stutters for 3 years with not much progress after upgrading

[Chaoboy]

Hello, I've been having trouble with stutters and jitters for about 3-4 years now replaced every part i could twice searched google for a very long time trying everything i could to fix it but still face issues to this day. uninstalled drivers with ddu looked up a lot of registry stuff constant surfing through other peoples posts about settings and configurations across a lot of different games, reset windows at least 6 times and recently again after upgrading to windows 11.
 

so far the only games that have absolutely no issues with are overwatch and black ops 4 otherwise i'll run into a stutter eventually an it made me think my computer was designed specifically to run battle net games and nothing else. the stutters arent constant anymore since upgrading but they're still around especially on newer games but i dont really expect much from newer titles for perfect performance,
 

my temps all seem fine with 83c at the highest for my GPU 81c for my CPU and i feel like my stutters involve text or pop-ups appearing such as menu's and text you see on games (for example in bo3 zombies i would have a stutter whenever i get close to the gobblegum machine where text would appear telling me to press E to buy, same with mystery box) across a lot of different games. it seems like loading text or loading anything seems to be an issue such as areas or characters even with a samsung nvme but i was also told it was a cpu and ram issue and have upgraded both ram an cpu 3 times (will post specs at end of the post) a lot of people have said they cant really tell when they drop slight frames but if i were for example locked at 60 and it went down to 59 i would see a slight jitter in the objects around me kinda like a very small tiny microstutter
 

since upgrading literally everything i could've just to play games that are either kinda near or not even close the recommended specs i found something about a UPS power generator if this was all due to "dirty electricity" somehow causing these stutters to happen. i live in a old building so i guess but its kinda hard to accept. i have nothing else to spend money on besides a high end cpu and gpu for games that dont even need all that so if i have to i'll try it out. i made sure to pay a pc repair shop to rebuild my pc just to absolutely make sure the cause of the stutters wasn't my building.
 

i also have this weird issue where vsync off gsync off (freesync compatible) looks very jittery so my settings for games are mostly vsync on gsync on true full screen 141 cap following blurbusters gsync guide. if i were to play with all of that off it looks ugly and the stutters dont really poof out of existence so i just have all of it on
 

i wonder if these stutters just happen and are just how things are and wonder if you can never truly have a locked cap experience even if you set it to 60 when your average fps is over 150-200+fps. im sure i've left out a lot of fixes that i've tried that i cant remember off the top of my head so there might be a lot of "already tried that" answers to help so apologies and thank you for the help
 

Specs:
RTX 3060 (8gb vram) (Display port)
r7 5700x
Gigabyte b550m ds3h (installed few weeks ago with no changes)
EVGA 750w GS PSU Gold
G.skill trident Z RGB 3600MHZ 32GB
Samsung 980 m.2 nvme SSD 1tb
T-force Vulcan Z 2tb SATA SSD

[jaslion]

Reset or REINSTALL? Massive difference there btw.

 

Btw a proper ups that does power filtering can help.

26 minutes ago, Chaoboy said:

. i live in a old building so i guess but its kinda hard to accept

Youd be surprised how stupid this can be. But it is a valid solution.

[Chaoboy]

4 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Reset or REINSTALL? Massive difference there btw.

 

Btw a proper ups that does power filtering can help.

Youd be surprised how stupid this can be. But it is a valid solution.

as post said i did reset 6 times and once recently for a w11 upgrade with no changes. will look into proper ups

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, Chaoboy said:

as post said i did reset 6 times and once recently for a w11 upgrade with no changes. will look into proper ups

Ok but is that the built in windows reset? Because that fixes NOTHING normally. A FULL WIPE AND REINSTALL is what you want to do!

[Chaoboy]

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Ok but is that the built in windows reset? Because that fixes NOTHING normally. A FULL WIPE AND REINSTALL is what you want to do!

when i got the windows 11 upgrade the shop did a complete reset and installed a clean version of w11

[Chaoboy]

5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Ok but is that the built in windows reset? Because that fixes NOTHING normally. A FULL WIPE AND REINSTALL is what you want to do!

regarding the ups does it need a certain wattage or anything specific?

