7900GRE or 4070 Super?

[Woods_2212]

I have seen so many different opinions on what card is better. I know the GRE has better VRAM but lacks the capability to run ray tracing well, and has worse up scaling technology. 

 

On the other had the 4070 Super has less VRAM but has better performance in ray tracing and upscaling. 

 

I am unsure what card to buy, I also started to look at the 7900 XT. Could you guys please help me out as it will be my first PC and i probably won't be upgrading it any time soon, the CPU is 7800X3D and I would like to play games like black myth, the new warhammer game, cyberpunk, starfield and other games like them. 

 

thank you guys    

[Agall]

21 minutes ago, Woods_2212 said:

I have seen so many different opinions on what card is better. I know the GRE has better VRAM but lacks the capability to run ray tracing well, and has worse up scaling technology. 

 

On the other had the 4070 Super has less VRAM but has better performance in ray tracing and upscaling. 

 

I am unsure what card to buy, I also started to look at the 7900 XT. Could you guys please help me out as it will be my first PC and i probably won't be upgrading it any time soon, the CPU is 7800X3D and I would like to play games like black myth, the new warhammer game, cyberpunk, starfield and other games like them. 

 

thank you guys    

DLSS frame gen is more reliable than Radeon's frame gen, but Radeon's can be applied to any game.

 

If you're primarily playing AAA games, I'd go with the 4070 Super. If you're not playing mostly AAA RT titles, then the 7900 GRE should fair better in the long run.

 

Really it comes down to what you value. 4070 Super should have better resale value in a few years too since it meets the minimum requirements for a lot of AI acceleration technology.

[Middcore]

4 minutes ago, Agall said:

4070 Super should have better resale value in a few years too since it meets the minimum requirements for a lot of AI acceleration technology.

 

AI doesn't enter into it. Nvidia cards are just way easier to resell, speaking from experience. People do not want to buy secondhand Radeon cards, even at deep discounts. Nvidia mindshare is too strong. 

[Agall]

Just now, Middcore said:

 

AI doesn't enter into it. Nvidia cards are just way easier to resell, speaking from experience. People do not want to buy secondhand Radeon cards, even at deep discounts. Nvidia mindshare is too strong. 

You're right, but its not entirely unfounded. I find value in RTX video enhancement features as someone who's experimented heavily with it. My current home theater rig can't run Chat with RTX, but it would be nice to have it do so.

 

I think that's where Nvidia's RTX 4000 series will shine in the long run, local LLM and AI enhancement features for secondary systems. Its a major reason why I haven't downgraded my RTX 4090 to better match its current use-case, since I think its going to end up the GTX 1080ti of RTX cards.

[Maplez]

Well I would personally recommend the RX 7900 Gold Rabbit Edition but if you are actually going to use ray tracing then you go Nvidia.

Now for upscaling I'm going to say that shouldn't really be a deciding factor, Nvidia's is better but AMD offers better support; by the time you should use upscaling AMD will have caught up to what Nvidia 40 series cards support.

 

So in short, both cards are good, go with whatever company you prefer. It doesn't matter which one performs better (to a point), it matters which card you like more because if you don't like the card you have then you'll never like using it.

[Woods_2212]

Just now, Maplez said:

Well I would personally recommend the RX 7900 Gold Rabbit Edition but if you are actually going to use ray tracing then you go Nvidia.

Now for upscaling I'm going to say that shouldn't really be a deciding factor, Nvidia's is better but AMD offers better support; by the time you should use upscaling AMD will have caught up to what Nvidia 40 series cards support.

 

So in short, both cards are good, go with whatever company you prefer. It doesn't matter which one performs better (to a point), it matters which card you like more because if you don't like the card you have then you'll never like using it.

Would it be better to get the 7900 XT over the 7900 GRE or is it not worth the extra £100?

[Maplez]

 

9 minutes ago, Woods_2212 said:

Would it be better to get the 7900 XT over the 7900 GRE or is it not worth the extra £100?

Eh, it performs better by around 15% and has more VRAM but I personally wouldn't go with it, at that point you might as well go for the rx 7900 xtx.

But if you think that extra 4gb of VRAM and processing power might come in handy for some fun experiment then go for it.

[Woods_2212]

1 minute ago, Maplez said:

 

Eh, it performs better by around 15% and has more VRAM but I personally wouldn't go with it, at that point you might as well go for the rx 7900 xtx.

But if you think that extra 4gb of VRAM and processing power might come in handy for some fun experiment then go for it.

I'll stick with the GRE then. Do you have a recommended monitor I should get? 

[OddOod]

Even though NV stopped supporting Shield streaming, it still exists in GeForce and I love it for bare metal grade remoting in. Many people don't use that though.
The NVENC encoder is SPECTACTULAR, and while AMD's version isn't too bad, it's less widely supported. But again, few people use that
NV cards hold value like nobody's business. Reselling them is a breeze, though a lot of people just don't bother with the hassle of reselling old hardware.
NV tends to have far more stable GPU drivers with fewer weird little bugs or inexplicable crashes. 

On the other hand, it's important to support non-dominant market players in the space so a not small fraction of people just buy AMD to support the (current) underdog.

[Maplez]

6 minutes ago, Woods_2212 said:

I'll stick with the GRE then. Do you have a recommended monitor I should get? 

I only have experience with 1080p and 1440p 16:9 monitors.

Now for the GRE I'd recommend a 1440p monitor, now if you are going to play at 1080p on a 1440p monitor it is going to look bad so keep that in mind.

[Salted Spinach]

4 hours ago, Woods_2212 said:

Could you guys please help me out as it will be my first PC and i probably won't be upgrading it any time soon...

Are you buying a graphics card with the goal of having good performance for a longer time, or for the sake of selling it?

