Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE CPU Air Cooler Wattage and fan position questions?

[NazCrankHank]

How many watts does the "Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE CPU Air Cooler" expend? Obviously what the motherboard provides it with, correct? How much would that be...

 

Also, how high up can I let the fans be? (Like in diagram)

 

I need it for an AMD Ryzen 9 7900x3d CPU. 

 

Any advice? Should I get another cooler? Going to add my GIGABYTE AORUS 4090 GPU after i solve this.

[TPCEA]

230W at max. It will have absolutely no trouble with that CPU.

 

You can let the fans be as high as you want. 

[NazCrankHank]

Motherboard image please check it says max 12W for CPU_FAN -- do you mean CPU spending Watts? Or how much the fan sucks out of PSU?

 

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Asus ROG Strix B659E-I Gaming WIFI motherboard...

 

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Also I don't think the fan can be so high up... just a little higher I propose? Just for a little more clarification if you or anyone may? Just in case (I'll be testing meanwhile)

[TPCEA]

1A for a fan header is standard. How many you can connect depends on how many amps each draws. For example, if you have fans that draw .2A each, then you can have 5 attached, but if they are .21, then only 4. Trying to draw more than 1A off a header can cause it and/or the mobo to become damaged. Since you don't have an AIO, you can use all 3 headers, but make sure they are set to the correct setting (auto/DC/PWM).

 

You can adjust the fan height. Given that you have a cool CPU, it won't really impact the maximum TDP (^oC/watt) to the point that your CPU will overheat.

230W TDP (think of it as thermal dissipation potential).

[NazCrankHank]

2 hours ago, RevGAM said:

1A for a fan header is standard. How many you can connect depends on how many amps each draws. For example, if you have fans that draw .2A each, then you can have 5 attached, but if they are .21, then only 4. Trying to draw more than 1A off a header can cause it and/or the mobo to become damaged. Since you don't have an AIO, you can use all 3 headers, but make sure they are set to the correct setting (auto/DC/PWM).

 

You can adjust the fan height. Given that you have a cool CPU, it won't really impact the maximum TDP (^oC/watt) to the point that your CPU will overheat.

230W TDP (think of it as thermal dissipation potential).

Sorry 230W was for the cpu again, correct?

And potential word's relation is... ball being uphill correct? Like potential energy, right?? Also "power draw" is when we imagine electrons moving from positive to negative or from negative to positive poles?

 

Because if peripheral has a power draw, then it is sucking electrons from PSU?

 

Which means a socket has a voltage and current in Amps? And not just voltage? I can't connect how it is a power draw and not the socket shoving 8A into a component (like a PSU) <--- this is where I heard 8A is aloooot... __AND THAT IT IS WHAT A WALL SOCKET PROVIDES!__

 

(P(watt) = Current(I) * Voltage(V)

      ---> 240 * 8 = 1920W...)

Which is... alot of WATTS? Or Not???

 

https://www.thermalright.com/product/phantom-spirit-120-se-black/

[ at mid of page in specs: "...Ampere：0.20 A..." ---> which is max of at 12V of 2.4W.. correct? ]

Assume 12W and 1A of CPU_FAN?? I'm not even sure if it is 12V...

 

Thanks,

-Nasser

 

 

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, NazCrankHank said:

Sorry 230W was for the cpu again, correct?

And potential word's relation is... ball being uphill correct? Like potential energy, right?? Also "power draw" is when we imagine electrons moving from positive to negative or from negative to positive poles?

 

Because if peripheral has a power draw, then it is sucking electrons from PSU?

 

Which means a socket has a voltage and current in Amps? And not just voltage? I can't connect how it is a power draw and not the socket shoving 8A into a component (like a PSU) <--- this is where I heard 8A is aloooot... __AND THAT IT IS WHAT A WALL SOCKET PROVIDES!__

 

(P(watt) = Current(I) * Voltage(V)

      ---> 240 * 8 = 1920W...)

