black friday Little Brothers 18th Birthday & Christmas PC

[Xander Wusky]

Hi, I'm planning a build for my little brother who has his birthday just after Christmas. He saved up some money and my parents want to help him buy it with some amount as well.  I'm a student (almost graduated) and currently have no money to buy him anything, but I do have time to help him though. So I spent a while researching with him and some of my own time + I'm going to help him build this PC.

 

I'm quite knowledgeable about Components but don't know every part ofc. All of them are thought-about well, however (with reasoning at the end) I'm open to your opinion! Don't see this as any set-in-stone choices

 

The goal is to build this but buy the parts around Black Friday. If the deals at that time are better than this, I'll pick those parts. Save some time and don't spend too long on something like a motherboard with extra fan headers. But if you see a better-for-value choice I'd love to hear about it!

 

Still looking for a keyboard and mouse, roughly in the 100-250 price range (depending on what you'd recommend, just looking for a good value for money and similar quality as the build)

 

Information:

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Budget (including currency): 

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900-1100 Euro 

Country: 

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  ^{The Netherlands} 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

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• War Thunder & other medium-high-load games
  • Forza & other race games
  • Battlefield & other shooters
• Discord (including video streaming to friends)
  • No 'professional' streaming or interest to-do so
  • Camera required (still looking for one, good enough for friends is plenty)
  • Has a Headset already
• Fortnite & similar load games
  • No E-Sports games (or not a significant amount or at high level)

No Significant other loads other then normal PC use

Details:

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Current Suggestion List (Ignore the Dollar sign, these are current prices near me in Euro, no conversion rate necessary)

Reminder: This list isn't 100% the final build, black Friday deals might change parts in case of good deals ofcourse. See this more as a 'goal' build, the Final build should be the same/better and equal price or cheaper

Upgrading

From 0 (he has an M1 MacBook Air, 8GB RAM which should be good enough for now for outside the house)

When

Just before or on Black Friday, to save you some time. Don't bother going too far into a very minor detail, if a sale happens to be on an item that makes that an obvious choice, any item might be replaced. But if you see something that's just clearly a better value of money to go for, that's what I'm looking for. I can't predict the future, maybe they have a crazy deal and ofc I won't pass that up. This is assuming prices from today without any (unusual) sales.

Screen
He already has a 4k TV to use (roughly 35-40 inches) it's not the craziest looking 4k but it's still a 4k display and will be fine for him. (I'm not sure but I'd be surprised if it's more than 60hz)

Extra Information - Why for part choices:

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• CPU
  • AM5 ones are way too expensive vs little real FPS gain
  • 57003D seems like plenty of power & much better fit for the use than the standard 50 series for this use case
  • Cooler: Honestly we will just get whatever makes sense at the store we buy most of the parts. This is more of a placeholder. (suggestions ofc welcome!)

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• Motherboard
  • WiFi Required (no ethernet possible)
  • Bluetooth 5.0 is probably plenty (he is not really planning to do much with it, but it will be nice to have it available)
  • Enough USB
  • Preference for ATX size
  • 4 RAM Slots
  • (slight) preference for Gigabyte due to my own experience with them

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• RAM
  • 16GB is enough, but it's so cheap currently
  • I don't consider it worth it to save 25 Euros on
  • I think the slightly better futureproofing is worth it, even if he might not ever need 64GB (but feel free to change my mind on this if you think it's unreasonable)
  • While G.Skill isn't my favourite brand, I currently use this exact kit myself and I don't see a reason to buy any more expensive brand in terms of value for money (or to take a slightly better price for no heatsink models)
  • 4000 MT/s seems like a good speed level for AM4 (possible to save 10-15 euros by going for 3200, think 4000 would be worth it though?)
  • Price

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• Storage
  • QLC while is a legitimate choice, I prefer TLC or better for C: drive
    • A better lifetime of the drive
    • Lower risk of unexpected failure (NAS backup available but still)
    • Better sustained speed
  • 1TB would be enough, but 2TB would be enough for the foreseeable future and it is fairly cheap
  • No experience with WD drives (any reason not to use them?)
  • QLC drive that's currently in a PS4 might be installed in this eventually

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• GPU
  • 40 series seems worth it over 30 series
  • 4050 I feel would be ok but just be a bit underpowered and this fits the budget, better would also not be necessary IMO
  • Likely a lower cost would be preferred rather than upgrading it (Let me know if you disagree)
  • Picked whatever was cheapest with at least 2 Fans (and not from a keyboard-mash-name company)
  • Honestly I have no idea about AMD Video Cards, if there is a better AMD one I'll consider it (I would have an easier time troubleshooting Nvidea if he has issues)