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, Chaoboy said:

when i got the windows 11 upgrade the shop did a complete reset and installed a clean version of w11

Ok good to know. I would still do it yourself just to be sure. Disconnect one of the ssds so you can have one keep all the data you want and then reinstall a OFFICIAL download from microsoft.

 

Then literally just install windows, grab a driver from the official nvidia site and launch q problem game that you FRESHLY downloaded.

 

Else well a ups could fix it if its indeed dirty power.

 

Also on another note is xmp on in the bios? If so turnthat off and let the memory run at 2133mhz.

 

Same for pbo leave it off.

 

Basically making the pc as SAFE and little influence as possible to then work from there.

 

Also have you tried to run the pc at a different house? If they have proper power could be it just magically works well.

 

 

[Chaoboy]

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Ok good to know. I would still do it yourself just to be sure. Disconnect one of the ssds so you can have one keep all the data you want and then reinstall a OFFICIAL download from microsoft.

 

Then literally just install windows, grab a driver from the official nvidia site and launch q problem game that you FRESHLY downloaded.

 

Else well a ups could fix it if its indeed dirty power.

 

Also on another note is xmp on in the bios? If so turnthat off and let the memory run at 2133mhz.

 

Same for pbo leave it off.

 

Basically making the pc as SAFE and little influence as possible to then work from there.

 

Also have you tried to run the pc at a different house? If they have proper power could be it just magically works well.

 

 

i do know xmp is as its on as for pbo i'm not entirely sure what that is would turning that on/off be a good test?

i have not tried a different house no

[jaslion]

28 minutes ago, Chaoboy said:

i do know xmp is as its on as for pbo i'm not entirely sure what that is would turning that on/off be a good test?

i have not tried a different house no

Turn any of those off. As that is technicallt overclocking. Pbo is performance boost overdrive. It can be automarically turned on in bios sometimes.

[Chaoboy]

2 hours ago, jaslion said:

Turn any of those off. As that is technicallt overclocking. Pbo is performance boost overdrive. It can be automarically turned on in bios sometimes.

so since i didnt actually know about pbo i did some testing and went into town on a game with it on, off, and auto and on auto i got some stutters in the loading screen when loading my character and on and off my game had a stutter when moving twice pretty fast. im gonna try it with both xmp off and pbo off but i am a bit worried if this is an xmp thing since i've been told it actually helps performance and stuttering by quite a bit. its weird how auto was the best one enable an disable my game like froze twice pretty fast

[Chaoboy]

8 minutes ago, Chaoboy said:

so since i didnt actually know about pbo i did some testing and went into town on a game with it on, off, and auto and on auto i got some stutters in the loading screen when loading my character and on and off my game had a stutter when moving twice pretty fast. im gonna try it with both xmp off and pbo off but i am a bit worried if this is an xmp thing since i've been told it actually helps performance and stuttering by quite a bit. its weird how auto was the best one enable an disable my game like froze twice pretty fast

alright i tried with xmp off and pbo off and had a very chunky freeze and a general performance decrease but that was to be expected. i'm not sure how these changes would be long term as these are very quick 5m tests per change. so far it looks best to do auto pbo xmp on which were my standard settings anyway

[jaslion]

8 hours ago, Chaoboy said:

alright i tried with xmp off and pbo off and had a very chunky freeze and a general performance decrease but that was to be expected. i'm not sure how these changes would be long term as these are very quick 5m tests per change. so far it looks best to do auto pbo xmp on which were my standard settings anyway

What game are you testing this in btw?

[Doobeedoo]

What do you play though and what settings. Make sure VRAM is not getting maxed as that causes big stutters.

