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I have an NVIDIA GTX 1070, and am looking for an upgrade. I recently reached out to ChatGPT for help, it recommended the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX for my needs.
I use MSI afterburner to overclock my GPU.
 
What I'll use a GPU for:
 
Gaming: I need to get at least 500 fps when in 1440p (would like to get 500 fps with a 4K monitor) when recording and streaming, at least for TF2 and Minecraft. I'm fine with getting only around 240 fps for other less competitive games, like certain AAA titles. In In Minecraft, I need the GPU to meet the 500 fps requirement when streaming and recording while playing on at least 32 chunks. I use mods to get more FPS. In TF2, I want to maintain 500 fps while playing with up to 32 players with DX level 95 enabled. The other settings don’t change much, except that I can tell the mouth animations are affected by them. DX level 95 looks good, while lower levels like DX 80-81 look terrible.
 
In other games like Hogwarts Legacy, GTA 5-6 and wii games, I only need maybe 240 fps. Ray tracing might be really good in those games, but I'm mostly focused on getting a GPU for Minecraft and TF2.
 
My current GPU's performance while interpolating a video (which is CPU-intensive, even though I paused the interpolation) is as follows: The average FPS in TF2 with DX 81 is 171.25 when I accidentally kept my GPU at the max underclock. With the maximum stable overclock (+150 MHz core clock, +550 MHz memory clock), it reaches 169.37 fps this time. With DX 95, the good graphics, I got 210.97 FPS (measured by taking the average FPS before the first control point got captured on Dustbowl)
 
I think I got my monitor too recently to upgrade (I got a 240 Hz 1080p two and a half years ago), but if I wanted to get one right now, this is the one I would get, it's the closest things I found to an OLED, low response time, 500 Hz 4K monitor: https://se.pcpartpicker.com/product/xY4Zxr/asus-rog-swift-oled-pg27aqdp-265-2560-x-1440-480-hz-monitor-90lm0a20-b01ab0
What do you think of that monitor?
 
AI Tasks: I use Topaz Video Enhance AI and Flowframes to upscale and interpolate videos. I use Flowframes more often since I don’t upscale movies and series, but rather interpolate them (to 240 fps right now, though I’ll start doing 480 fps or whatever frequency my next monitor supports). An hour-long episode typically contains 86,400 frames, which becomes 1,728,000 frames after interpolation. With 48 frames rendered per second (usually 960p), it means I’ll finish interpolating an hour-long video in ten hours. I’ll take that. My current GPU maxes out at 18 fps and drops to 4 fps when it’s about halfway through. It can take around 72 hours to process a video like that (I let it render overnight). The 4090 must be the best for all these tasks, but I only use AI tasks for fun to enhance my viewing experience. The XTX doesn’t perform much worse and is much cheaper. Noise is important, I'd rather not, but I might install noctua fans if it's too loud, but only if it's relatively safe to do, I have experience in assemblings computers. Value is important too, I don't want to do something like pay 200% more for +30% performance which I heard NVIDIA does sometimes.
I asked ChatGPT for help, he recommended the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX. Even though it's a bit slower than the 4090 and maybe 4080, it's cheaper and is still great for the gaming and AI tasks. He also said that the 4090 is the best performing GPU, but it's not perfect since budget is also a concern, it's probably a pretty loud GPU too, at least under load. I live in Sweden, and GPUs are more expensive in this country than USA, things usually cost $100 more except with the 4090 costing around *$2100* instead of just $1600. Do you agree with the RX 7900 XTX recommendation based on my needs? What other GPUs should I consider that balance gaming and AI-performance? I’m open to suggestions, but I’d like to keep it mildly budget-friendly. I'm probably willing to spend a lot of money on it, that's not what I mean with budget-friendly, I just want to make sure I get a good deal, and it should also be balanced. Should I care about ray tracing? It is definitely not going to be important for competitive gaming, but it would make GTA more enjoyable if it can maintain good FPS. How much VRAM do I want? There are moments where my GPU is literally unable to interpolate videos because of only having 8 GB VRAM, that's the error it says. Is the RX 7900 XTX well-cooled and as quiet under load as my current GPU?
 
This should be all the necessary information once I add my current PC build. Let me know if I need to clarify anything. I appreciate any thoughts or advice you can share—thanks!https://se.pcpartpicker.com/user/PolishGuy/saved/nJkmLk  <- What is that small thing?
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1 minute ago, PolishGod said:
Hello everyone.
 
