"The PERFECT PC at Every Price" video led me to purchase a item that was not listed as used or renewed. But was received used and broken.

[BobNobody]

In the video "The PERFECT PC at Every Price" the "Game tomorrow" system they built contained a MSI Pro A620M-E for $75.99. I was building a lowish end PC I picked up the CPU and MB from this recommendation.

 

The listing for the MSI Pro A620M-E price was not labeled as used or renewed and it is the only compatible MB listing anywhere near what was mentioned in the video but this is what I got(see attached). All other compatible boards are significantly more expensive, probably because those listings aren't scams.

 

What seems to have happened here is the prices for the video were determined based on using the current lowest amazon price (which seems to have accidentally included a mislabeled/misleading/scam listing) and then the system was built from existing stock at LTT(or close enough). 

[TempestCatto]

Where did you buy it, who was the seller? It's likely you can swap it for a good one.

[BobNobody]

I used the listing from PC Part Picker.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NL26Mp/msi-pro-a620m-e-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-a620m-e

It seems since that time they are now out of new stock. There was a buy now button there before, not a see options button. If you search Amazon manually you get a price of 92$ new that is for some reason separate from this one.

 

Same board, higher price?

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-PRO-A620M-Motherboard-Micro-ATX/dp/B0BZW9RG3P?s=electronics&sr=1-1&ufe=INHOUSE_INSTALLMENTS%3AUS_IHI_3M_HARDLINES_AUTOMATED

 

I can only assume that the other listing(the pc part picker one) wasn't direct from MSI? It had a link to the MSI store so I assumed it was.

 

[danalog]

4 minutes ago, BobNobody said:

I used the listing from PC Part Picker.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NL26Mp/msi-pro-a620m-e-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-a620m-e

It seems since that time they are now out of new stock. There was a buy now button there before, not a see options button. If you search Amazon manually you get a price of 92$ new that is for some reason separate from this one.

 

Same board, higher price?

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-PRO-A620M-Motherboard-Micro-ATX/dp/B0BZW9RG3P?s=electronics&sr=1-1&ufe=INHOUSE_INSTALLMENTS%3AUS_IHI_3M_HARDLINES_AUTOMATED

 

I can only assume that the other listing(the pc part picker one) wasn't direct from MSI? It had a link to the MSI store so I assumed it was.

 

Seems like it was purchased from a third party seller on Amazon. 

 

If you go to your invoice for the order, you can see what seller you purchased from, and from whom it was shipped. Likely someone with 0 items sold and/or negative reviews. 

Unfortunately there is little you can do in retrospect. 

[BobNobody]

Good call.

Amazon sold it, but I never saw anything that said used - like new. Perhaps that is my oversight, I guess I just followed the Pc Part Picker link blindly but I had no intention of buying used. However, covered in thermal paste hair and potentially bent pins is not "looks and functions as if it were new.

 

That said, the link I used matches the price of the video and they didn't mention buying a used MB to cut cost so presumably LTT made the same mistake.

 

Edit: oh yea and it was missing the IO shield and the socket cover.

[TrigrH]

23 minutes ago, BobNobody said:

Good call.

Amazon sold it, but I never saw anything that said used - like new. Perhaps that is my oversight, I guess I just followed the Pc Part Picker link blindly but I had no intention of buying used. However, covered in thermal paste hair and potentially bent pins is not "looks and functions as if it were new.

 

That said, the link I used matches the price of the video and they didn't mention buying a used MB to cut cost so presumably LTT made the same mistake.

 

Edit: oh yea and it was missing the IO shield and the socket cover.

It says used - like new, if the io shield is missing then the item fails to meet that condition, other parts could be deemed an accessory. 

Amazon should be able to process a refund or return.

[rikitikitavi]

27 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

It says used - like new, if the io shield is missing then the item fails to meet that condition, other parts could be deemed an accessory. 

Amazon should be able to process a refund or return.

Dirt and paste leftovers also can't be classified as part of "like new" condition

[starsmine]

I dont think thats necessarily a problem, but it being advertised as like new... that is NOT like new, and you should be justified in returning that for a different one.

[Blue4130]

8 hours ago, BobNobody said:

In the video "The PERFECT PC at Every Price" the "Game tomorrow" system they built contained a MSI Pro A620M-E for $75.99. I was building a lowish end PC I picked up the CPU and MB from this recommendation.

 

The listing for the MSI Pro A620M-E price was not labeled as used or renewed and it is the only compatible MB listing anywhere near what was mentioned in the video but this is what I got(see attached). All other compatible boards are significantly more expensive, probably because those listings aren't scams.