Which is... alot of WATTS? Or Not???

 

https://www.thermalright.com/product/phantom-spirit-120-se-black/

[ at mid of page in specs: "...Ampere：0.20 A..." ---> which is max of at 12V of 2.4W.. correct? ]

Assume 12W and 1A of CPU_FAN?? I'm not even sure if it is 12V...

 

Thanks,

-Nasser

 

 

Are you sure you're thinking about this all the correct way?

[NazCrankHank]

Who me? Things I said were questions, not statements

[TPCEA]

13 hours ago, NazCrankHank said:

Sorry 230W was for the cpu again, correct?

And potential word's relation is... ball being uphill correct? Like potential energy, right?? Also "power draw" is when we imagine electrons moving from positive to negative or from negative to positive poles?

 

Because if peripheral has a power draw, then it is sucking electrons from PSU?

 

Which means a socket has a voltage and current in Amps? And not just voltage? I can't connect how it is a power draw and not the socket shoving 8A into a component (like a PSU) <--- this is where I heard 8A is aloooot... __AND THAT IT IS WHAT A WALL SOCKET PROVIDES!__

 

(P(watt) = Current(I) * Voltage(V)

      ---> 240 * 8 = 1920W...)

Which is... alot of WATTS? Or Not???

 

https://www.thermalright.com/product/phantom-spirit-120-se-black/

[ at mid of page in specs: "...Ampere：0.20 A..." ---> which is max of at 12V of 2.4W.. correct? ]

Assume 12W and 1A of CPU_FAN?? I'm not even sure if it is 12V...

You're getting a bit over my head with this kind of details but I'll answer what I can. 

 

230W

TDP means 2 things.

 

If you're talking about a processor, for example, TDP is the max heat production expressed in watts. Yes, I find that confusing. Why they couldn't use a discrete word is beyond my ken. 

 

If you're talking about a cooler, it is the potential maximum amount of heat it can displace, assuming optimal compatibility with the CPU. This is also expressed as watts. Sigh. 

 

Apparently, the calculations for Intel and AMD are different, the IHS curvature are different, the chip positioning is different, etc, so what will maximally dissipate 230W on one will do less on another.

 

Potential

Potential refers to the maximum possible heat production/ dissipation.

 

Electrons

This is beyond my ability to give more than a basic answer. Anything that uses electricity does whatever it is that provides the actual flow of electrity. I was taught that it is electrons moving, but a Veritasium video suggests that is inaccurate.

 

Socket

It doesn't draw anything. It is just a receptacle. Think of it as power outlet. The CPU is what uses the electricity,  and volts watts and amps are all expressions of that usage. I lack the knowledge to go deeper than that. 

 

Fans

These days, most PC fans run at 12V. If it's an RGB fan, the lights draw 12V, too. If it's ARGB, 5V instead of 12V. So that 12V minimum but the important part is the actual draw. So, yes, if it's .2A then that it 2.4W.

 

If your fans (without lights) draw 12V and 12W, that is 12/12=1A. If they have lights, you do a separate calculation for those. And, of course, keep in mind that those numbers can fluctuate from 0 to the safety maximum, which isn't even shown on most PC fans and isn't necessarily the same as the rated value.

 

Hopefully, if I've made any errors, someone who's better at math and electronics will step in. 

[freeagent]

I can run my 5900X at 260w PPT with that cooler.

[Middcore]

OP seems to be concerned that the fans on their cooler will take more power than the fan headers on the motherboard can deliver because they are "12 Watt."

 

The people answering are talking about how much heat from the CPU the cooler can handle, which is usually measured in Watts.

[freeagent]

The stock fans are pretty weak, I wouldn’t be concerned in the slightest.

 

The same goes for almost every other consumer grade fan out there.

[NazCrankHank]

Yeah.. I thought printed error or something... 

 

Edit: sorry, I meant printing error. Like I thought maybe there are printing errors.

Edited September 13, 2024 by NazCrankHank