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How much performance do I get by upgrading my RAM from 16GB 3200MHz to 32GB 3600MHz?

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On 10/6/2024 at 9:01 PM, Caveman0407 said:

I'm thinking about upgrading my laptop

Specs: (Asus ROG Strix G15 2021)

  • R7 5800h
  • RTX 3050TI

Probably zero to inconsequential in terms of gaming, the increase speed from 3200mhz to 3600mhz would be the main reason for this, if there are any gain. But as for increasing from 16gb to 32gb, the main thing it would improve on is your multitasking. If you are opening multiple tabs on your browser or running a lot of apps at the same time. Some professional task also benefits by adding more rams, like video editing, 3d model and render, etc. But normal day to day usage, probably 16gb is just enough and 32gb if the resolution is 1440p or higher, or you like to use multiple monitors and more than one applications are open at the same time. In todays time and pricing, 32gb seems a good choice. 

I'm thinking about upgrading my laptop, I usually use it for gaming

Specs: (Asus ROG Strix G15 2021)

  • R7 5800h
  • RTX 3050TI
  • (as of right now) 16GB 3200MHz DDR4 (2x8GB)
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It depends on what you use it for, but it will increase clock speeds, decrease crashes and freezes and probably eliminate reliance on virtual memory (i.e. using storage as memory). You'll see the difference - I did when I upgraded my laptop RAM. 

 

If you're doing stuff that needs a ton of memory, consider 64GB.

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

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On 10/6/2024 at 9:01 PM, Caveman0407 said:

I'm thinking about upgrading my laptop

Specs: (Asus ROG Strix G15 2021)

  • R7 5800h
  • RTX 3050TI

Probably zero to inconsequential in terms of gaming, the increase speed from 3200mhz to 3600mhz would be the main reason for this, if there are any gain. But as for increasing from 16gb to 32gb, the main thing it would improve on is your multitasking. If you are opening multiple tabs on your browser or running a lot of apps at the same time. Some professional task also benefits by adding more rams, like video editing, 3d model and render, etc. But normal day to day usage, probably 16gb is just enough and 32gb if the resolution is 1440p or higher, or you like to use multiple monitors and more than one applications are open at the same time. In todays time and pricing, 32gb seems a good choice. 

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If you're not using the memory you have right now, then practically nothing.

 

If you ARE using all the memory, then you should notice a lot more responsiveness when you're opening and close programs, less stutters in games (especially during loading periods) and maybe more framerate consistency/higher lows. In some games that use a lot of memory it can also help with stability during longer sessions (like strategy games or MMOs).

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The speed really doesn't matter that much, but it is good to have higher speed. What will matter a lot is the capacity. You didn't tell what you need that much memory for.

 

Basic tasks will pretty much see no visible difference, especially if you have a good and fast SSD so even with more RAM, caching and little bit less reliance on page file won't make that much difference. You will see difference if you heavily web browse or multitask a lot. And for gaming, 16 gigs is still fine, but many games can run better with more than 16 GB memory, but I suppose you won't be playing triple A titles with those specs.

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1 hour ago, RevGAM said:

It depends on what you use it for, but it will increase clock speeds, decrease crashes and freezes and probably eliminate reliance on virtual memory (i.e. using storage as memory). You'll see the difference - I did when I upgraded my laptop RAM. 

 

If you're doing stuff that needs a ton of memory, consider 64GB.

I heard AMD Ryzen was pretty sensitive to clockspeeds. I figured it could have an increase in performance (probably will but I did think that the increase would have a bigger impact)

 

31 minutes ago, Haswellx86 said:

And for gaming, 16 gigs is still fine, but many games can run better with more than 16 GB memory, but I suppose you won't be playing triple A titles with those specs.

59 minutes ago, Tetras said:

If you're not using the memory you have right now, then practically nothing.

Yeah, I play Valorant and OW as of right now (though I usually have either Discord and/or Spotify in the background). I may need to do video editing projects for college but that's still an if. Perhaps I could upgrade later if I do need 32GB or even 64GB (but I've also heard problems from other people with the same model laptop as mine with getting 64GB working)

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1 hour ago, Caveman0407 said:

I'm thinking about upgrading my laptop, I usually use it for gaming

Specs: (Asus ROG Strix G15 2021)

  • R7 5800h
  • RTX 3050TI

The CPU only officially supports 3200 so 3600 is irrelevant. Check the laptop can support 3600 before you look for any, but it is unlikely.

 

However, there can still be a performance gain depending on your existing ram in the laptop. I'll assume it is 2x8GB 1Rx16, which sucks. 1x16GB of any type would differently suck.

 

1Rx16 is basically the worst ram. 1Rx8 is ok. 2Rx8 is better. At 8GB module size it has moved to 1Rx16 for quite a while. My laptop had that fitted. By moving to 16GB modules, you can get 1Rx8 or 2Rx8 if you shop carefully. I found Kingston to allow me to choose 2R modules.

