Inno3D iChill with stock fans or Palit Gamerock with two Arctic P12?

[Ralf]

Should I try my luck with Inno3D 4070 Ti Super iChill x3 or get a Palit 4070 Ti Super Gamerock and replace the loud fans on it with two Arctic P12?

[Hinjima]

38 minutes ago, Ralf said:

Should I try my luck with Inno3D 4070 Ti Super iChill x3 or get a Palit 4070 Ti Super Gamerock and replace the loud fans on it with two Arctic P12?

Why would the Palit Gamerock be loud?

[Ralf]

8 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Why would the Palit Gamerock be loud?

Because they use the same trash fans as Gainward and Zotac. I already sent back one Palit Gamerock, one Gainward Phoenix and one Zotac Trinity because I can hear this motor noise even in the room next to me.

 

Phoenix can handle Furmark with 40% rpm at 65-70C and Gainward 62C at 30%, but this weird motor noise is killing me cuz that's all I can hear.

 

[Hinjima]

31 minutes ago, Ralf said:

Because they use the same trash fans as Gainward and Zotac. I already sent back one Palit Gamerock, one Gainward Phoenix and one Zotac Trinity because I can hear this motor noise even in the room next to me.

 

Phoenix can handle Furmark with 40% rpm at 65-70C and Gainward 62C at 30%, but this weird motor noise is killing me cuz that's all I can hear.

 

That is very strange.
I had a Palit 2080 Super Gamerock OC and it was whisper quiet and I couldn't hear the fan / motor at all even with 50%+ fan speed.

I will also note that I suffer from misophonia and hyperacusis so fan noise is the most important part of a GPU for me.

 

Its unfortunate that you have had such bad experiences with Palit and Gainward, my experiences are great.

 

My best experiences with GPU's has been MSI's higher end lineup in terms of noise levels.

[Ralf]

35 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

That is very strange.
I had a Palit 2080 Super Gamerock OC and it was whisper quiet and I couldn't hear the fan / motor at all even with 50%+ fan speed.

 

Its unfortunate that you have had such bad experiences with Palit and Gainward, my experiences are great.

Very strange indeed. I have a Gainward 2070 Super Phantom currently and it's dead silent up until 40% rpm, no motor noise at all.

 

Sad to see Gainward/Palit decided to cheap out on 4000 series fans, since i'm not the only one complaining about it.

[Hinjima]

20 minutes ago, Ralf said:

Very strange indeed. I have a Gainward 2070 Super Phantom currently and it's dead silent up until 40% rpm, no motor noise at all.

 

Sad to see Gainward/Palit decided to cheap out on 4000 series fans, since i'm not the only one complaining about it.

Yeah, that is unfortunate.  I have never heard the motor of a fan on any GPU or case fan.

I have never bought anything cheap either though.

 

Why does it stand between the Palit and Inno3d?  Are there no other brands availible?

[Ralf]

2 hours ago, Hinjima said:

Yeah, that is unfortunate.  I have never heard the motor of a fan on any GPU or case fan.

I have never bought anything cheap either though.

 

Why does it stand between the Palit and Inno3d?  Are there no other brands availible?

Palit because it's super easy to deshround, just 4 srews and the fan header is on a small pcb on the heatsink, so I dont need to unplug anything on the gpu motherboard. Downside is that the heatsink is too big and theres a chance I need to use slim fans(slim fans arent great).

 

Inno3D because i'm out of options and from what I can find the fans dont make weird noise initially, but others complain about them after a year.

 

 

Asus - overpriced(almost 4080S price) and coils whine like crazy

 

Gigabyte - fans rattle on them except on the overpriced(4080S price) Aorus Master

 

MSI - they whine too and cost price is close to 4080S

 

PNY - they updated their cards with aggressive fan curve

 

Zotac - same fan noise as on Gainward and Palit

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, Ralf said:

Palit because it's super easy to deshround, just 4 srews and the fan header is on a small pcb on the heatsink, so I dont need to unplug anything on the gpu motherboard. Downside is that the heatsink is too big and theres a chance I need to use slim fans(slim fans arent great).