I have an NVIDIA GTX 1070, and am looking for an upgrade. I recently reached out to ChatGPT for help, it recommended the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX for my needs.
I use MSI afterburner to overclock my GPU.
 
What I'll use a GPU for:
 
Gaming: I need to get at least 500 fps when in 1440p (would like to get 500 fps with a 4K monitor) when recording and streaming, at least for TF2 and Minecraft. I'm fine with getting only around 240 fps for other less competitive games, like certain AAA titles. In In Minecraft, I need the GPU to meet the 500 fps requirement when streaming and recording while playing on at least 32 chunks. I use mods to get more FPS. In TF2, I want to maintain 500 fps while playing with up to 32 players with DX level 95 enabled. The other settings don’t change much, except that I can tell the mouth animations are affected by them. DX level 95 looks good, while lower levels like DX 80-81 look terrible.
 
In other games like Hogwarts Legacy, GTA 5-6 and wii games, I only need maybe 240 fps. Ray tracing might be really good in those games, but I'm mostly focused on getting a GPU for Minecraft and TF2.
 
My current GPU's performance while interpolating a video (which is CPU-intensive, even though I paused the interpolation) is as follows: The average FPS in TF2 with DX 81 is 171.25 when I accidentally kept my GPU at the max underclock. With the maximum stable overclock (+150 MHz core clock, +550 MHz memory clock), it reaches 169.37 fps this time. With DX 95, the good graphics, I got 210.97 FPS (measured by taking the average FPS before the first control point got captured on Dustbowl)
 
I think I got my monitor too recently to upgrade (I got a 240 Hz 1080p two and a half years ago), but if I wanted to get one right now, this is the one I would get, it's the closest things I found to an OLED, low response time, 500 Hz 4K monitor: https://se.pcpartpicker.com/product/xY4Zxr/asus-rog-swift-oled-pg27aqdp-265-2560-x-1440-480-hz-monitor-90lm0a20-b01ab0
What do you think of that monitor?
 
AI Tasks: I use Topaz Video Enhance AI and Flowframes to upscale and interpolate videos. I use Flowframes more often since I don’t upscale movies and series, but rather interpolate them (to 240 fps right now, though I’ll start doing 480 fps or whatever frequency my next monitor supports). An hour-long episode typically contains 86,400 frames, which becomes 1,728,000 frames after interpolation. With 48 frames rendered per second (usually 960p), it means I’ll finish interpolating an hour-long video in ten hours. I’ll take that. My current GPU maxes out at 18 fps and drops to 4 fps when it’s about halfway through. It can take around 72 hours to process a video like that (I let it render overnight). The 4090 must be the best for all these tasks, but I only use AI tasks for fun to enhance my viewing experience. The XTX doesn’t perform much worse and is much cheaper. Noise is important, I'd rather not, but I might install noctua fans if it's too loud, but only if it's relatively safe to do, I have experience in assemblings computers. Value is important too, I don't want to do something like pay 200% more for +30% performance which I heard NVIDIA does sometimes.
I asked ChatGPT for help, he recommended the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX. Even though it's a bit slower than the 4090 and maybe 4080, it's cheaper and is still great for the gaming and AI tasks. He also said that the 4090 is the best performing GPU, but it's not perfect since budget is also a concern, it's probably a pretty loud GPU too, at least under load. I live in Sweden, and GPUs are more expensive in this country than USA, things usually cost $100 more except with the 4090 costing around *$2100* instead of just $1600. Do you agree with the RX 7900 XTX recommendation based on my needs? What other GPUs should I consider that balance gaming and AI-performance? I’m open to suggestions, but I’d like to keep it mildly budget-friendly. I'm probably willing to spend a lot of money on it, that's not what I mean with budget-friendly, I just want to make sure I get a good deal, and it should also be balanced. Should I care about ray tracing? It is definitely not going to be important for competitive gaming, but it would make GTA more enjoyable if it can maintain good FPS. How much VRAM do I want? There are moments where my GPU is literally unable to interpolate videos because of only having 8 GB VRAM, that's the error it says. Is the RX 7900 XTX well-cooled and as quiet under load as my current GPU?
 
This should be all the necessary information once I add my current PC build. Let me know if I need to clarify anything. I appreciate any thoughts or advice you can share—thanks!https://se.pcpartpicker.com/user/PolishGuy/saved/nJkmLk  <- What is that small thing?

GTA6 240Hz at 1440p.  Maybe the 5090 with full DLSS4?

 

No offence but you're coming from a 7 year old 1070.   I am not sure how needing 500fps factors in here at all.