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• Case
  • No definitive decision, likely to have good deals
  • USB-C on front (and fast)
  • USB-A on front
  • 4 Fans included (RGB not a huge factor but not a disadvantage either)
  • Seems like airflow should be good & ok to build in
  • MSI MAG Forge 320R was also considered (but I recommended against it due to airflow concerns)
  • Fractal Meshify was also considered (but due to slight personal preference he picked this one for now)
  • Fits a few 2.5 SSDs in case M.2 arent sufficient
  • Could save money on but it is also likely to be used for a couple of upgrade builds

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• PSU
  • Slight preference for both Corsair and this range due to personal experience
  • 80+ Gold
  • Modular (Semi would be OK but I feel an unnecessary cut)
  • Not just powerful enough for this PC, but also for a GPU upgrade or other down the road
  • Bit on the pricy side but also would likely carry on to other PCs

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/FFJ23w

7500f + 3080 + 32gb 6400c32 (eff 6000c32)

 

7500f for 136€ on aliexpress, basically a 7600 without the igpu and yes the 5700x3d is about the same perf as the 7600 only diff being that in stuff that doesnt leverage the cache the 7600 will fly ahead but if its stuff that heavily leverage the cache like sim games (ex factorio) then the 5700x3d flies ahead

do keep in mind that this isnt on a dead platform and both the mobo + rams can be reused for future upgrades where am4 is dead in the water even with overpriced high bin ddr4 meant for overclocking than xmp use

 

4060 is a pile of trash doesnt even match the last gen 3060ti, the similarly priced 6750xt new obliterates it as that card competes with the 3070, and obviously those are nowhere near the performance of a 3080 (equiv to 4070) which you can pick up for ~350€ used. if you want new buy a 4070 otherwise 6750xt if you want it cheap

 

[venomtail]

I've stolen @Somerandomtechyboi's pricing for the 7500F but would have been the same recommendation.

 

I advice against buying used for things that are meant to be gifts, especially if this is won't be your system. I only get new if it's a gift for someone else because they shouldn't be left with the hassle of fixing it if it goes wrong. Only used new parts as when they do go wrong you're just one email away from an RMA or refund.

 

7700XT will get pushed to the limit at 4K but should hold its weight at 1440p and when being upscaled:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7500F 3.7 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor  (€136.00) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 EVO DARK 70.4 CFM CPU Cooler  (€22.30 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€119.95 @ Azerty) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL32 Memory  (€99.00 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Patriot P400 Lite 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€58.85 @ Azerty) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card  (€429.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 205M MESH MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (€73.85 @ Azerty) 
Power Supply: Gigabyte UD-GM PG5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€86.07 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €1025.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-11-14 10:05 CET+0100

[podkall]

8 minutes ago, venomtail said:

I've stolen @Somerandomtechyboi's pricing for the 7500F but would have been the same recommendation.

 

I advice against buying used for things that are meant to be gifts, especially if this is won't be your system. I only get new if it's a gift for someone else because they shouldn't be left with the hassle of fixing it if it goes wrong. Only used new parts as when they do go wrong you're just one email away from an RMA or refund.

 

7700XT will get pushed to the limit at 4K but should hold its weight at 1440p and when being upscaled:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7500F 3.7 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor  (€136.00) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 EVO DARK 70.4 CFM CPU Cooler  (€22.30 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€119.95 @ Azerty) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL32 Memory  (€99.00 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Patriot P400 Lite 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€58.85 @ Azerty) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card  (€429.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 205M MESH MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (€73.85 @ Azerty) 
Power Supply: Gigabyte UD-GM PG5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€86.07 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €1025.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-11-14 10:05 CET+0100

Indeed,

 

the 7500F is a very good CPU, and compared to 7600 you can save few €, because a cheap 20€ tower cooler is enough to cool 7500F,

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/Jssgsp

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€189.64 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€119.95 @ Azerty)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€109.85 @ Alternate)
Storage: *Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Alternate)
Video Card: *XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card  (€405.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Case: *Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case  (€69.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Power Supply: *Cooler Master MWE Bronze 750 V3 230V 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€74.90 @ Azerty)
Total: €1083.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-11-14 10:15 CET+0100

[DoctorNick]