 

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This is the perf difference I saw by replacing the ram. Same speed and latency, main difference being 1Rx16 to 2Rx8. Game testing at 1080p. I'm not a benchmark monkey hence only a handful of tests. More details in thread below.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Caveman0407 said:

I heard AMD Ryzen was pretty sensitive to clockspeeds. I figured it could have an increase in performance (probably will but I did think that the increase would have a bigger impact)

I think that is mostly on the desktop side because AMD uses a chiplet design, and there is relatively low memory bandwidth and higher latency between chiplets. AMD's mobile SKUs however, don't use a chiplet design, and so I don't think that they suffer quite from this issue. But yeah, if you can get your hands on it, then it is good. Also, I would suggest to follow everything @porina said.

 

5 minutes ago, Caveman0407 said:

Valorant

That runs fine on 16 GB. Video editing and all still works on 16 GB, but it depends how and what you are editing. In some cases, yes, 32 GB will help. But I don't know about 64 GB, and if it will even work at all. And anyways for whatever your specs are, 32 GB at most seems suitable.

Microsoft owns my soul.

 

Also, Dell is evil, but HP kinda nice.

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16 minutes ago, porina said:

The CPU only officially supports 3200 so 3600 is irrelevant. Check the laptop can support 3600 before you look for any, but it is unlikely.

 

I forgot to check. Anyways, at least I don't have to buy 3600 and save some money. Also, it is dual channel so 2x8GB (I've also edited the original post to add more details)

 

 

15 minutes ago, Haswellx86 said:

That runs fine on 16 GB

I don't have much preformance issues, I was just wondering if it will increase performance by adding more RAM. Perhaps I'll probably spend it on a new SSD.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Caveman0407 said:

I forgot to check. Anyways, at least I don't have to buy 3600 and save some money. Also, it is dual channel so 2x8GB (I've also edited the original post to add more details)

 

I don't have much preformance issues, I was just wondering if it will increase performance by adding more RAM. Perhaps I'll probably spend it on a new SSD.

Again, going from 16 to 32 will improve performance... just make sure you choose the right kit. Check the compatibility. If in doubt, ask about kits you are considering. 

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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3 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Again, going from 16 to 32 will improve performance...

I'd expect so. But for my money, I think it's better if I got a bigger SSD and but add more RAM later on (or just buy a new PC entirely, this is a medium-short term thing (I think) before I want or have to buy a new PC but that's a story for another time)

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22 minutes ago, Caveman0407 said:

I was just wondering if it will increase performance by adding more RAM.

Adding more RAM doesn't linearly increase performance like with upgrading a CPU or a GPU. With CPU or a GPU, the higher you upgrade, the higher performance you will get, i.e., more fps in games. But the thing with RAM is that either you are really low on it and your applications are unusablly slow and stuttery, or your system is only running a bit heavy on memory, so maybe occasional stutters in games, slow loading of applications, not a lot of caching in memory, and frequent activity with page file, whose performance loss can be lowered with a faster drive. And the last segment is where you have enough memory where there is descent memory caching, and little to no activity with page file.

 

You don't need more RAM if you don't need it, but having the luxury aside, 32 GB in today's world does seem to be a good bet. If you can upgrade it, maybe you should. There isn't a down side. 64 GB though, is only needed if you actually require it, or else it is only just for the luxury, on a non-luxurious system.

Microsoft owns my soul.

 

Also, Dell is evil, but HP kinda nice.

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1 hour ago, Caveman0407 said:

I'd expect so. But for my money, I think it's better if I got a bigger SSD and but add more RAM later on (or just buy a new PC entirely, this is a medium-short term thing (I think) before I want or have to buy a new PC but that's a story for another time)

What is your use case that storage is more important than memory?

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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On 10/7/2024 at 12:27 AM, RevGAM said:

What is your use case that storage is more important than memory?

Sorry for the late response. Essentially my storage is almost full. I'm considering buying both new RAM and a new SSD. However, I was unsure about if I should get the RAM upgrade. If I don't do the RAM upgrade then I could save some money for other things (like my college tuition)

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30 minutes ago, Caveman0407 said:

Sorry for the late response. Essentially my storage is almost full. I'm considering buying both new RAM and a new SSD. However, I was unsure about if I should get the RAM upgrade. If I don't do the RAM upgrade then I could save some money for other things (like my college tuition)

Well, getting bigger storage will certainly help, but getting more RAM means less of it will be used as virtual memory, which will have the added benefit of less lag because using storage as RAM isn't as fast as using RAM, although I suspect that, like with accessing an SSD, normal operations may not reflect this improvement, but heavy/high data load transactions probably will feel faster.

 

On the other hand, colleges don't like not being paid the tuition. 😉

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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24 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

but getting more RAM means less of it will be used as virtual memory, which will have the added benefit of less lag because using storage as RAM isn't as fast as using RAM,

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