 

Inno3D because i'm out of options and from what I can find the fans dont make weird noise initially, but others complain about them after a year.

 

 

Asus - overpriced(almost 4080S price) and coils whine like crazy

 

Gigabyte - fans rattle on them except on the overpriced(4080S price) Aorus Master

 

MSI - they whine too and cost price is close to 4080S

 

PNY - they updated their cards with aggressive fan curve

 

Zotac - same fan noise as on Gainward and Palit

My RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio is whisper quiet and I have never heard any coilwhine from it.

I have built several systems with 4070 Ti Supers from MSI ( Ventus V3/ GAMING X SLIM )  Ran stresstests to check stability and they have all been quiet, no coilwhine.

I have also built a few systems with Gigabytes Windforce 3 and Super Aero, no coilwhine or fan rattle to report.

 

You can just make your own fan curve for the PNY cards, it takes 3 minutes.

Palit, PNY and Gainward are the same company*

 

The problem you have is that you are looking for faults with every single card.

People will also only post issues they are having with the cards, 99% of the buyers who are happy with a fully functional card are not posting videos about their functioning card.. ''Hey look, my card works!'' You don't see these videos.

People who have recieved faulty products, THEY will post videos about it so you will basically only find negative user reviews cause thats the only reviews thats out there.

 

I wish you good luck in your search for a 4070 Ti Super.

[Ralf]

21 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

You can just make your own fan curve for the PNY cards, it takes 3 minutes.

Palit, PNY and Gainward are the same company*

 

The problem you have is that you are looking for faults with every single card.

I got told that too, just make my own fan curve. I would, but too bad nvidia doesn't allow you to set fan speed below 30% and 30% on PNY is too loud for me.

 

Yeah i'm looking for faults after I got told that neither Gainward, Palit or Zotac has motor noise. These gpu's cost 1000 each here and i'm not rich enough to just throw the money away if they happen to deny my returns if I return every single gpu I buy.

[Hinjima]

2 hours ago, Ralf said:

I got told that too, just make my own fan curve. I would, but too bad nvidia doesn't allow you to set fan speed below 30% and 30% on PNY is too loud for me.

 

Yeah i'm looking for faults after I got told that neither Gainward, Palit or Zotac has motor noise. These gpu's cost 1000 each here and i'm not rich enough to just throw the money away if they happen to deny my returns if I return every single gpu I buy.

Sure. I am not saying that you shouldn't do research and look into possible faulty products.

I have built hundreds of PC's over the years and I have only encountered a handful of issues in terms of loud GPU fans and motors.

Its not something I even consider when I buy GPU's ( Not even for myself ) now'a'days since its not very common at all.

 

GPU's are definitely expensive and 4070 Ti Supers are up there in price!

 

I am just saying that you will find faults or issue with any products on the market if you look hard enough. Someone, somewhere will post something that is DOA or has a defect.

I did the same researching a motorcycle I wanted to purchase a few years ago. I came across tens if not hundreds of forums threads and videos about engine reliability and electricity problem.

Those were the 0.5% of owners and the other 99.95% were out riding, enjoying life and not posting videos about a fully working motorcycle.

 

 

I hope you find a GPU that that fits your criteria

[Mark Kaine]

11 hours ago, Hinjima said:

That is very strange.
I had a Palit 2080 Super Gamerock OC and it was whisper quiet and I couldn't hear the fan / motor at all even with 50%+ fan speed.

I will also note that I suffer from misophonia and hyperacusis so fan noise is the most important part of a GPU for me.

 

Its unfortunate that you have had such bad experiences with Palit and Gainward, my experiences are great.

