Need to replace 10 year gaming rig with £1000 budget/upgradeable editing PC.

[Stark_Source21]

Budget (including currency): Less than £1000 now, with another £600 in next 6 or so months. 

Aim: To cover current essentials, which is two monitor setup (1 x 1080p/60hz, 1 x 4K/60hz), basic office tasks (excel, word, emails), squarespace web dev, Zoom meetings, 4K YouTube videos. 

Near Future Upgradeability Need:  Would like to upgrade system in near future to accommodate basic/entry-level 4k video editing.    

Other aims: Would like as quiet as possible, as small a form factor as possible. Quiet is the higher priority. No water cooling. Needs good bluetooth. By business needs excellent reliability for important Zoom meetings with wireless noise cancelling headphones.      

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  See above. 

Other details: i have 1gig fibre internet, New PC

Upgrading from: 10 year old AMD FX 8350, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GTX 780. 

 

I'm currently think of going for AM5 platform, a CPU with onboard graphics, and a mobo with either 2xHDMI or 1 HDMI and 1 Display Port, and get a GPU in the future. I'm therefore interested in what AM5 CPU/Mobo combination would serve my current aims, and also leave me room to upgrade (adding a GPU and maybe upgrading CPU?) to meet my future needs in the near future. 

 

Any advice? 

[ulookuglynoob]

44 minutes ago, Stark_Source21 said:

Budget (including currency): Less than £1000 now, with another £600 in next 6 or so months. 

Aim: To cover current essentials, which is two monitor setup (1 x 1080p/60hz, 1 x 4K/60hz), basic office tasks (excel, word, emails), squarespace web dev, Zoom meetings, 4K YouTube videos. 

Near Future Upgradeability Need:  Would like to upgrade system in near future to accommodate basic/entry-level 4k video editing.    

Other aims: Would like as quiet as possible, as small a form factor as possible. Quiet is the higher priority. No water cooling. Needs good bluetooth. By business needs excellent reliability for important Zoom meetings with wireless noise cancelling headphones.      

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  See above. 

Other details: i have 1gig fibre internet, New PC

Upgrading from: 10 year old AMD FX 8350, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GTX 780. 

 

I'm currently think of going for AM5 platform, a CPU with onboard graphics, and a mobo with either 2xHDMI or 1 HDMI and 1 Display Port, and get a GPU in the future. I'm therefore interested in what AM5 CPU/Mobo combination would serve my current aims, and also leave me room to upgrade (adding a GPU and maybe upgrading CPU?) to meet my future needs in the near future. 

 

Any advice? 

Maybe something like a 7900. Has a pretty decent igpu, should be enough. get GPU later. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gLCkcx

[venomtail]

18 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

Maybe something like a 7900. Has a pretty decent igpu, should be enough. get GPU later. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gLCkcx

Isn't that US PCPP? Completely different market with different parts and pricing.

 

But I agree with @ulookuglynoob 's statement of doing office stuff off the iGPU for now, then you have £800 later to spend purely on the GPU, like a 4070S, they're efficient and very quiet. Maybe even reuse the old GTX 780 as a stopgap. My take on that would be this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£168.39 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool ASSASSIN IV 79.1 CFM CPU Cooler  (£75.00 @ Computer Orbit) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650E PG-ITX WIFI Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard  (£217.51 @ NeoComputers) 
Memory: ADATA XPG Lancer Blade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£93.51 @ NeoComputers) 
Storage: ADATA Legend 800 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£47.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Case: Deepcool CH160 Mini ITX Desktop Case  (£59.00 @ Computer Orbit) 
Power Supply: Asus ROG LOKI 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  (£145.98 @ ASUS) 
Total: £807.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-11-06 15:20 GMT+0000

 

28 minutes ago, Stark_Source21 said:

Would like as quiet as possible, as small a form factor as possible.

This is a bit contradicting, as quiet usually means closing panels and allowing enough space for an AIO as they're quieter than tower fans or to save on space, people design open cases with ventilation everywhere to combat the small size, but of course this good ventilation also means more sound leaks from the case.

[ulookuglynoob]

2 hours ago, venomtail said:

Isn't that US PCPP? Completely different market with different parts and pricing.