 

I do not understand the interpolating videos to 480fps at all.

 

This post reads like you own an old Civic but need a 1200hp, 250mph car....  I can't jive the haves vs wants.

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10 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

I need to get at least 500 fps when in 1440p

Some esports games may do it thats it. Not even neccesarily issues with gpu's being to weak more so HARD game engine limits. Be happy already if you are given beyond 144fps.

 

TIme to temper your expectations you want everything but you flat out CANT have it all.

 

The 4090 ISNT a 4k high refresh native gpu. The 5090 may be closer but I doubt it. Temper your expectations you are asking for more than hardware can do and more than what most are willing to optimize their games for

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3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

GTA6 240Hz at 1440p.  Maybe the 5090 with full DLSS4?

 

No offence but you're coming from a 7 year old 1070.   I am not sure how needing 500fps factors in here at all.

 

I do not understand the interpolating videos to 480fps at all.

 

This post reads like you own an old Civic but need a 1200hp, 250mph car....  I can't jive the haves vs wants.

 

"GTA6 240Hz at 1440p.  Maybe the 5090 with full DLSS4?" No, I'll live without GTA 6 if I have to get an NVIDIA card with fake frames, probably. Remember that I want a balanced card, one worth its price.

 

"No offence but you're coming from a 7 year old 1070.   I am not sure how needing 500fps factors in here at all." Isn't it supersimple? I'm a good FPS-gamer, higher FPS means better accuracy and stuff.

 

"I do not understand the interpolating videos to 480fps at all." Interpolating a video from 24 to 480 fps means you use AI to put in fake frames between all two frames.

 

"This post reads like you own an old Civic but need a 1200hp, 250mph car....  I can't jive the haves vs wants." I don't know what to respond to this. I usually look for new components when my current ones are old.

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Some esports games may do it thats it. Not even neccesarily issues with gpu's being to weak more so HARD game engine limits. Be happy already if you are given beyond 144fps.

 

TIme to temper your expectations you want everything but you flat out CANT have it all.

 

The 4090 ISNT a 4k high refresh native gpu. The 5090 may be closer but I doubt it. Temper your expectations you are asking for more than hardware can do and more than what most are willing to optimize their games for

I'm not going to try and trick myself to be happy with 144 fps, that leaves little reason to get such a high refresh-rate monitor.

"TIme to temper your expectations you want everything but you flat out CANT have it all." I disagree because there's a lot of things to consider, mods can increase the native framerate from 50 to numbers like 600 which is insane. That's on my GTX 1070. A guy who knows little about computers but is fortunate to get an expensive computer (that I think has a 4090 in it) can get THOUSANDS of FPS, how different is that from what I want?

"The 4090 ISNT a 4k high refresh native gpu. The 5090 may be closer but I doubt it. Temper your expectations you are asking for more than hardware can do and more than what most are willing to optimize their games for"

Okay, I'm not looking for the 4K monitor I mentioned because I looked and don't think one exists yet, but 1440p perhaps? I'd rather wait for hardware to evolve than get something worse.

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3 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

I'm not going to try and trick myself to be happy with 144 fps, that leaves little reason to get such a high refresh-rate monitor.

"TIme to temper your expectations you want everything but you flat out CANT have it all." I disagree because there's a lot of things to consider, mods can increase the native framerate from 50 to numbers like 600 which is insane. That's on my GTX 1070. A guy who knows little about computers but is fortunate to get an expensive computer (that I think has a 4090 in it) can get THOUSANDS of FPS, how different is that from what I want?

"The 4090 ISNT a 4k high refresh native gpu. The 5090 may be closer but I doubt it. Temper your expectations you are asking for more than hardware can do and more than what most are willing to optimize their games for"

Okay, I'm not looking for the 4K monitor I mentioned because I looked and don't think one exists yet, but 1440p perhaps? I'd rather wait for hardware to evolve than get something worse.

He can't get THOUSANDS of FPS though.  It's not possible, unless you run a stupid low resolution and modify settings to go below LOW.  What benefit is 2000fps though?

 

You're throwing numbers out that are meaningless, only to satisfy a wallet spend.  480Hz+ monitor?  Why?   500fps?  Why?  I ask in all sincerity about what benefit do they bring to the table over anything else?

 

Again, you';re stating you'd rather tech evolve to meet your expectations but what you currently have is fairly weak.  What happened that makes you need such high end tech?

 

I am more trying to slow your roll and save you money against misguided and misunderstood expectations.  There is no benefit to what you're looking for, so I am questioning why you're chasing said waterfall.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

mods can increase the native framerate from 50 to numbers like 600 which is insane.