[Chaoboy]

8 hours ago, jaslion said:

What game are you testing this in btw?

i was testing it in ffxiv since thats my main game since xiv is cpu intensive i figured i would get some results there. i run all my settings as low as possible so i can cope and pretend like it will help. my vram is never really maxed out because i do this ive never seen it reach above 4gb

[Chaoboy]

6 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

What do you play though and what settings. Make sure VRAM is not getting maxed as that causes big stutters.

the games i usually play are xiv ow dfo (dfo i get stutters from opening up menu's, when a player character is rendered, and sometimes in a raid it will just freeze. idk if thats the games optimization or just me) lost ark i've tried but it runs horrible my frametime graph might as well look like a heartbeat monitor, throne an liberty was tried recently but i didn't have too much expectations since newer games tend to run horrible for me and it very much did. labyrinthine, d2, dbd, deep rock galactic stutters quite a bit more then my usuals outside of ffxiv and ow i usually get stutters at least once every 5m but deep rock stuttered quite a bit and i was told it was because of shader cache. elden ring's performance was once every 5m as well. all of these games are on absolute lowest i can go besides ow since that one i've never had any issues with. so far im just playing dfo ow and xiv since these ones arent as bad as the others. ffxiv i'll only get a stutter if i open up a menu with a lot of text to be loaded (party finder) and heavy jitter if im in a main city. my impression of my computer for the past 4 years is if my framerate counter changes it looks like a microstutter the only time its a true smooth free experience is when the silly number does not move an inch, no idea if thats normal or to be expected with pcs

[jaslion]

2 hours ago, Chaoboy said:

i was testing it in ffxiv since thats my main game since xiv is cpu intensive i figured i would get some results there. i run all my settings as low as possible so i can cope and pretend like it will help. my vram is never really maxed out because i do this ive never seen it reach above 4gb

Ok so for sure just REINSTALL windows here.

 

Also what are the temps during gaming?

[Doobeedoo]

4 hours ago, Chaoboy said:

the games i usually play are xiv ow dfo (dfo i get stutters from opening up menu's, when a player character is rendered, and sometimes in a raid it will just freeze. idk if thats the games optimization or just me) lost ark i've tried but it runs horrible my frametime graph might as well look like a heartbeat monitor, throne an liberty was tried recently but i didn't have too much expectations since newer games tend to run horrible for me and it very much did. labyrinthine, d2, dbd, deep rock galactic stutters quite a bit more then my usuals outside of ffxiv and ow i usually get stutters at least once every 5m but deep rock stuttered quite a bit and i was told it was because of shader cache. elden ring's performance was once every 5m as well. all of these games are on absolute lowest i can go besides ow since that one i've never had any issues with. so far im just playing dfo ow and xiv since these ones arent as bad as the others. ffxiv i'll only get a stutter if i open up a menu with a lot of text to be loaded (party finder) and heavy jitter if im in a main city. my impression of my computer for the past 4 years is if my framerate counter changes it looks like a microstutter the only time its a true smooth free experience is when the silly number does not move an inch, no idea if thats normal or to be expected with pcs

Check the usage of cpu, gpu, ram, vram and if anything it getting maxed. Lower settings. Something is off, the shader cache can always be an issues, but usually on the first pass and such. Also these are older games. Really I'd just do a clean Windows reinstall, update bios, drivers and go from there.

 

[Mark Kaine]

i live in an old house, the cables are probably close to 70 years old by now, no ups, no stutters...

 

not saying that's not it just i wouldn't focus too much on it... try a high quality ups sure, but i would be surprised if that does anything. 

 

all the "reset" talk and gsync on and off vsync talk makes me think this is probably a bad monitor or, even more likely, wrong user settings. 

 

so in Overwatch you're running vsync AND gsync, correct?  (just trying to get a picture of what's going on)

 

And at what framerate does that run at?

 

Additionally as others have said ultimately you probably need a *full* "reinstall of Windows 10... and if you do that make sure to use a new, empty quality SSD as the only storage.  

[Chaoboy]

2 hours ago, jaslion said:

Ok so for sure just REINSTALL windows here.

 

Also what are the temps during gaming?

temps never breach past 83c on average low 70's. the highest ive seen i believe is 85 through cpu stress testing to see if there would be any errors. as these are pretty old and easy to run games i never really see 80c often besides bo4 which is usually at 81.

[Chaoboy]

1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

i live in an old house, the cables are probably close to 70 years old by now, no ups, no stutters...

 

not saying that's not it just i wouldn't focus too much on it... try a high quality ups sure, but i would be surprised if that does anything. 