 

What seems to have happened here is the prices for the video were determined based on using the current lowest amazon price (which seems to have accidentally included a mislabeled/misleading/scam listing) and then the system was built from existing stock at LTT(or close enough). 

I can't entirely tell from your post, are you blaming LTT that they caused you to buy a used motherboard despite you not doing your due diligence while shopping?

[Needfuldoer]

If you bought it via Amazon, and you're uncomfortable with the price you paid considering its condition, return it.

 

Personally, I've had decent luck buying from Amazon Warehouse when it's explicitly stated that the item is used. In general though, I'd rather buy used off eBay from a vendor with a lot of feedback and a listing with photos of the exact item you're going to receive.

[BobNobody]

3 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

I can't entirely tell from your post, are you blaming LTT that they caused you to buy a used motherboard despite you not doing your due diligence while shopping?

I can't go back in time but I can say I never buy used so it wasn't intentional. I can also specifically recall that I spent time trying to figure out why this listing was cheaper than the other one and I checked the page for the words renewed and refurbished before I bought it. I was confused why there were two listings but I never found a reason. Moreover, this listing doesn't even come up when you search for the board, only when you click the link from PC Part Picker, which it still does as of yesterday.

 

I'm not exactly blaming LTT, they just listed the price as what it was according to PC Part Picker and clearly they didn't see that it was used either. That seems like an issue not for LTT, but for PC Part Picker and for Amazon. Regardless, amazon is refunding me. I was just really annoyed to get a motherboard with bent pins, parts missing, and covered in thermal paste.

[thrasher_565]

16 hours ago, BobNobody said:

I can't go back in time but I can say I never buy used so it wasn't intentional. I can also specifically recall that I spent time trying to figure out why this listing was cheaper than the other one and I checked the page for the words renewed and refurbished before I bought it. I was confused why there were two listings but I never found a reason. Moreover, this listing doesn't even come up when you search for the board, only when you click the link from PC Part Picker, which it still does as of yesterday.

 

I'm not exactly blaming LTT, they just listed the price as what it was according to PC Part Picker and clearly they didn't see that it was used either. That seems like an issue not for LTT, but for PC Part Picker and for Amazon. Regardless, amazon is refunding me. I was just really annoyed to get a motherboard with bent pins, parts missing, and covered in thermal paste.

there alot of post in the reviews of getting a broken mb its msi thats what you get. wont be surprised if you got there broken mb...

 

its posable ltt listed a used mb in there listing but i dont no.

[Blue4130]

8 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

there alot of post in the reviews of getting a broken mb its msi thats what you get. wont be surprised if you got there broken mb...

Do you have any proof to back up your accusations about the failure rates of MSI motherboards or is it all speculation?

[thrasher_565]

39 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Do you have any proof to back up your accusations about the failure rates of MSI motherboards or is it all speculation?

 

[Blue4130]

46 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

 

Haha two random Amazon reviews are your proof? When it comes to bent pins, I almost always blame the user, it's much more likely than happening at the factory.

[Kisai]

On 12/4/2024 at 6:11 PM, rikitikitavi said:

Dirt and paste leftovers also can't be classified as part of "like new" condition

More to the point "Like new" generally means it was opened but never put into operation.

 

A car or bike that is "like new" is someone who took it for a test drive and returned it the next day. The dealership can still sell it to the next person "like/as new" because it's added maybe 30 miles to it. You know about as much wear as the people who build a computer turning it on to install the OS.

 

"used - like new" for computer parts and "preowned - like new" means its' been refurbished. EG, it looks brand new but will be missing the peely's and anything considered disposable (eg plastic bags for screws.) Missing the socket cover or finding dirt or thermal paste left on it, is not a "like new" condition at all. That should be a "used, -for parts only-" sale.

 

I often see the "used/preowned like new" stuff on eBay listings for off-lease server hardware. That is acceptable in those situations since usually everything has been parted out and cleaned and the hard drives are replaced with new ones.

 

[thrasher_565]

1 hour ago, Kisai said:

More to the point "Like new" generally means it was opened but never put into operation.

 

A car or bike that is "like new" is someone who took it for a test drive and returned it the next day. The dealership can still sell it to the next person "like/as new" because it's added maybe 30 miles to it. You know about as much wear as the people who build a computer turning it on to install the OS.

 

"used - like new" for computer parts and "preowned - like new" means its' been refurbished. EG, it looks brand new but will be missing the peely's and anything considered disposable (eg plastic bags for screws.) Missing the socket cover or finding dirt or thermal paste left on it, is not a "like new" condition at all. That should be a "used, -for parts only-" sale.