 

But I agree with @ulookuglynoob 's statement of doing office stuff off the iGPU for now, then you have £800 later to spend purely on the GPU, like a 4070S, they're efficient and very quiet. Maybe even reuse the old GTX 780 as a stopgap. My take on that would be this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£168.39 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool ASSASSIN IV 79.1 CFM CPU Cooler  (£75.00 @ Computer Orbit) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650E PG-ITX WIFI Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard  (£217.51 @ NeoComputers) 
Memory: ADATA XPG Lancer Blade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£93.51 @ NeoComputers) 
Storage: ADATA Legend 800 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£47.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Case: Deepcool CH160 Mini ITX Desktop Case  (£59.00 @ Computer Orbit) 
Power Supply: Asus ROG LOKI 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  (£145.98 @ ASUS) 
Total: £807.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-11-06 15:20 GMT+0000

 

This is a bit contradicting, as quiet usually means closing panels and allowing enough space for an AIO as they're quieter than tower fans or to save on space, people design open cases with ventilation everywhere to combat the small size, but of course this good ventilation also means more sound leaks from the case.

I think he may need the extra processing power of the 7900. Maybe even a 9700x.

[venomtail]

1 hour ago, ulookuglynoob said:

I think he may need the extra processing power of the 7900. Maybe even a 9700x.

4 hours ago, Stark_Source21 said:

Would like to upgrade system in near future to accommodate basic/entry-level 4k video editing. 

For basic/entry level editing? You really think it's not gonna be enough, for what sound like merely a hobby trial?

 

OP also didn't specify what sort of upgrades he's open to. Just GPU? GPU and a new CPU when the time calls for it?

 

Better to upgrade as and when you need to, not buy a 16 core monster 7950X and have it stretch its legs to render out a 4K video that takes a few minutes. Even if a 7600 takes a bit longer to render, perfectly good timing to do something else like go to WC.

 

Just have a look at this for reference. Maybe if you're a professional working for Disney/Dreamworks/LTT team where minutes = $$$ and this sort of performance isn't acceptable. Just dipping in your toes tho, I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing:

[Stark_Source21]

@venomtail@ulookuglynoob

 

This is great feedback and I appreciate the differing perspectives. It's what I was partly conflicted on myself, between getting a less powerful CPU now and upgrade later if needed, or max it out now and forget it. 

 

My old rig lasted 10 years and experience shows I'm not a big upgrader. Apart from hard drives and monitors, I left everything else alone, and it's likely I'll do the same here Though, there is more headroom for upgrades on AM5 compared to what my old rig had. 

 

Perhaps, as I'm also going for quiet and efficient, it would best to start lower (R5 7600) and upgrade if/when that proves not good enough for my use-case/workload/patience. Maybe that's a mistake, but if it is and I need more power I can sell of the 7600 if I need to, or return it if it's obvious from the start that it's not enough power. I do like a snappy system, which is one of the reasons I'm finally sunsetting my current rig.

 

Only thing is, perhaps a higher end CPU might leave me not needing a GPU at all. And also, wouldn't a higher end CPU like the 7900 run quiet under normal load, though perhaps less efficient. If I had to choose a priority, I'd probably choose quiet, though I feel a bit intimidated by water-cooling/AIOs. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ulookuglynoob]

44 minutes ago, Stark_Source21 said:

@venomtail@ulookuglynoob

 

This is great feedback and I appreciate the differing perspectives. It's what I was partly conflicted on myself, between getting a less powerful CPU now and upgrade later if needed, or max it out now and forget it. 

 

My old rig lasted 10 years and experience shows I'm not a big upgrader. Apart from hard drives and monitors, I left everything else alone, and it's likely I'll do the same here Though, there is more headroom for upgrades on AM5 compared to what my old rig had. 

 

Perhaps, as I'm also going for quiet and efficient, it would best to start lower (R5 7600) and upgrade if/when that proves not good enough for my use-case/workload/patience. Maybe that's a mistake, but if it is and I need more power I can sell of the 7600 if I need to, or return it if it's obvious from the start that it's not enough power. I do like a snappy system, which is one of the reasons I'm finally sunsetting my current rig.