It depends on the game. Games like gta 5 and hogwarts just don't go super high. They literally are limited by their core coding inneficiencies.

 

6 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

can get THOUSANDS of FPS,

I can to in some games with a 7900 gre or hell my 3070 laptop or my old vega 56 or... it all DEPENDS on what games they are. There's HEAPS of games that are by now SUPER easy to run but legit can not reach the fps you want as they run into coding limits. Sure some people have been able to make a mod that can unlock it to varying degrees of success but most games just are forever locked to whatever the engine behind them could do.

 

8 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

yet, but 1440p perhaps?

Yeah sure the 1440p stupid high refresh rate ones are coming out/just out but like the game selection that can do it is limited. Hell theres a shitton of wii games that you can emulate at stupid high fps but it breaks their internal logic to hell and back so much they are unplayable. Gta 5 has a HARD limit of 150fps before it becomes unstable and crashes for example. Yes people have pushed it past 190 but the game HARD crashes. It wasn't made to handle that. Most people limit to 120fps as that is widely considerd stable. Hogwarts hovers around 110 fps for the most part but doesn't go higher no matter the hardware normally last I checked.

 

So yeah don't waste money on such a stupid screen. Also keep in mind that the difference between a 240hz OLED or 480hz OLED screen is ONE milisecond which is hard core in the margin of error for us humans to the point lots of people don't even notice it. You can get a bigger upgrade by just going to a 240hz OLED over an ips due to their MUCH faster response times.

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2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

He can't get THOUSANDS of FPS though.  It's not possible, unless you run a stupid low resolution and modify settings to go below LOW.  What benefit is 2000fps though?

 

You're throwing numbers out that are meaningless, only to satisfy a wallet spend.  480Hz+ monitor?  Why?   500fps?  Why?  I ask in all sincerity about what benefit do they bring to the table over anything else?

 

Again, you';re stating you'd rather tech evolve to meet your expectations but what you currently have is fairly weak.  What happened that makes you need such high end tech?

 

I am more trying to slow your roll and save you money against misguided and misunderstood expectations.  There is no benefit to what you're looking for, so I am questioning why you're chasing said waterfall.

 

 

 

"He can't get THOUSANDS of FPS though.  It's not possible, unless you run a stupid low resolution and modify settings to go below LOW.  What benefit is 2000fps though?" It was likely at the lowest settings, but I don't know what resolution he used.

 

"You're throwing numbers out that are meaningless, only to satisfy a wallet spend.  480Hz+ monitor?  Why?   500fps?  Why?  I ask in all sincerity about what benefit do they bring to the table over anything else?" I don't like spending money, I am very responsible with how I use it.

480 hz over 240 hz will make me a better gamer, if I'm mistaken, I will find out myself.

 

"Again, you';re stating you'd rather tech evolve to meet your expectations but what you currently have is fairly weak.  What happened that makes you need such high end tech?

 

I am more trying to slow your roll and save you money against misguided and misunderstood expectations.  There is no benefit to what you're looking for, so I am questioning why you're chasing said waterfall." I explained this before.

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9 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

I'm not going to try and trick myself to be happy with 144 fps, that leaves little reason to get such a high refresh-rate monitor.

"TIme to temper your expectations you want everything but you flat out CANT have it all." I disagree because there's a lot of things to consider, mods can increase the native framerate from 50 to numbers like 600 which is insane. That's on my GTX 1070. A guy who knows little about computers but is fortunate to get an expensive computer (that I think has a 4090 in it) can get THOUSANDS of FPS, how different is that from what I want?

"The 4090 ISNT a 4k high refresh native gpu. The 5090 may be closer but I doubt it. Temper your expectations you are asking for more than hardware can do and more than what most are willing to optimize their games for"

Okay, I'm not looking for the 4K monitor I mentioned because I looked and don't think one exists yet, but 1440p perhaps? I'd rather wait for hardware to evolve than get something worse.

you should look up "placebo effect"...

 

just because you can do some fake "frame generation" with mods or otherwise doesn't mean better responsiveness necessarily,  in fact responsiveness could get worse, despite "higher numbers"...

 

on other hand, i can do 360fps in ow pretty easily... it just doesn't do all that much because i have a 165hz monitor... point is, in some games its easily possible to get "500" fps native, without "fake frames" inserted one way or another,  so not all hope is lost, i guess. as for gpu choice,  it obviously depends on your budget, we can't really tell you much more than chatgtp dude (who's also fake btw...) 