 

I often see the "used/preowned like new" stuff on eBay listings for off-lease server hardware. That is acceptable in those situations since usually everything has been parted out and cleaned and the hard drives are replaced with new ones.

 

ammazon and probly most stores dont have the best tech or time to test maybe even list and they do list things wrong. i gotten things like a cpu block and  both were$35. one seems like i was open box had everything other missing most of the mounting hardware.

 

ammazon probly had no return no question ask problem is the offend require you to own a printer...witch in it sell will kill it self just sitting there let allow being used...

 

but there also times like i got like $100 off a pc case and cound not find if it was even open or used and saved moeny so its just an gamble. some things you should stay away from like keybords and mouses.

 

on ebay there  a little more pics, detals, most of the time but i been scred by ebay too. got a refund of 0.06 instead of like $100 i spent. other times i got a full refund on the time and got to keep it so... in the end it moslty evens out i guess is my point.

 

then there the rant of shipping a 1 inch by 1o inch by 3inch like 5 pounds from the usa to Canada and costing $300 shipping... $250 for dhl...$50 to who all because the thing is valued at like $1200...

[LogicalDrm]

On 12/5/2024 at 2:15 PM, BobNobody said:

I'm not exactly blaming LTT, they just listed the price as what it was according to PC Part Picker and clearly they didn't see that it was used either. That seems like an issue not for LTT, but for PC Part Picker and for Amazon. Regardless, amazon is refunding me. I was just really annoyed to get a motherboard with bent pins, parts missing, and covered in thermal paste.

You are making claim that LTT took pricing solely from Amazon prices. Which AFAICS is not correct. I see 3 prices listed at $75.99, one of which is directly from MSI. They never mention where mobo would be from. Store page is Newegg and sponsored links go to Newegg. Newegg price is higher.

 

 

[NullPointerError]

Oh buddy, if you followed his advice and went for a card which previously in mining farm, you would be more pissed

[starsmine]

4 hours ago, NullPointerError said:

Oh buddy, if you followed his advice and went for a card which previously in mining farm, you would be more pissed

Why?

[Kisai]

12 hours ago, starsmine said:

Why?

https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupportgore/comments/xorwdy/a_crypto_miner_rinsing_cards_off_with_a_pressure/

[starsmine]

2 minutes ago, Kisai said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupportgore/comments/xorwdy/a_crypto_miner_rinsing_cards_off_with_a_pressure/

Is that a damnation widepread issue with crypto or a one off that makes for good TV?

[LogicalDrm]

17 hours ago, NullPointerError said:

Oh buddy, if you followed his advice and went for a card which previously in mining farm, you would be more pissed

While buying used is always with some risk, this is off-topic comment since video in question deals with new hardware. Besides, how many people do you know or aware of who have been burned with miner cards? Imo that is false rumour with very little evidence of mass issues.

[NullPointerError]

On 12/11/2024 at 12:45 PM, LogicalDrm said:

While buying used is always with some risk, this is off-topic comment since video in question deals with new hardware. Besides, how many people do you know or aware of who have been burned with miner cards? Imo that is false rumour with very little evidence of mass issues.

Do you know why even Chinese, who would hunt for second-hand PC components for the most price competitive rig, wouldn't dare to get their hands on those cards, because those cards are being worked 24x7 near hydro plant where power is cheap and humidity is high. If you knew what those miners do to those cards and how they refurbished them, you won't touch them either.

BTW, there were a bunch of RX6800 and RX6900 2nd hand cards broken, and after inspection, it is suspected that they were used mining.

https://www.techradar.com/news/finger-of-blame-for-cracked-amd-gpus-points-at-crypto-miners-not-graphics-driver

[starsmine]

33 minutes ago, NullPointerError said:

Do you know why even Chinese, who would hunt for second-hand PC components for the most price competitive rig, wouldn't dare to get their hands on those cards, because those cards are being worked 24x7 near hydro plant where power is cheap and humidity is high. If you knew what those miners do to those cards and how they refurbished them, you won't touch them either.

BTW, there were a bunch of RX6800 and RX6900 2nd hand cards broken, and after inspection, it is suspected that they were used mining.

https://www.techradar.com/news/finger-of-blame-for-cracked-amd-gpus-points-at-crypto-miners-not-graphics-driver

Yes, we know what they do with them, not much.
They undervolt them to be more efficient and let them rip without temp cyclining. 

Issues with mined on cards are incredibly rare. There is not a single data point to suggest they have more issues then cards that were not mined on.