Just for all that cant find the 7500F in NL, they got it at Proshop for 149 euros: https://www.proshop.nl/CPU/AMD-Ryzen-5-7500F-Tray-CPU-6-kernen-37-GHz-AMD-AM5-OEMtray-zonder-koeler/3195178

[Somerandomtechyboi]

41 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card  (€429.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 

6800 has similar/slightly better performance with 4gb of extra vram which im pretty sure will come in very handy for 4k whilst being 25€ cheaper so i see no reason why to get the 7700xt instead of the cheaper + more vram 6800

[Xander Wusky]

For my replies, I just want to clarify that I don't mean to disregard anything but I can sometimes come off a bit argumentative. Just want to consider things quite carefully since my Parents strongly prefer Apple over windows and I don't want there to be any issues because I'll never hear the end of the "I told you so"s haha. When I bought my PC when I still lived with them you bet I did, wanna save him the headache (and me the time to come over and fix it, he isn't nearly as tech savvy)

12 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/FFJ23w

7500f + 3080 + 32gb 6400c32 (eff 6000c32)

 

7500f for 136€ on aliexpress, basically a 7600 without the igpu and yes the 5700x3d is about the same perf as the 7600 only diff being that in stuff that doesnt leverage the cache the 7600 will fly ahead but if its stuff that heavily leverage the cache like sim games (ex factorio) then the 5700x3d flies ahead

do keep in mind that this isnt on a dead platform and both the mobo + rams can be reused for future upgrades where am4 is dead in the water even with overpriced high bin ddr4 meant for overclocking than xmp use

 

4060 is a pile of trash doesnt even match the last gen 3060ti, the similarly priced 6750xt new obliterates it as that card competes with the 3070, and obviously those are nowhere near the performance of a 3080 (equiv to 4070) which you can pick up for ~350€ used. if you want new buy a 4070 otherwise 6750xt if you want it cheap

 

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Aliexpress I want to avoid using, more like not use at all to be honest. While yes you can get deals sometimes. It complicates returns while returns in my country are extremely good if you buy here (aliexpress does offer returns but so do many companies, until you contact them and its a pain in the ass, id rather deal with local sellers only) For the same reason I'm not willing to go with 2nd hand parts either (also because ill never hear the end of how the PC is only cheaper because its second hand. Even if only the case would be)

7600f however while worth considering is only available from a few sources here that i don't 100% trust either and is at least 155 Euro. Personally I'm also quite curious to the 3D chips and while I wouldn't pick a clearly worse part out of curiosity. I'm still leaning towards the 57003D being the better choice all things considered. (Which I also have some hope for going on sale during Black Friday due to AM4 being dead)
 

That does lead into the next point and you're absolutely right, AM4 is dead. But I personally own a 5900x which if I upgrade would be able to install in his PC if he liked at a later date. Plus AM5 is expensive right now (other then the 7500f but explained why that's not the best option IMO) and AM4 is going to be good enough for him for a long time.

Then the 4060, personally not aware it sucks so much? From what I can find, 300 Euro doesn't seem unreasonable for the performance it delivers but I could be wrong. While I considered both of your suggestions. the 6750xt is well over 50 Euro more expensive here at best (more like 60-80 most places if I don't want to shop at many different stores) I also personally own a 3080 and I do know that would be better then a 4060, but unfortunately I checked and even second hand these don't go for less then 500 Euro locally. The 4070 is a huge price jump from the 4060 as well. (Also a slight preference because from what I have seen at least, Nvidea has much better recording software and he does intend to send clips to friends. I also know more about setting this up then with AMD since I use Nvidea myself)

While I agree the parts you suggest are actually better, they are also over budget and there is NO room to increase it. He has 1100 Euro to spend, if he needs more I need to convince my parents to give it to him. Since they are not exactly fully on board with him getting a PC they wont be easily convinced and I cant give him anything but time (which is also why he had to save up for one himself)
 

Thanks for your suggestions though and especially the CPU cooler seems like a great one to consider

 

 

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10 hours ago, venomtail said:

I've stolen @Somerandomtechyboi's pricing for the 7500F but would have been the same recommendation.

 

I advice against buying used for things that are meant to be gifts, especially if this is won't be your system. I only get new if it's a gift for someone else because they shouldn't be left with the hassle of fixing it if it goes wrong. Only used new parts as when they do go wrong you're just one email away from an RMA or refund.

