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I've been in the TV industry for 15 years, and we've installed plenty of servers in "AV" racks and AV equipment in server racks. The line between "AV" and "IT" has gotten extremely blurry in that time, but here are the main practical differences nowadays:

 

AV equipment is usually designed to hang off its rack ears, so AV racks have threaded holes to directly accept 10-32 screws. (Older racks may have 12-24 threaded screw holes.) Most of them are too shallow to fully enclose servers, so server rails are adjustable to make the back of the chassis poke out of the rack. The manufacturers also tend to put more effort into making them look nice, since some will end up in recording studios near a workstation.

 

Servers live in rails installed in four post racks that are (typically) at least 36 inches deep. The uprights have square holes that server rails just click into. (Old racks have round holes.) Equipment that needs threaded inserts will require installing cage nuts so the screws have something to thread into.

 

As long as the servers have unimpeded airflow from front to back, they'll be fine. Some AV equipment vents side to side, but servers and network infrastructure devices are almost universally vented end-to-end with the intake on the front. (You can get fans for switches and routers that blow back-to-front, in case you install them facing the hot side of a hot-aisle cold-aisle room.)

What's the difference between an AV rack and a server rack?  I just bought a nice AV rack from FB marketplace for my upcoming surround system but was contemplating putting my servers in it too.  The only difference I can come up with is air flow.  I'm going to set it up tonight and try two old arse dell servers in it and see if they overheat.  Just wanted to see if there is some insight I'm missing.

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7 minutes ago, Psittac said:

What's the difference between an AV rack and a server rack?  I just bought a nice AV rack from FB marketplace for my upcoming surround system but was contemplating putting my servers in it too.  The only difference I can come up with is air flow.  I'm going to set it up tonight and try two old arse dell servers in it and see if they overheat.  Just wanted to see if there is some insight I'm missing.

There is no difference other than name. There are multiple kinds of each rack. 4 post, two post, open, enclosed. All can be A/V or server racks.

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I've been in the TV industry for 15 years, and we've installed plenty of servers in "AV" racks and AV equipment in server racks. The line between "AV" and "IT" has gotten extremely blurry in that time, but here are the main practical differences nowadays:

 

AV equipment is usually designed to hang off its rack ears, so AV racks have threaded holes to directly accept 10-32 screws. (Older racks may have 12-24 threaded screw holes.) Most of them are too shallow to fully enclose servers, so server rails are adjustable to make the back of the chassis poke out of the rack. The manufacturers also tend to put more effort into making them look nice, since some will end up in recording studios near a workstation.

 

Servers live in rails installed in four post racks that are (typically) at least 36 inches deep. The uprights have square holes that server rails just click into. (Old racks have round holes.) Equipment that needs threaded inserts will require installing cage nuts so the screws have something to thread into.

 

As long as the servers have unimpeded airflow from front to back, they'll be fine. Some AV equipment vents side to side, but servers and network infrastructure devices are almost universally vented end-to-end with the intake on the front. (You can get fans for switches and routers that blow back-to-front, in case you install them facing the hot side of a hot-aisle cold-aisle room.)

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Thank you very much!

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Semi-Open - Beyerdynamic DT880-600 - Fostex T50RP - *AKG K240 studio

Closed-Back - Rode NTH-100 - Meze 99 Neo - AKG K361-BT - Blue Microphones Lola - *Beyerdynamic DT770-80 - *Meze 99 Noir - *Blon BL-B60 *Hifiman R7dx

On-Ear - Koss KPH30iCL Grado - Koss KPH30iCL Yaxi - Koss KPH40 Yaxi

IEM - Tin HiFi T2 - MoonDrop Quarks - Tangzu Wan'er S.G - Moondrop Chu - QKZ x HBB - 7HZ Salnotes Zero

Headset Turtle Beach Stealth 700 V2 + xbox adapter - *Sennheiser Game One - *Razer Kraken Pro V2

DAC S.M.S.L SU-9

Class-D dac/amp Topping DX7 - Schiit Fulla E - Fosi Q4 - *Sybasonic SD-DAC63116

Class-D amp Topping A70

Class-A amp Emotiva A-100 - Xduoo MT-602 (hybrid tube)

Pure Tube amp Darkvoice 336SE - Little dot MKII - Nobsound Little Bear P7

Audio Interface Rode AI-1

Portable Amp Xduoo XP2-pro - *Truthear SHIO - *Fiio BTR3K BTR3Kpro 

Mic Rode NT1 - *Antlion Mod Mic - *Neego Boom Mic - *Vmoda Boom Mic

Pads ZMF - Dekoni - Brainwavz - Shure - Yaxi - Grado - Wicked Cushions

Cables Hart Audio Cables - Periapt Audio Cables

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I got to mess around with it a little tonight and got my stereo equipment in, and when I decided to test the servers fitment I realized that the rack mounts I have require the square holes and not threaded holes.  I looked a little at the rack and it appears that if I were to rotate the bars which have threads on them to a different orientation it might allow for servers to be installed? (let me try and get a picture of what I'm talking about.....  The more I look at it the more I'm thinking this isn't a thing.... more like that's just what the metal they used looks like.

 

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ok well I went to link the product and found the manual which doesn't mention anything of this.  It's a 27U AV Rack Audio Component Rack and Home Theater

 

Are there rack mounts that utilize the threaded holes?  I might just put the server on a shelf to test it out.  I ran out of enthusiasm and energy to work on it anymore, this is just temporary.

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Well holy crap I answered my own question, was having bad luck finding the information then found it on YT

 

 

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Semi-Open - Beyerdynamic DT880-600 - Fostex T50RP - *AKG K240 studio

Closed-Back - Rode NTH-100 - Meze 99 Neo - AKG K361-BT - Blue Microphones Lola - *Beyerdynamic DT770-80 - *Meze 99 Noir - *Blon BL-B60 *Hifiman R7dx

On-Ear - Koss KPH30iCL Grado - Koss KPH30iCL Yaxi - Koss KPH40 Yaxi

IEM - Tin HiFi T2 - MoonDrop Quarks - Tangzu Wan'er S.G - Moondrop Chu - QKZ x HBB - 7HZ Salnotes Zero

Headset Turtle Beach Stealth 700 V2 + xbox adapter - *Sennheiser Game One - *Razer Kraken Pro V2

DAC S.M.S.L SU-9

Class-D dac/amp Topping DX7 - Schiit Fulla E - Fosi Q4 - *Sybasonic SD-DAC63116

Class-D amp Topping A70

Class-A amp Emotiva A-100 - Xduoo MT-602 (hybrid tube)

Pure Tube amp Darkvoice 336SE - Little dot MKII - Nobsound Little Bear P7

Audio Interface Rode AI-1

Portable Amp Xduoo XP2-pro - *Truthear SHIO - *Fiio BTR3K BTR3Kpro 

Mic Rode NT1 - *Antlion Mod Mic - *Neego Boom Mic - *Vmoda Boom Mic

Pads ZMF - Dekoni - Brainwavz - Shure - Yaxi - Grado - Wicked Cushions

Cables Hart Audio Cables - Periapt Audio Cables

Speakers Kef Q950 - Micca RB42 - Jamo S803 - Crown XLi1500 (power amp class A)

 

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