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41 minutes ago, PolishGod said:
Hello everyone.
 
I have an NVIDIA GTX 1070, and am looking for an upgrade. I recently reached out to ChatGPT for help, it recommended the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX for my needs.
I use MSI afterburner to overclock my GPU.
 
What I'll use a GPU for:
 
Gaming: I need to get at least 500 fps when in 1440p (would like to get 500 fps with a 4K monitor) when recording and streaming, at least for TF2 and Minecraft. I'm fine with getting only around 240 fps for other less competitive games, like certain AAA titles. In In Minecraft, I need the GPU to meet the 500 fps requirement when streaming and recording while playing on at least 32 chunks. I use mods to get more FPS. In TF2, I want to maintain 500 fps while playing with up to 32 players with DX level 95 enabled. The other settings don’t change much, except that I can tell the mouth animations are affected by them. DX level 95 looks good, while lower levels like DX 80-81 look terrible.
 
In other games like Hogwarts Legacy, GTA 5-6 and wii games, I only need maybe 240 fps. Ray tracing might be really good in those games, but I'm mostly focused on getting a GPU for Minecraft and TF2.
 
My current GPU's performance while interpolating a video (which is CPU-intensive, even though I paused the interpolation) is as follows: The average FPS in TF2 with DX 81 is 171.25 when I accidentally kept my GPU at the max underclock. With the maximum stable overclock (+150 MHz core clock, +550 MHz memory clock), it reaches 169.37 fps this time. With DX 95, the good graphics, I got 210.97 FPS (measured by taking the average FPS before the first control point got captured on Dustbowl)
 
I think I got my monitor too recently to upgrade (I got a 240 Hz 1080p two and a half years ago), but if I wanted to get one right now, this is the one I would get, it's the closest things I found to an OLED, low response time, 500 Hz 4K monitor: https://se.pcpartpicker.com/product/xY4Zxr/asus-rog-swift-oled-pg27aqdp-265-2560-x-1440-480-hz-monitor-90lm0a20-b01ab0
What do you think of that monitor?
 
AI Tasks: I use Topaz Video Enhance AI and Flowframes to upscale and interpolate videos. I use Flowframes more often since I don’t upscale movies and series, but rather interpolate them (to 240 fps right now, though I’ll start doing 480 fps or whatever frequency my next monitor supports). An hour-long episode typically contains 86,400 frames, which becomes 1,728,000 frames after interpolation. With 48 frames rendered per second (usually 960p), it means I’ll finish interpolating an hour-long video in ten hours. I’ll take that. My current GPU maxes out at 18 fps and drops to 4 fps when it’s about halfway through. It can take around 72 hours to process a video like that (I let it render overnight). The 4090 must be the best for all these tasks, but I only use AI tasks for fun to enhance my viewing experience. The XTX doesn’t perform much worse and is much cheaper. Noise is important, I'd rather not, but I might install noctua fans if it's too loud, but only if it's relatively safe to do, I have experience in assemblings computers. Value is important too, I don't want to do something like pay 200% more for +30% performance which I heard NVIDIA does sometimes.
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1 minute ago, jaslion said:

It depends on the game. Games like gta 5 and hogwarts just don't go super high. They literally are limited by their core coding inneficiencies.

 

I can to in some games with a 7900 gre or hell my 3070 laptop or my old vega 56 or... it all DEPENDS on what games they are. There's HEAPS of games that are by now SUPER easy to run but legit can not reach the fps you want as they run into coding limits. Sure some people have been able to make a mod that can unlock it to varying degrees of success but most games just are forever locked to whatever the engine behind them could do.

 

Yeah sure the 1440p stupid high refresh rate ones are coming out/just out but like the game selection that can do it is limited. Hell theres a shitton of wii games that you can emulate at stupid high fps but it breaks their internal logic to hell and back so much they are unplayable. Gta 5 has a HARD limit of 150fps before it becomes unstable and crashes for example. Yes people have pushed it past 190 but the game HARD crashes. It wasn't made to handle that. Most people limit to 120fps as that is widely considerd stable. Hogwarts hovers around 110 fps for the most part but doesn't go higher no matter the hardware normally last I checked.

 

So yeah don't waste money on such a stupid screen. Also keep in mind that the difference between a 240hz OLED or 480hz OLED screen is ONE milisecond which is hard core in the margin of error for us humans to the point lots of people don't even notice it. You can get a bigger upgrade by just going to a 240hz OLED over an ips due to their MUCH faster response times.