 

7700XT will get pushed to the limit at 4K but should hold its weight at 1440p and when being upscaled:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7500F 3.7 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor  (€136.00) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 EVO DARK 70.4 CFM CPU Cooler  (€22.30 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€119.95 @ Azerty) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL32 Memory  (€99.00 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Patriot P400 Lite 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€58.85 @ Azerty) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card  (€429.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 205M MESH MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (€73.85 @ Azerty) 
Power Supply: Gigabyte UD-GM PG5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€86.07 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €1025.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-11-14 10:05 CET+0100

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For the CPU choice, read the reply above  it would be the same answer and for very similar reasons as you advising not buying used. Thats exactly what I'm worried about. I also currently am broke but I expect to start off fairly high wage (it's complicated but I should not have been a student anymore for a few years already)

 

I do not want to be spending too much time on any returns since that will cost me a significant amount of time after I'll be working already. (And ill likely be kinda like self-employed so that would end up costing more than a slightly more expensive new part with less hassle if it breaks)

 

Since that also changes the motherboard i wont go into that to much, I do wanna specify though that WiFi is required and Bluetooth is not necessary but a strong bonus (yes an addon card would work but i feel its a much better choice to have it build in if you know you will use it) i also dislike its got only 2 slots, he wont be using the other 2 but the option to upgrade is always nice

 

The Cooler ill certainly consider! Thanks for the suggestion

 

Memory will change due to AM4 (also part of why I went for that is a much lower memory price, but its not the most significant reason)

Storage; Im unsure if this is a better value here? Its also 1TB instead of 2TB but TEAMGROUP should be fine otherwise. Ill consider it either way  (odds are though that at least 1 brand of M.2 will have a Black Friday sale and will just be the clear best option)

Case ill definitely discuss with him! Looks like something he might like (although a bit smaller and has fewer options for fans, but it's also cheaper so that's not necessarily an issue)

 

PSU; Seems like a great suggestion for this build, thanks!

 

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10 hours ago, podkall said:

Indeed,

 

the 7500F is a very good CPU, and compared to 7600 you can save few €, because a cheap 20€ tower cooler is enough to cool 7500F,

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/Jssgsp

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€189.64 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€119.95 @ Azerty)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€109.85 @ Alternate)
Storage: *Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Alternate)
Video Card: *XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card  (€405.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Case: *Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case  (€69.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Power Supply: *Cooler Master MWE Bronze 750 V3 230V 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€74.90 @ Azerty)
Total: €1083.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-11-14 10:15 CET+0100

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This CPU I could consider to go with vs the 57003D, it would be a bit slower in certain games but also better in those that don't use the extra cache. If anyone would still recommend I don't use AM4 then this would be the more suitable CPU IMO (I do have some doubts he would need to upgrade his CPU before AM6 would come out anyway though, its certainly possible. But also not the end of the world to get a new Motherboard in a few years when I could also give him my 5900x at some point)

Video Card ill definitely be considered (to be clear with the previous replies, I do ofc have a preference but I will do some more research into AMD GPU since clearly they are not bad options either. I want to find out if I'm being unfair to AMD here, Im not 100% sure if I'm up to date on how their Software is now for example)

 

This case i think i did show as an option to him but think he said he found it not as good looking as another option. Ill put it on a list anyway and ask him though what he thinks  (btw if it wasn't clear this wont really be a surprise for him, but I'd rather make sure that he will like what he gets when its his money I'm spending, or at least recommending him to spend on something)

PSU, I limited myself to 80+ Gold at least but its not like 80+ Bronze is terrible. Just a bit low compared to most other things. It also would save some money though (but this especially is something my parents would notice. My Dad especially might prefer Apple, but he used to do stuff like the punch card programming and he isn't stupid about PC's either)

 

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10 hours ago, DoctorNick said:

Just for all that cant find the 7500F in NL, they got it at Proshop for 149 euros: https://www.proshop.nl/CPU/AMD-Ryzen-5-7500F-Tray-CPU-6-kernen-37-GHz-AMD-AM5-OEMtray-zonder-koeler/3195178

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Me neither, which is a big factor for me not 100% agreeing its a better deal. Thanks for the link though! I personally only found a bit shady website for it.

 

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10 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

6800 has similar/slightly better performance with 4gb of extra vram which im pretty sure will come in very handy for 4k whilst being 25€ cheaper so i see no reason why to get the 7700xt instead of the cheaper + more vram 6800

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Ill absolutely consider it and you're certainly right about the VRAM, that was my biggest concern about the 4060. I have 10GB in my 3080 and that's not always enough (or at least pushing it). It might be the better option to go with AMD here but I really need to do more research into their GPU's before I can confidently recommend him to get one. 