 

My best experiences with GPU's has been MSI's higher end lineup in terms of noise levels.

i mean different models/gens may use different fans etc, a friend also told me once his Gainward was loud and hot, despite having 3 fans while i had a msi with 2 fans i barely could hear... remember motors are a part, the bearings and also the structure of the fans... you dont want them "smooth" from a sound design perspective,  that's why noctua fans have a rough texture and some fringes on the tips... bequiet also have a  structural surface,  etc...

 

the middle fan of my triple fan 3070 goes in the opposite direction than the other two... same idea, certain frequencies cancel each other out, the effect aka literally noise deletions is huge when done right (and shouldn't affect performance significantly, if at all) 

[Mark Kaine]

8 hours ago, Ralf said:

Gigabyte - fans rattle on them except on the overpriced(4080S price) Aorus Master

the fans on my vision oc 3070 don't rattle,  afaik at least two Gigabyte 4070s use the same shroud/ fan design... (eagle) 

 

 

8 hours ago, Ralf said:

PNY - they updated their cards with aggressive fan curve

use MSI Afterburner. 

 

7 hours ago, Ralf said:

nvidia doesn't allow you to set fan speed below 30%

this is incorrect as long the card supports "zero fan"...

 

my card often runs at like 17%...

 

 

look, im trying to help you , but i agree with @Hinjima there are probably far more options that you should consider. 

 

otherwise just get the ichill (although i kinda bet the fans aren't that great either lol, at least its 3 fans though)

 

 

 

[Mark Kaine]

here's my actual recommendation 

 

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Graphics-WINDFORCE-GV-N407TSEAGLE-OC-16GD/dp/B0CSK87B4R?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 

 

cheap. 3 fans. probably not that loud (as said my 3070 has literally the same fans, almost inaudible under 70%)

[Ralf]

6 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

use MSI Afterburner. 

 

this is incorrect as long the card supports "zero fan"...

 

my card often runs at like 17%...

How do you force it below 30%(not 0%)? I use Fancontrol and the lowest the fans spin are 30% even if I set it to 25%.

 

 

[Mark Kaine]

2 hours ago, Ralf said:

How do you force it below 30%(not 0%)? I use Fancontrol and the lowest the fans spin are 30% even if I set it to 25%.

 

 

 

im not forcing it at all, in my experience the cards don't exactly do what you set them to anyways, so for example i set mine to start spinning the fans at exactly 45C... but it doesn't do that,  it starts at 47C, at 53C, at 55C... and likewise some lighter games it runs at 25%, 18%, ... tbh i shouldn't have said often because i only remember one game where it did that (fatal frame 5) but then i did play that a lot, so i actually saw it often... pretty sure some ps2, ps3 games etc its similar though. 

 

also tbh this is a weird topic, if it's regarding "noise", you shouldn't be hearing the gpu fans at 25, 30%... amongst the case fans etc... I only ever hear my gpu from like 50% onwards...

 

 

im super sensitive to noise, im on record  - literally - complaining about the noise my energy drink was doing... lmao  (its on this forum somewhere) 

i honestly thought my pc broke or something,  but... nope, just energy drink bubbles

 

Tbh, i got kinda used to the base noise my pc does, 2x180mm front fans at ~600rpm, you are gonna hear them... and also if you really care about noise i recommend something like a inwin 301, i had that, temps are acceptable and the noise levels considerably lower than with my current torrent compact case...

 

Lastly my recommendation still stands, the "eagle" shroud / fans are amongst the most silent ive seen (heard) there's no rattling,  motor is inaudible,  the only thing you hear is the air/wind it produces,  which is literally unavoidable. 

 

additionally i noticed a lot of times new fans actually do rattle sometimes... they need to be "driven" in or something, sometimes can take several months (yes, its annoying,  just a thing i noticed however) 

 

even my noctua cpu fan did that... and tbf the gpu did that too iirc...

 

it also had crazy coilwhine (above like 120fps) meanwhile this is almost completely gone as well, i can play at 165fps for hours, and there's no coilwhine whatsoever anymore (it still happens like on game start or loading a level or something sometimes though,  that's gotta be transient power spikes i guess...) 