"I can to in some games with a 7900 gre or hell my 3070 laptop or my old vega 56 or... it all DEPENDS on what games they are. There's HEAPS of games that are by now SUPER easy to run but legit can not reach the fps you want as they run into coding limits. Sure some people have been able to make a mod that can unlock it to varying degrees of success but most games just are forever locked to whatever the engine behind them could do." Is Minecraft and TF2 locked in terms of framerate?

"Yeah sure the 1440p stupid high refresh rate ones are coming out/just out but like the game selection that can do it is limited" It's not stupid, it's a very smart high refresh rate, actually. "Gta 5 has a HARD limit of 150fps before it becomes unstable and crashes for example." Can you show a video explaining that? I've always thought I played it in 242 Hz and that the crashes are because of something else (Why allow framerates that crash?)

It only crashes sometimes though.

All those games are games I'd play to have fun though, I usually play Minecraft and TF2 because I am very good at those and that's where I need high FPS.

"So yeah don't waste money on such a stupid screen. Also keep in mind that the difference between a 240hz OLED or 480hz OLED screen is ONE milisecond which is hard core in the margin of error for us humans to the point lots of people don't even notice it. You can get a bigger upgrade by just going to a 240hz OLED over an ips due to their MUCH faster response times." I don't understand the one millisecond part, I can tell if I accidentally set my monitor to 120 hz, and can probably tell if I accidentally set a 480 hz monitor to 240 hz.

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4 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

He can't get THOUSANDS of FPS

he can....... yes, there are often some limitations, doesn't mean it cant go over 1000 fps... 

 

but bro, do you really want that,  last time i played something at over 1000fps the coilwhine was *insane*... it was all i could think of and how and when my computer will explode... 😅

 

 

it's not an enjoyable experience at all 🤢

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Just now, Mark Kaine said:

he can....... yes, there are often some limitations, doesn't mean it cant go over 1000 fps... 

 

but bro, do you really want that,  last time i played something at over 1000fps the coilwhine was *insane*... it was all i could think of and how and when my computer will explode... 😅

 

 

it's not an enjoyable experience at all 🤢

When I still had my 7950x3D, I could hit 1400 fps 1080p low in mission in Warframe. No coil whine.

 

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33 minutes ago, jaslion said:

more so HARD game engine limits.

as above,  just because it can happen doesn't mean all games are trashy like that, the highest i got was colin mcrae 4 (i think), around 1200fps stable, and that's on a like 2017 laptop (no coilwhine either!) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  

 

ps: as for older Japanese console games, you cant run them at higher framerates typically because the framerates are often tied to physics and other stuff, so technically you can, it just makes *zero* sense lol.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

you should look up "placebo effect"...

 

just because you can do some fake "frame generation" with mods or otherwise doesn't mean better responsiveness necessarily,  in fact responsiveness could get worse, despite "higher numbers"...

 

on other hand, i can do 360fps in ow pretty easily... it just doesn't do all that much because i have a 165hz monitor... point is, in some games its easily possible to get "500" fps native, without "fake frames" inserted one way or another,  so not all hope is lost, i guess. as for gpu choice,  it obviously depends on your budget, we can't really tell you much more than chatgtp dude (who's also fake btw...) 

I know what the placebo effect is, it's when people experience a good effect except it's entirely psychological!

I am not generating fake frames with mods, I didn't make those mods, but I think they optimize the games instead. Fake frames would depend more on the GPU or game itself, I think. You might've thought about Flowframes instead? I use Flowframes to interpolate the framerate of titles from 24 to 240 fps. Some people say 24 fps is better, I say 240 fps is better of course, except when Flowframes gets a bit confused with the generation of fake frames.

"on other hand, i can do 360fps in ow pretty easily... it just doesn't do all that much because i have a 165hz monitor... point is, in some games its easily possible to get "500" fps native, without "fake frames" inserted one way or another,  so not all hope is lost, i guess. as for gpu choice,  it obviously depends on your budget, we can't really tell you much more than chatgtp dude (who's also fake btw...) "

I really only need 500 fps in Minecraft and TF2. They're not games known for using things like advanced lighting (when I exclude shaders), so high fps should be easy if you get the right GPU (CPU too, but I have a good CPU). I want a 480+ hz monitor to play with 480+ fps.

"it obviously depends on your budget, we can't really tell you much more than chatgtp dude (who's also fake btw...)" But I think you guys should know more than ChatGPT about what GPUs a gamer should get, especially since you're in here helping with GPUs and ChatGPT's apparently fake, no offense.