 

If its the former, you gona want better raw raster performance and ample amount of VRAM for games that come out in the coming years. Especially if you see the possibility of eventually getting a 4K display

 

08:15

 

[Bagzie]

12 hours ago, Agall said:

DLSS frame gen is more reliable than Radeon's frame gen, but Radeon's can be applied to any game.

 

If you're primarily playing AAA games, I'd go with the 4070 Super. If you're not playing mostly AAA RT titles, then the 7900 GRE should fair better in the long run.

 

Really it comes down to what you value. 4070 Super should have better resale value in a few years too since it meets the minimum requirements for a lot of AI acceleration technology.

Are you confusing FSR3 with FMF?

[Mihle]

I am wondering the same thing.

Personally, my monitor is 4k, so at the moment I am thinking the extra VRAM is more important. Kind of want to try DLSS instead of FSR to see if its so much better as some people claim.

 

Also, some benchmarks I looked at, it looks like the RT performance difference, get smaller and smaller the higher resolution you play at. The difference is large at 1080p but much smaller at 4k. But that might change in the future too?

 

[jaslion]

On 9/11/2024 at 4:34 PM, Middcore said:

 

AI doesn't enter into it. Nvidia cards are just way easier to resell, speaking from experience. People do not want to buy secondhand Radeon cards, even at deep discounts. Nvidia mindshare is too strong. 

Absolutly! However then the second flipside of the coin is that when I sell completes people will happily pay more for more vram which usually means a radeon card. If I put a same performance nvidia in there yeah nope they want less. Super common where the gtx 1660 6gb systems sell for less than the 8gb rx580's for some reason.

 

Same with the 6700XT 12gb rigs vs 3070 8GB same price for both usually.

 

But then when selling the chip itself good luck amd.

 

Make it make sense.

 

As for op the 7900gre is going to be the solid long run pick. Vram usage is picking up rapidly and you can max 12gb when raytracing with relative ease. Dlss also uses vram quite a bit so not hard to also run into a ceiling there.

[Woods_2212]

2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

7900gre is going to be the solid long run pick

What about the 7800XT would that also be a good option?

[jaslion]

42 minutes ago, Woods_2212 said:

What about the 7800XT would that also be a good option?

Its slower than thr 4070

[Woods_2212]

19 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Its slower than thr 4070

i have looked and it seems to be only around 5-10fps slower than the GRE, and can keep up with the 4070 super in games 

[ulookuglynoob]

1 hour ago, Woods_2212 said:

i have looked and it seems to be only around 5-10fps slower than the GRE, and can keep up with the 4070 super in games 

The 7900GRE would be my personal pick since it has more performance, but if the difference isn't too huge for you, then you should get the 7800xt. the 4070 is a lot more expensive, so don't get that.

[Salted Spinach]

On 9/13/2024 at 2:19 AM, Woods_2212 said:

i have looked and it seems to be only around 5-10fps slower than the GRE, and can keep up with the 4070 super in games 

Here is a 5 day old video (as at the time of making this reply) for you to verify yourself. Uploader tested multiple games at 1080p, 1440p, and 4k

 

[Darkseth]

7900 GRE and 4070 Super are basicly same performance: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Grafikkarte-97980/Specials/Rangliste-GPU-Grafikchip-Benchmark-1174201/
+- 1-2% will never be noticeable.

Average over all resolutions. Both are like 8-9% faster than 7800XT, which is usually cheaper.

 

In Raytracing, 4070 Super beats the 4070 GRE depending on Game and settings with like 20-70%~ more fps. 

Also, 220w vs. 260w~.

 

If you don't are about Raytracing and want rather always ultra-super-texture settings, 7900GRE is a nice and solid choice.

If yo like using Raytracing (maybe even with optimized Settings), enjoy the higher quality DLSS, and wouldn't mind dropping Texture-Settings from Ultra to High in the extreme-scenario of those 3-5 Games that might break through 12gb Vram, i'd prefer the 4070 Super.

 

12gb vs. 16gb Vram is really no that of a big deal as many might make it look like. Even at 1440p, it's fine even in Ultra settings in almost all Games. A Single-Digit Amount of Games already exist, where 12gb Vram is slightly not enough, and causes late texture-renderings. Like Star wars Outlaws, but that's a Bug and will be adressed. Idk, by how much tho.

[Woods_2212]

8 minutes ago, Darkseth said:

7900 GRE and 4070 Super are basicly same performance: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Grafikkarte-97980/Specials/Rangliste-GPU-Grafikchip-Benchmark-1174201/
+- 1-2% will never be noticeable.

Average over all resolutions. Both are like 8-9% faster than 7800XT, which is usually cheaper.

 

In Raytracing, 4070 Super beats the 4070 GRE depending on Game and settings with like 20-70%~ more fps. 

Also, 220w vs. 260w~.

 

If you don't are about Raytracing and want rather always ultra-super-texture settings, 7900GRE is a nice and solid choice.

If yo like using Raytracing (maybe even with optimized Settings), enjoy the higher quality DLSS, and wouldn't mind dropping Texture-Settings from Ultra to High in the extreme-scenario of those 3-5 Games that might break through 12gb Vram, i'd prefer the 4070 Super.

 

12gb vs. 16gb Vram is really no that of a big deal as many might make it look like. Even at 1440p, it's fine even in Ultra settings in almost all Games. A Single-Digit Amount of Games already exist, where 12gb Vram is slightly not enough, and causes late texture-renderings. Like Star wars Outlaws, but that's a Bug and will be adressed. Idk, by how much tho.

Thank you for all the information. I have decided to just go all out and get the 7900 XTX, this should provide enough VRAM for a long time and I have seen that I can max out graphics and get a high frame rate.