 

Only thing is, perhaps a higher end CPU might leave me not needing a GPU at all. And also, wouldn't a higher end CPU like the 7900 run quiet under normal load, though perhaps less efficient. If I had to choose a priority, I'd probably choose quiet, though I feel a bit intimidated by water-cooling/AIOs. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That sounds good! I don't think you will need a very powerful GPU if you choose to upgrade later anyway. And as said, you don't really need a 7900x if you don't want it. I just thought you would. Anyway, I'm glad we could help, and good luck with your build!

[Stark_Source21]

10 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

That sounds good! I don't think you will need a very powerful GPU if you choose to upgrade later anyway. And as said, you don't really need a 7900x if you don't want it. I just thought you would. Anyway, I'm glad we could help, and good luck with your build!

Am I right in saying in the same case with the same cooling etc, a 7900x would run cooler and quieter than a 7600, as it won't  be pushed as much?

[venomtail]

54 minutes ago, Stark_Source21 said:

@venomtail@ulookuglynoob

 

This is great feedback and I appreciate the differing perspectives. It's what I was partly conflicted on myself, between getting a less powerful CPU now and upgrade later if needed, or max it out now and forget it. 

 

My old rig lasted 10 years and experience shows I'm not a big upgrader. Apart from hard drives and monitors, I left everything else alone, and it's likely I'll do the same here Though, there is more headroom for upgrades on AM5 compared to what my old rig had. 

 

Perhaps, as I'm also going for quiet and efficient, it would best to start lower (R5 7600) and upgrade if/when that proves not good enough for my use-case/workload/patience. Maybe that's a mistake, but if it is and I need more power I can sell of the 7600 if I need to, or return it if it's obvious from the start that it's not enough power. I do like a snappy system, which is one of the reasons I'm finally sunsetting my current rig.

 

Only thing is, perhaps a higher end CPU might leave me not needing a GPU at all. And also, wouldn't a higher end CPU like the 7900 run quiet under normal load, though perhaps less efficient. If I had to choose a priority, I'd probably choose quiet, though I feel a bit intimidated by water-cooling/AIOs. 

Just for office stuff, yea you'll be fine wit the CPU alone. Pretty much all the CPU's share the same iGPU. Whilst more expensive models might on paper be faster simply due to it running faster, an upgrade to a tier higher CPU for the iGPU is not worth it and still an undeceivable difference to the human eye.

 

I've always wanted to dive deep into the top end hardware for things but was often pulled back down to earth by everyone else, to try out the basic to see if I even like it and will stick to it. Funniest example would be Elite Dangerous. When I first started playing the game I wanted the top end $300 HOTAS but I others correctly reminded me that I don't even know if I'll like it. That I should buy the $50 HOTAS first, see if I like the game, like the HOTAS and if I find it not enough, then upgrade.

 

They were completely right. A decade later I'm still using my $50 HOTAS with no real reason to upgrade.

[ulookuglynoob]

3 minutes ago, Stark_Source21 said:

Am I right in saying in the same case with the same cooling etc, a 7900x would run cooler and quieter than a 7600, as it won't  be pushed as much?

As long as you don't push it, it should be quiet enough for your needs. And in case you need the extra processing power, it could be more useful.

[venomtail]

9 minutes ago, Stark_Source21 said:

Am I right in saying in the same case with the same cooling etc, a 7900x would run cooler and quieter than a 7600, as it won't  be pushed as much?

Not how that works at all. It will run hotter cause it uses 3 times as much power. 65W 7600 vs 170W 7900X. CPU's aren't like a car engine that can hold mid RPM's cause redline is technically not needed. CPU's will do the thing you want to do the fastest way it can do it. If your PC sees it's got 170W of juice and 12 cores to put it in, it won't hesitate to give it all like a toddler seeing a pack of stacked cards. So x3 the heat means fans need to ramp up faster, sooner for longer. All means louder.

 

Sure you can limit a 7900X but then why did you buy it in the first place to always hold it back by making it a paper 7600? Just save the money, buy a 7600, save the hassle.