 

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Is Minecraft

Depends on the day of the year, the alignment of the planets, how many crumbles your cookie turns into in your mouth and the quota of offerings to the minecraft blood god to decide what fps it wants to run at. Aka it's entirely fucking random in that game.

 

Tf2 seems to run at max 200 these days.

 

These limits are normally not put in INTENTIONALLY they just don't optimize for stupid high fps most of the time because well there's barely any people that would be applicable t.

 

5 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

Can you show a video explaining that? I've always thought I played it in 242 Hz and that the crashes are because of something else (Why allow framerates that crash?)

Not really it's just been a widely accepted fact that it gets unstable after 150. There was some explanations about it around the time fivem came out since it fixed that a bit but dunno how to find a video of that many years ago. Either way common advice is to try 120fps first and if stable 144fps.

 

7 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

tell if I accidentally set my monitor to 120 hz, and can probably tell if I accidentally set a 480 hz monitor to 240 hz.

Refresh rates do scale linearly HOWEVER the further we go the smaller the difference between them. Basically 60hz has a frametime of 16,67ms as 1(fps)/60 = 16,6666666ms... 120hz is 8,3ms and 240 is 4,2ms. Now if you add ips latency and such you will have like 6ms+ at 240hz most of the time. Oled however has practically no latency and thats why I say it is a bigger upgrade because the frametimes become the only latency you have.

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The PC was on the other side of the wall

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6 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

really only need 500 fps in Minecraft and TF2.

yes as said thats probably possible... gpu still depends on your budget mostly... but then again its a bit of a lottery especially regarding coilwhine etc... so we can just give you some info, but nothing concrete since that also seems to be a concern. 

 

newest,  fastest gpu you can afford basically,  but no guarantees either i guess? 

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If you want that level of performance at 1440p in AAA titles, it's gonna have to be 9800X3D+5090...

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If you want that level of performance at 1440p in AAA titles, it's gonna have to be 9800X3D+5090...

I'll repeat it, AAA-titles are not the important things here, the important things are TF2, Minecraft, Flowframes and Video Enhance AI.

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56 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

Gaming: I need to get at least 500 fps when in 1440p (would like to get 500 fps with a 4K monitor)

good luck

56 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

at least for TF2 and Minecraft.

that is much more reasonable, but not sure why you need 500fps, if you're asking for price/performance it doesn't sound like you have 240Hz+ monitor, or do you?

 

58 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

In other games like Hogwarts Legacy, GTA 5-6 and wii games, I only need maybe 240 fps. Ray tracing might be really good in those games, but I'm mostly focused on getting a GPU for Minecraft and TF2.

RTX 5090

 

54 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

GTA6 240Hz at 1440p.  Maybe the 5090 with full DLSS4?

yep, those are some high requirements

 

38 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

That's on my GTX 1070. A guy who knows little about computers but is fortunate to get an expensive computer (that I think has a 4090 in it) can get THOUSANDS of FPS, how different is that from what I want?

not all games are Minecraft

 

25 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

480 hz over 240 hz will make me a better gamer, if I'm mistaken, I will find out myself.

anything over 144Hz will only help you see slightly clearer image, but being better is part of your gameplay

 

22 minutes ago, Agall said:

Snag a second hand RTX 4090 from someone who decided the RTX 5090 was worth upgrading to.

decent advice

 

3 minutes ago, thekingofmonks said:

If you want that level of performance at 1440p in AAA titles, it's gonna have to be 9800X3D+5090...

let me follow up on this,

 

You are saying "What's a good price/performance GPU", but in post you say, "yeah let me get 1trillion fps in fps games, and, with RayTracing, Ultra graphics 8K graphics I'm fine with 1million fps",

 

It's like asking "what's a decent price for modest apartment?" and then say: "I'd like 3 stories 12 bedrooms 2 kitchens 5 bathrooms"

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1 minute ago, podkall said:

good luck

that is much more reasonable, but not sure why you need 500fps, if you're asking for price/performance it doesn't sound like you have 240Hz+ monitor, or do you?

 

RTX 5090

 

yep, those are some high requirements

 

not all games are Minecraft

 

anything over 144Hz will only help you see slightly clearer image, but being better is part of your gameplay

 

decent advice

 

let me follow up on this,

 

You are saying "What's a good price/performance GPU", but in post you say, "yeah let me get 1trillion fps in fps games, and, with RayTracing, Ultra graphics 8K graphics I'm fine with 1million fps",

 

It's like asking "what's a decent price for modest apartment?" and then say: "I'd like 3 stories 12 bedrooms 2 kitchens 5 bathrooms"

Yes, exactly!

