.

 

Trust me, I game on the 7900-XTX which is slightly faster than the 4080-Super and it is a superb experience.

 

I guess there would be one good reason for the 5080 and that is Ray Tracing. Since enabling Ray Tracing drops your performance, the extra horsepower of the 5080 over the 5070-Ti would actually prove worthwhile. However, I would say the extra cost and power only makes sense for those who play with Ray Tracing in almost every game. If you prefer raster with higher framerates, then the 5070-Ti is definitely the way to go.

 

If you are kinda 50/50 on Ray Tracing then the same could be said for the purchase decision between the 5070-Ti and the 5080. Ray Tracing will pretty much be the deciding factor between the two cards, but keep in mind that its not like the 5070-Ti will be terrible at Ray Tracing, it just wont have the nice higher framerate of the 5080, and thats pretty much it.

RT for life. ) Well my use case a bit of specific, i'm on 2k monitor, but also run VR games and those is more or less 4k. And although 3080 still got it, 10GB VRAM becomes a bottleneck even in a flat games. So it's time to change gears and 5080 looks like one that can carry my setup for another 3 years or so. )