[ulookuglynoob]

At the end of the day, it's your choice. If you don't think you need much processing power, just get a 7600x. Or you could just get a 7900x in case you need the processing power.

Edited November 7 by ulookuglynoob

[venomtail]

Just now, ulookuglynoob said:

At the end of the day, it's your choice. If you don't think you need much processing power, just get a 7600x. Or you could just get a 7900x in case you need the processing power.

Drop the X. He doesn't need it. Non X variant's 99% of the performance of the higher wattage one, especially if he wants a quiet system. For office work this won't benefit him one way. If he's rendering 4K video in the future this X will shave a fraction of the render time.

[Stark_Source21]

@ulookuglynoob @venomtail

 

Really appreciate the feedback, and again, happy for the different views here. 

 

I've put together a bare-bones, cheapest entry version, that's I'd like a sense-check on, as I'm a bit nervous I might be missing something. Here it is:

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yncscx

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£168.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£137.99 @ MoreCoCo) 
Memory: ADATA XPG Lancer Blade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£93.51 @ NeoComputers) 
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£100.98 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: Asus Prime AP201 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£90.73 @ NeoComputers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£93.49 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £685.09

I could add cooler, and GPU later, if/when needed. Changed the Mobo as couldn't see any differences and that one was cheaper. Decided to go for slightly larger form-factor to strike a balance between thermals, noise, and size. 

 

Any feedback appreciated. 

 

 

[ulookuglynoob]

1 minute ago, Stark_Source21 said:

@ulookuglynoob @venomtail

 

Really appreciate the feedback, and again, happy for the different views here. 

 

I've put together a bare-bones, cheapest entry version, that's I'd like a sense-check on, as I'm a bit nervous I might be missing something. Here it is:

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yncscx

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£168.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£137.99 @ MoreCoCo) 
Memory: ADATA XPG Lancer Blade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£93.51 @ NeoComputers) 
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£100.98 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: Asus Prime AP201 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£90.73 @ NeoComputers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£93.49 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £685.09

I could add cooler, and GPU later, if/when needed. Changed the Mobo as couldn't see any differences and that one was cheaper. Decided to go for slightly larger form-factor to strike a balance between thermals, noise, and size. 

 

Any feedback appreciated. 

 

 

Looks good. Get an msi mag psu instead, since they are a bit cheaper and are still very reliable. Other than that, it's a great build!

[venomtail]

23 minutes ago, Stark_Source21 said:

@ulookuglynoob @venomtail

 

Really appreciate the feedback, and again, happy for the different views here. 

 

I've put together a bare-bones, cheapest entry version, that's I'd like a sense-check on, as I'm a bit nervous I might be missing something. Here it is:

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yncscx

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£168.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£137.99 @ MoreCoCo) 
Memory: ADATA XPG Lancer Blade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£93.51 @ NeoComputers) 
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£100.98 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: Asus Prime AP201 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£90.73 @ NeoComputers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£93.49 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £685.09

I could add cooler, and GPU later, if/when needed. Changed the Mobo as couldn't see any differences and that one was cheaper. Decided to go for slightly larger form-factor to strike a balance between thermals, noise, and size. 

 

Any feedback appreciated. 

 

 

PSU still old and overpriced. I mostly look past Corsair for just about everything these days. Outdated, overpriced company that milked itself for far too long and now can't keep up.

 

The 12VHPWRM cable Corsair has supplied in that PSU is a band aid instead of the real thing.

 

Get a PSU with at least one 12VHPWR cable, here's a list. I would try ASUS TUF, MSI MAG or new and untested Thermalright TG.

[Stark_Source21]

2 hours ago, venomtail said:

The 12VHPWRM cable Corsair has supplied in that PSU is a band aid instead of the real thing.

 

Get a PSU with at least one 12VHPWR cable, here's a list. I would try ASUS TUF, MSI MAG or new and untested Thermalright TG.

Super useful. Thank you. 

[Stark_Source21]

2 hours ago, ulookuglynoob said:

Looks good. Get an msi mag psu instead, since they are a bit cheaper and are still very reliable. Other than that, it's a great build!

Amazing! Thanks very much for the feedback!