 

all the "reset" talk and gsync on and off vsync talk makes me think this is probably a bad monitor or, even more likely, wrong user settings. 

 

so in Overwatch you're running vsync AND gsync, correct?  (just trying to get a picture of what's going on)

 

And at what framerate does that run at?

 

Additionally as others have said ultimately you probably need a *full* "reinstall of Windows 10... and if you do that make sure to use a new, empty quality SSD as the only storage.  

yes i am. i at least try to do the true fullscreen 141 cap vsync on (through nvcp) gsync on. some games dont have true fullscreen so i just have to play without it. i've tried to lower the cap to make sure its a complete lock but nothing like that really worked out for me

[Chaoboy]

52 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Check the usage of cpu, gpu, ram, vram and if anything it getting maxed. Lower settings. Something is off, the shader cache can always be an issues, but usually on the first pass and such. Also these are older games. Really I'd just do a clean Windows reinstall, update bios, drivers and go from there.

 

for cpu im not sure what to generally look for. i can see all my threads fluctuate a lot but the general % thats on task manager never really hits 100% unless its loading cache as for gpu ram an vram i wish they were 100% so i would know wtf was going on. one thing i do see is copy spiking to 100% kinda randomly. these match with stutters i see on my desktop during some rare times like opening up something like google or steam or spotify i would see my mouse freeze an skip

[Chaoboy]

Just now, Chaoboy said:

for cpu im not sure what to generally look for. i can see all my threads fluctuate a lot but the general % thats on task manager never really hits 100% unless its loading cache as for gpu ram an vram i wish they were 100% so i would know wtf was going on. one thing i do see is copy spiking to 100% kinda randomly. these match with stutters i see on my desktop during some rare times like opening up something like google or steam or spotify i would see my mouse freeze an skip

i never really thought much of it but it came to my attention now that i thought about spikes. when i first found out about it i dismissed it since there were zero changes when i replaced my old 960 thinking that was the cause of everything with how old the gpu was.

[Mark Kaine]

6 minutes ago, Chaoboy said:

yes i am. i at least try to do the true fullscreen 141 cap vsync on (through nvcp) gsync on. some games dont have true fullscreen so i just have to play without it. i've tried to lower the cap to make sure its a complete lock but nothing like that really worked out for me

hmm ok, but that's kinda what i was expecting and hinting at ...

 

 

idk how to say this but are you aware this "cap" and probably everything else you did is typically not necessary? 

 

or in other words, you should just literally leave everything at default settings and use vsync in game, as said its important everything else is at default settings,  especially nvidia control panel...

 

 

because yea this "blurbusters" thing works for some people, but not for everyone... if i "cap" my fps in the way you do, i get "stutters" for example. so i either use vsync (ingame) *or* fast sync in nvidia control panel. 

 

 

another thing to consider,  its an ok system for sure but it might struggle with some title and 144fps... so you maybe just need to lower graphic settings.  

[Doobeedoo]

7 minutes ago, Chaoboy said:

for cpu im not sure what to generally look for. i can see all my threads fluctuate a lot but the general % thats on task manager never really hits 100% unless its loading cache as for gpu ram an vram i wish they were 100% so i would know wtf was going on. one thing i do see is copy spiking to 100% kinda randomly. these match with stutters i see on my desktop during some rare times like opening up something like google or steam or spotify i would see my mouse freeze an skip

That is odd if it happens with just programs. Could be some driver issues or something since it's not a game and should not happen for programs. If you already did DDU and have clean new drivers, not sure. Check of some background program may not hog the system.

[Mark Kaine]

7 minutes ago, Chaoboy said:

for cpu im not sure what to generally look for. i can see all my threads fluctuate a lot but the general % thats on task manager never really hits 100% unless its loading cache as for gpu ram an vram i wish they were 100% so i would know wtf was going on. one thing i do see is copy spiking to 100% kinda randomly. these match with stutters i see on my desktop during some rare times like opening up something like google or steam or spotify i would see my mouse freeze an skip

with multi core cpus its like this: *one* single core or thread at 100% you'll get stutters and freezes and framedrops, so that's literally what you have to monitor,  *all* cores, in real time, not just cpu overall load...