 

"anything over 144Hz will only help you see slightly clearer image, but being better is part of your gameplay"

Of course raw skill is the biggest factor, but latency and framerates matter too. High latencies make it harder to avoid backstabs and get kills because turns are delayed, and because damage and knockback is delayed. It's a lot easier to be precise with smooth, high fps, I feel like I might make too sharp movements with noticable FPS. The closer it gets to the framerate we see out of our eyes (we don't see in framerates so I guess it's like infinity FPS), the easier it gets to aim. I feel like I shouldn't need to back that up, but Linus Tech Tips tried a 500 hz monitor, he enjoyed playing AimLabs.

More FPS and lower latencies are good because they let you get closer to as good as you can potentially get.

I think there are a LOT of GPUs that can get 500 fps in Minecraft and TF2 and still do decent compared to my current GPU at AI-tasks. My GPU got around 218, would a GPU more expensive from 7-8 years later not get 500? I might not get every single detail I say correctly, but who does? That's the purpose of getting help here.

And since 500 fps should be relatively easy to find a GPU for, I'm thinking, I don't have to get the best GPUs on the planet, I can get one that is good value for the price.

I was never specific if I want ray tracing or ultra graphics or 8K. The monitor I'm looking at is 1440p, not 8K, I'll take ray tracing and ultra graphics if it's convinient, and I play GTA 5 at low graphics so I'm ready to not be able to use ray tracing and ultra graphics. Is 240 fps really like asking for one million? I haven't used an fps-counter in gta 5 since I haven't found one in the settings, 240 fps is reasonable to me, if it's not, you can just say that 240 fps in 1440p GTA 5 is a lot if I don't want to go crazy on the GPU. 

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57 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

 

 

480 hz over 240 hz will make me a better gamer, if I'm mistaken, I will find out myself.

Practice will make you a better gamer. But in regards to minecraft, how do you become a "better"player?

 

In e-sports games, I can get wanting higher refresh, but minecraft? That one makes no sense to me. How does going from 144 fps to 2000 fps benefit you in any way?

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11 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

I think there are a LOT of GPUs that can get 500 fps in Minecraft and TF2 and still do decent compared to my current GPU at AI-tasks.

At the frame rates that you are talking about, I think that you will find that you are CPU limited before GPU. It is not easy to feed the GPU that much data quick enough.

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15 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

The closer it gets to the framerate we see out of our eyes

infinite

 

15 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

(we don't see in framerates so I guess it's like infinity FPS)

yep

 

15 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

I feel like I shouldn't need to back that up, but Linus Tech Tips tried a 500 hz monitor, he enjoyed playing AimLabs.

yeah, but just because Linus tried 500Hz monitor and saw difference, doesn't mean you need 500fps and monitor too

 

15 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

More FPS and lower latencies are good because they let you get closer to as good as you can potentially get.

You don't need to tell me that, I am a gamer:

 

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15 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

I think there are a LOT of GPUs that can get 500 fps in Minecraft and TF2 and still do decent compared to my current GPU at AI-tasks. My GPU got around 218, would a GPU more expensive from 7-8 years later not get 500?

not 100% sure, but it can make smoother 218+ fps for sure

 

max/avg fps isn't everything.

 

15 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

And since 500 fps should be relatively easy to find a GPU for, I'm thinking, I don't have to get the best GPUs on the planet, I can get one that is good value for the price.

Sure, if we're talking Minecraft and TF2, there are definitely mid-range GPUs that can do almost double the fps, or get 2x smoother fps than GTX 1070.

 

15 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

Is 240 fps really like asking for one million?

you're asking for 500, not 240, you include AAA games, which some of them, on release:

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15 minutes ago, PolishGod said:

240 fps is reasonable to me, if it's not, you can just say that 240 fps in 1440p GTA 5 is a lot if I don't want to go crazy on the GPU. 

you won't really get much benefit over like 120fps in GTA 5 anyway, not that I can think of, even if you do shoot guns there

 

6 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

In e-sports games, I can get wanting higher refresh, but minecraft? That one makes no sense to me. How does going from 144 fps to 2000 fps benefit you in any way?

it's worth adding, that slotting a 5090 in your PC doesn't guarantee 400-600% fps increase, not just because your PSU might give up first, but also the CPU,

 

Minecraft is CPU heavy so upgrading GPU will moderately improve fps, though upgrading CPU would improve overall smoothness of MC, and also give you some more fps maybe

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