(doesn't mean this is how its now, but man I've not had good experiences with AMD GPU's, their CPU's are much better but maybe they improved the GPU's a lot too now)

 

[podkall]

12 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

For my replies, I just want to clarify that I don't mean to disregard anything but I can sometimes come off a bit argumentative. Just want to consider things quite carefully since my Parents strongly prefer Apple over windows and I don't want there to be any issues because I'll never hear the end of the "I told you so"s haha.

I love a good challenge.

 

13 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

When I bought my PC when I still lived with them you bet I did, wanna save him the headache (and me the time to come over and fix it, he isn't nearly as tech savvy)

Exhaust everything, all questions, any that may be more or less meaningless, we are here to help.

 

14 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

This CPU I could consider to go with vs the 57003D, it would be a bit slower in certain games but also better in those that don't use the extra cache. If anyone would still recommend I don't use AM4 then this would be the more suitable CPU IMO (I do have some doubts he would need to upgrade his CPU before AM6 would come out anyway though, its certainly possible. But also not the end of the world to get a new Motherboard in a few years when I could also give him my 5900x at some point)

So, what's good about going cheap AM5 is the upgradeability path that opens,

 

7600 and 5700x3D are neck and neck in performance, the 5700x3D has cache and the 7600 is on newer gen with higher IPC and possibly clocks,

 

16 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

Video Card ill definitely be considered (to be clear with the previous replies, I do ofc have a preference but I will do some more research into AMD GPU since clearly they are not bad options either. I want to find out if I'm being unfair to AMD here, Im not 100% sure if I'm up to date on how their Software is now for example)

Here:

 

Also for perspective reasons, RX 6800 comes similarly to RX 7700 XT and RTX 4070 raster performance. (meaning no up-scaling/ray tracing used in comparison)

 

When it comes to CPU-GPU combo, it's good to know which resolution will be gamed on, 1080p, 1440p, etc.

 

32 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

This case i think i did show as an option to him but think he said he found it not as good looking as another option.

What case/appearance is he looking for? We could try to up the aesthetics a bit while staying withing reasonable budget.

 

Also if you go to the list, you'll see there are several cases I've selected:

 

But of course some of them are slightly more expensive, the Phanteks XT PRO ULTRA has the usual RGB aesthetics, along with Montech AIR 100, except Montech might be bit cheaper build (but not too cheap)

 

34 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

(btw if it wasn't clear this wont really be a surprise for him, but I'd rather make sure that he will like what he gets when its his money I'm spending, or at least recommending him to spend on something)

Yeah, if he could provide some examples of aesthetics he is hoping for, but of course they should be bit realistic.

 

35 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

PSU, I limited myself to 80+ Gold at least but its not like 80+ Bronze is terrible. Just a bit low compared to most other things.

Bronze can be completely fine in some cases, it's not really degrading the PSUs quality if you choose the correct model,

 

36 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

It also would save some money though (but this especially is something my parents would notice. My Dad especially might prefer Apple, but he used to do stuff like the punch card programming and he isn't stupid about PC's either)

A good quality 850W 80+ Bronze PSU can be better than a good quality 750W 80+ Gold PSU, efficiency rating isn't everything.

 

41 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

Ill absolutely consider it and you're certainly right about the VRAM, that was my biggest concern about the 4060. I have 10GB in my 3080 and that's not always enough (or at least pushing it).

Do you happen to operate at 1440p/4K on your PC which uses RTX 3080?

[Xander Wusky]

3 hours ago, podkall said:

When it comes to CPU-GPU combo, it's good to know which resolution will be gamed on, 1080p, 1440p, etc.

I'll get back to the rest, but to answer this real quick. He owns a 4k screen and while native would be nice. 1440p should be plenty if the game is otherwise a bit to hard to run too. 1080p would be a bit to low due to the size (its a TV roughly 35-40 inch and the PPI would get a bit low)

 

3 hours ago, podkall said:

Do you happen to operate at 1440p/4K on your PC which uses RTX 3080?

Yes, I'm on a 4k 55 inch TV (its both my living room TV as well as my work desk)

Edited November 14 by Xander Wusky
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[podkall]

3 minutes ago, Xander Wusky said:

I'll get back to the rest, but to answer this real quick. He owns a 4k screen and while native would be nice. 1440p should be plenty if the game is otherwise a bit to hard to run too. 1080p would be a bit to low due to the size (its a TV roughly 35-40 inch and the PPI would get a bit low)

well then the weight of demand tips on the GPU more heavily