 

[Ralf]

1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

Tbh, i got kinda used to the base noise my pc does, 2x180mm front fans at ~600rpm, you are gonna hear them... and also if you really care about noise i recommend something like a inwin 301, i had that, temps are acceptable and the noise levels considerably lower than with my current torrent compact case...

Well I can hear my 4x Arctic P14 PWM PST A-RGB, but it would drive me nuts if they would whine like the regular P14. And the stupid motor noise on Gainward/Palit is the loudest in my PC, that's all I can hear when gaming, don't tell me a gpu costing a 1000 should sound like my PC from the 1990's. No case is gonna drown out that loud motor noise, I tried to use Acoustic Foam and plywood and cardboard around the PC, but yeah no dice, still can hear it in the room next to me and the card is like a vibrator.

1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

Lastly my recommendation still stands, the "eagle" shroud / fans are amongst the most silent ive seen (heard) there's no rattling,  motor is inaudible,  the only thing you hear is the air/wind it produces,  which is literally unavoidable. 

 

it also had crazy coilwhine (above like 120fps) meanwhile this is almost completely gone as well, i can play at 165fps for hours, and there's no coilwhine whatsoever anymore (it still happens like on game start or loading a level or something sometimes though,  that's gotta be transient power spikes i guess...) 

 

Eagle costs here the same as Palit 4080 Super GamingPro. My Gainward Phoenix had crazy coil whine even at 60 fps, same on the older Rog Strix cards, back then I got a Nitro+ instead, sadly they don't make nvidia gpu's.

 

[Mark Kaine]

34 minutes ago, Ralf said:

And the stupid motor noise on Gainward/Palit is the loudest in my PC

loudest parts in mine is between the front intakes and the freaking corsair psu (they're about the same really,  says a lot about how bad the corsair fan really is if it makes as much noise as 2 180mm fans lol) 

 

 

34 minutes ago, Ralf said:

Eagle costs here the same as Palit 4080 Super GamingPro. My Gainward Phoenix had crazy coil whine even at 60 fps

i mean, ok, then don't get the palit or the gainward (both are budget brands anyway)

 

i can only tell you i barely (basically not at all) hear my Vision OC which uses the exact same fans and heatsink and very similar shroud as the 40 series , eagle oc, ice oc and aero oc (probably amongst others, but not the rog/aorus etc, which i wouldn't even recommend at all)

 

 

 

hear any rattling or coilwhine, or can you even make out the gpu that gets completely drowned out by the case and cpu fans? because i certainly don't and can't )

 

 

 

in terms of noise distribution I'd rate it roughly like this:

 

case fans: 65%

 

cpu: 10%

 

psu: 20% 

 

gpu: 5%

 

 

so i don't really understand how the gpu specifically could ever be an issue (if we assume no coilwhine or rattling,  which as said obviously tends to be related to which gpu/fan/shroud you actually have lol)

[Mark Kaine]

also JFYI to me in terms of gpu  there's a HUGE difference between like 63% and 71%.... it just gets exponentially louder and I'd say from around 70% it gets actually audible... which basically means in almost all situations it's not audible at all from like 30cm distance,  depending on fancurve(s) and i didn't change my gpu fancurve in almost a decade now... regardless of gpu, and the vision oc is amongst the best, honorable mention goes to msi 1060 gaming X, which was only slightly louder to my recollection.  

[Mark Kaine]

23 hours ago, Hinjima said:

Why would the Palit Gamerock be loud?

i honestly heard only good things about the Gamerock series specifically... but op doesn't want it, and it also seems to be rather expensive, but on the same level as Gigabyte Eagle etc... to me, I'd get the Gamerock,  but as you know, i want a white gpu, so its kinda out of the question!

[Ralf]

15 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

i honestly heard only good things about the Gamerock series specifically... but op doesn't want it, and it also seems to be rather expensive

I want it because the cooler is overkill and I can get away with running all my fans at 25-30% and have a super silent PC, but as I said: