Why the PS5 Pro is $700

[David S_rpr1z3 Gauthier]

Sony has officially revealed the Playstation 5 Pro, and it’s EXPENSIVE. You could buy a used PS5 and a Steam Deck, or a WHOLE FREAKING GAMING PC for the same budget! While the exclusive games might be good, it’s hard to swallow the unexpectedly high price when the upgrade feels so… expected.

[Middcore]

Because the scalpers after the original PS5's release proved that some people were willing to spend well in excess of $500 on a console and Sony doesn't want to leave profit for the scalper middlemen if they can take that profit for themselves.

 

Similarly, the GPU scalpers in 2020-21 taught Nvidia that they could jack the prices for GPUs way up and still get people to pay, so they did. 

[powertoys]

Greed

[GoStormPlays]

LTT says they don't like people clicking their videos and commenting before they watched the video, and then they title the video this loll

[Agall]

34 minutes ago, David S_rpr1z3 Gauthier said:

Sony has officially revealed the Playstation 5 Pro, and it’s EXPENSIVE. You could buy a used PS5 and a Steam Deck, or a WHOLE FREAKING GAMING PC for the same budget! While the exclusive games might be good, it’s hard to swallow the unexpectedly high price when the upgrade feels so… expected.

Probably because it's not subsidized by launch title game sales that allows them to sell the hardware at almost a loss.

[Dedayog]

49 minutes ago, Middcore said:

Because the scalpers after the original PS5's release proved that some people were willing to spend well in excess of $500 on a console and Sony doesn't want to leave profit for the scalper middlemen if they can take that profit for themselves.

 

Similarly, the GPU scalpers in 2020-21 taught Nvidia that they could jack the prices for GPUs way up and still get people to pay, so they did. 

Isn't that the same reason LTT created FloatPlane, so they didn't leave profit to YT so they could have it themselves when they realize people will pay for content they could get free?

[FlyingPotato_is_taken]

40 minutes ago, GoStormPlays said:

and then they title the video this loll

If you like "objective" titles than read journals. Nobody would click a YouTube video titled "Interpenetrating phases composites Ti6Al4V/Zn as partially degradable biomaterials to improve bone-implant properties"

 

It is always a balance and LMG, in my humble opinion, on the conservative site. "Why [expensive object] is [amount of money]?" is a term a normal user would type into the search.

[Birblover12]

1 hour ago, David S_rpr1z3 Gauthier said:

While the exclusive games might be good

The funny thing is that there barely are any "exclusive" games anymore on the Playstation since they're all coming to PC anyways. So really once you factor in the extra disk drive and PS+ to get online access there's really zero reason to not just buy a PC at that point, since you could just play the games (probably at a higher framerate and with mod options) and have an entire high-end PC left over to do whatever with.

 

If Sony priced it more aggressively maybe it'd make more sense, but this really does feel like they're pricing it "because they can" rather than anything else.

 

[Dedayog]

Just now, Birblover12 said:

The funny thing is that there barely are any "exclusive" games anymore on the Playstation since they're all coming to PC anyways. So really once you factor in the extra disk drive and PS+ to get online access there's really zero reason to not just buy a PC at that point, since you could just play the games (probably at a higher framerate and with mod options) and have an entire high-end PC left over to do whatever with.

 

If Sony priced it more aggressively maybe it'd make more sense, but this really does feel like they're pricing it "because they can" rather than anything else.

 

If you call a $700 PC "high end" you have been living under a rock...

[Jose Ashbrook]

Name of intro classical music?

Thanks in advance

[SaperPL]

@LinusTech this is a good moment to talk about the Steam Machine and what it should be as a "console killer". Whatever we build ourselves and show people that it can be done, doesn't cover all bases that the complete console does:

• it's backed by the company selling games on their platform (Sony/Valve) so they are, or supposed to be, making sure the games run well on this specific configuration
• the system is set up as the manufacturer wanted - not to loud, not overheating, not heating up your room
• the system is small in a modern design somewhat fitting living room/in front of tv and not making too much space
• the vendor can eat up the part of the price initially to later on catch up with the scale of sales

If you take a look at the steam deck - a lot of people are okay with it's performance for that screen or even when attached to the TV or a monitor. And there are people that are obviously okay with playing games on a console. Making a console "killer" PC doesn't necessarily mean making a faster system, but comparable one in performance and features above.

 

There is a performance level that is okay for a lot of people, somewhere between steam deck and console killer $500 builds, that trades some of the performance for the size, being quiet, while still being an ATX PC that is serviceable and upgrade'able and not a custom board laptop-like PC. It would be cool to see a video about this kind of approach, because making a console killer with used parts, full size boards and tower cases is cheating when comparing to a console that doesn't have that much room for cooling.

[Birblover12]

21 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

If you call a $700 PC "high end" you have been living under a rock...

I guess it's all relative, but in Europe it costs 800 euros and on top of that the disk drive costs another 100 euros. Even if you don't add on PS+ for a year, after VAT and such you're quickly approaching 1000 Euros, at which point if you're willing to go used you can get some very powerful GPUs. I hear it's even worse over in Japan's pricing.

 

Even if you were to not buy the disk drive OR PS+ and only use the base 700 USD pricetag, if you were to buy a cheap business PC second hand you could probably still buy a 7800 XT (used) which is arguably still very good. Granted you still need peripherals, but you need them too for a PlayStation so personally that's a moot point. The most recent scrapyard wars worked with a similar budget and iirc they came out with a whole setup with a 3080(?), so you can make it work.

 

Regardless of how people want to spin it, with Sony's current pricing it's a VERY tough sell when you consider you can save money buying PS games on PC and furthermore said PS games often come with included DLC, graphical improvements and framerate increases. AND you get a whole PC to use for whatever else.

 

[jaslion]

I mean with the drive (which is required as physical games are often WAY cheaper than the digital ones) I'm lookinh at 1050€ ish which I can legit just build a pretty killer computer for. Even more if I want to used hunt a bit and/or add thr price of ps plus to it for a couple years.

 

But yeah NEW I can reliably build a most likely competitive system with the ps5 pro, have a device that does more than gaming and enjoy the far better sales steam offers whilst still enjoying playing with console friends due to crossplay.

 

So yeah this price DOESNT make any sense. Just how the launch ps3 didnt ehich made the xbox 360 the default choice basically if you wanted an hd console. Hell the ps5 was already priced really spicy and made itself not make sense for 2 years price wise and a pc a valid option even if the gpu's werent being normal.

 

Now gpus are quite normal and we have end of life am4/intel 12th gen fot cheap as well as pretty good gpu prices so anyone looking to game has heaps of optiond right now and then some which is good! Except the ps5 pro which is piss poor value here

[powertoys]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

If you call a $700 PC "high end" you have been living under a rock...

 

It doesn't really matter, consumers have already voted with their wallets and GPU companies have figured out that they are totally fine with $600 """midrange""" GPUs.

 

Btw, a $700 PC can absolutely obliterate the PS5 Pro (hint: RX 6600) while still being a PC, not a console

[GoStormPlays]

1 hour ago, FlyingPotato_is_taken said:

If you like "objective" titles than read journals. Nobody would click a YouTube video titled "Interpenetrating phases composites Ti6Al4V/Zn as partially degradable biomaterials to improve bone-implant properties"

 

It is always a balance and LMG, in my humble opinion, on the conservative site. "Why [expensive object] is [amount of money]?" is a term a normal user would type into the search.

I'm not saying it's wrong. I like the title and thumbnail, but I'm just saying that's going to attract that type of viewer lol

[starsmine]

36 minutes ago, Shloopingle said:

Lets pretend you are going to build your PC and use the TV.

 

For the UK the end price here will amount to roughly $1100 if you buy the disc drive and stand also.

 

 

I can make concessions here without really losing much if any performance in games too.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£98.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760-P DDR4 II ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (£109.98 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£57.78 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming D OC Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (£425.99 @ Newegg UK)
Case: Antec NX410 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£62.98 @ MoreCoCo)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A650GL 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£79.95 @ AWD-IT)
Keyboard: Logitech K725-C Wired Standard Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech G305 LIGHTSPEED Wireless/Wired Optical Mouse  (£46.98 @ Ebuyer)
Speakers: Creative Labs Inspire T10 10 W Speakers
Total: £982.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-11 21:53 BST+0100

 

 

 

I am pretty sure the PC build is about the same or ahead of a PS5 PRO. Definitely has way more memory.

 

 

So complete system PS5 PRO. Roughly $900 after paying for online too.

Its about the same, but it will be incredibly rare to find it ahead. 
ps5 pro has more efficient code(im not saying magic code, there is less bloat, and more direct to metal calls) and rdna 4 RT cores.

I also dont know why people are talking about buying a ps5 pro with a disk drive and then not putting one into the PC that they are comparing to. Add on the software you need to decrypt blu-ray UHD movies as well, which is another 80 bucks

Also PS5 has wifi 7, that build has no wifi at all. 

[starsmine]

1 minute ago, Shloopingle said:

There no games with worth while RT and SONY have no games.

huh?

yes the console that sold 60 million units has no games.

[starsmine]

48 minutes ago, powertoys said:

Btw, a $700 PC can absolutely obliterate the PS5 Pro (hint: RX 6600) while still being a PC, not a console

Yes... A PC running RX 6600 can beat an (checks notes) RX 6800 that is in the with rdna 4 RT cores that is in the ps5 pro.  

[Middcore]

43 minutes ago, Shloopingle said:

Lets pretend you are going to build your PC and use the TV.

 

For the UK the end price here will amount to roughly $1100 if you buy the disc drive and stand also.

 

I don't think including the disc drive in the price for the PS5 side of the comparison is fair. You're acting like having it is necessary for the PS5 Pro, while accepting that all of your games on the PC side will be bought digitally. PC gaming has basically been all-digital for years. 

[Middcore]

6 minutes ago, Shloopingle said:

And cheaper too.

 

I will add the disc drive to buy cheaper copies of the games.

 

CEX.

 

 

I'm not sure what you're saying here. "Cheaper copiers of the games" on disc don't exist for PC. PC game sales are now pretty much entirely digital. The last "physical" copy of a game I got was in ~2018 and it wasn't a disc, it was a piece of paper inside a box with a Steam download code on it. So in other words, it wasn't physical at all. 

 

If you are a person who has to have all of your games physical, then PC gaming is not an option for you. 

 

If you are OK with buying digital, as you have to be for gaming on PC, then you don't need a disc drive for the PS5 Pro, so it's not necessary to include the price of the PS5 Pro in the comparison. But your comparison acts like buying the disc drive is a must for the PS5 Pro, while giving PC a pass for having no option of buying physical games at all. 

[starsmine]

3 minutes ago, Shloopingle said:

And cheaper too.

 

I will add the disc drive to buy cheaper copies of the games.

 

CEX.

what games?

You are the one that said it has no games.

what are you using for a UHD blu ray player?

[Middcore]

1 minute ago, Shloopingle said:

You seem to be under a rock, console games you can buy second hand.

 

My post said it was weird to include the cost of an optical drive for the PS5 Pro when the PC won't get the advantage of an optical drive for physical games, and you said "I'll add an optical drive for cheaper games," so it seemed like you were saying you would add an optical drive for PC.

 

So is being able to buy secondhand games cheaper not an advantage in the PS5's column worth talking about? Can't buy secondhand games for PC.

 

I think the most fair comparison is PC vs PS5 Pro without the disc driver accessory and just accept all your games are going to be digital and bought new. The PS5 Pro doesn't need the disc drive; without the disc drive, it works the same as the PC does. Acting like it's essential seems kind of like you're just trying to inflate the cost of the PS5 Pro to get more budget for the PC in the comparison. 

[starsmine]

9 minutes ago, Shloopingle said:

So GT7.

 

There is nothing else to buy the console for.

 

If we want to go by semantics, who buys a console for less than 10 games for that price?

 

It's retarded IMO.

So you argue that you want to spend 100 on a disk drive
so you can buy GT7 for 40 bucks rather then 60 bucks.

Look I agree I think a modern console with out a disk drive is stupid, because of game preservation and the fact that consoles often become the best set top box/dvd/blu-ray/UHD Blu-ray player. And I agree its not necessary to add a disk drive to a PC

But I stress if you are making the console your set top box by adding the disk drive you cant just pretend the PC has the same capabilities without a disk drive and power DVD, and be close enough to your TV set that you can HDMI it over which is not viable in every home environment. OR adding the cost of a UHD blu-ray player to this.

The fact that Dolby vision was NOT confirmed to be supported (or not supported) and the lack of a disk drive does prevent me from picking this up. 

[Middcore]

8 minutes ago, Shloopingle said:

who buys a console for less than 10 games for that price?

 

People will buy GPU's that cost more than this solely to have a better experience in a few new games that their old GPU struggled with.

 

 

[jordanbuilds1]

6 minutes ago, Shloopingle said:

You seem to be under a rock, console games you can buy second hand.

they are not saying you cant, theres just no need nowadays. you seem quite confused about what your saying. gt7 is not the "only" good game on ps.