PC for AI and ML developing and gaming!

[Anees Nashath]

Budget (including currency): N/A

Country: United Kingdom

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: My main objective is to perform AI and ML model training but I also play a few MMORPG and FPS games like Lost Ark, God of War, Destiny, PUBG, and I know it's a dead game but I also play New World.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Well I thought of just getting a high-end workstation and play these games on my laptop that I am currently using which is running on a I5 12500H and a RTX 3050ti (this is ASUS TUF F17) but I was hoping if there could be a chance where I can get my complex models to run and play these games when I am not training models since I can't do both at the same time as the model training itself occupies almost all of my cores if I choose to run them on CPU and if I use GPU then it's going to be a big NO! the last model I trained had 2 TB of data training and my laptop took 2 weeks of continues running to get the model to get trained

 

So just to be clear I do not have a desktop, a monitor or any high-end peripherals so I will need a complete setup. I'm a student saving up of for this PC by working part-time jobs by day and study after work so I don't exactly have a budget set right now but I do want my PC to last longer and give me the best outcome if it costs more then I guess I just have to work more for it

 

[igormp]

Without a budget and details on what kind of models you're running it's hard to give you good recommendations.

 

Anyway, since I'm also one planning on doing a new build mostly meant for ML stuff, here's something that's similar to what I had planned:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X 4.3 GHz 16-Core Processor  (£584.67 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£48.88 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£449.17 @ NeoComputers) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 192 GB (4 x 48 GB) DDR5-5200 CL38 Memory  (£599.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Kingston KC3000 4.096 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£250.67 @ NeoComputers) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB Video Card 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB Video Card 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£99.98 @ Scan.co.uk) 
Total: £2033.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-09 23:11 BST+0100

 

Grab two used 3090s from your local market and you're golden. For a single GPU that PSU is more than enough, for two it'd be better if you power limited the GPUs, or go with a bigger PSU.

I personally have 2x3090s with a 850W PSU without issues (with a 275W power limit to both).

 

If you don't plan on ever using two GPUs, you can likely go for a cheaper motherboard.

 

The KC3000 was cheap and is my current boot drive, so I can personally vouch for it, but I'm not sure if there are better options.

Not sure on the PSU quality, it seemed like a good one after a quick check. Same goes for the cooler.

[podkall]

Why not just keep it simple, you could even reduce the overall parts and just bank on GPU cranking the ML stuff.

 

Being at budget is kind of a disadvantage here, as in 90% of the price ranges, Nvidia will almost always be more expensive, except you need Nvidia, which is the slightly frustrating part.

 

Now of course, you can opt for cheaper GPU, if the budget would mean forever saving up for, just putting out that 4070 Ti, and Super, which don't have either or both in their name, have all 12GB of VRAM, if you need that.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£174.99 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£128.25 @ NeoComputers)
Memory: *Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£97.55 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN580 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£56.05 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: *MSI VENTUS 2X GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (£734.72 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  (£74.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750BN PCIE5 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£74.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £1341.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-09 23:05 BST+0100

[podkall]

13 minutes ago, igormp said:

Anyway, since I'm also one planning on doing a new build mostly meant for ML stuff, here's something that's similar to what I had planned:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X 4.3 GHz 16-Core Processor  (£584.67 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£48.88 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£449.17 @ NeoComputers) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 192 GB (4 x 48 GB) DDR5-5200 CL38 Memory  (£599.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Kingston KC3000 4.096 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£250.67 @ NeoComputers) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB Video Card 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB Video Card 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£99.98 @ Scan.co.uk) 
Total: £2033.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-09 23:11 BST+0100

Is ProArt the cheapest board that supports 2x GPU in 8x lane config?

[igormp]

10 minutes ago, podkall said:

Is ProArt the cheapest board that supports 2x GPU in 8x lane config?

On AM5 the cheapest one is the B650 ProArt.

There aren't many options for dual x8/x8 motherboards with AM5

21 minutes ago, podkall said:

Video Card: *MSI VENTUS 2X GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (£734.72 @ Amazon UK)

A quick look on ebay uk shows that 3090s/3090ti go for cheaper than that 4070TI Super. If OP is ok with used products, I'd say it's a way better pick.

[podkall]

24 minutes ago, igormp said:

On AM5 the cheapest one is the B650 ProArt.

There aren't many options for dual x8/x8 motherboards with AM5

you could go for B650, unless you have anything that requires X670 chipset

[igormp]

36 minutes ago, podkall said:

you could go for B650, unless you have anything that requires X670 chipset

I was thinking of either the b650 since it's cheaper, or the x670 for pcie 5.0 (in case I ever plan to move from my 2x3090)

 

I'm personally still waiting for 64gb UDIMMs to become a thing anyway. 

[Anees Nashath]

Thank you for the support and this is one of the model I picked up based on my necessities I need at least32 gb of GPU storage but the 3090 seems to be way more expensive than the 4090 so I made this sample set up and can you peps help me refining it more 
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wBVxn6

Thanks and note this is my first time trying to build a PC so please don't roast me or anything 

[igormp]

14 minutes ago, Anees Nashath said:

but the 3090 seems to be way more expensive than the 4090

Have you looked at used products? On ebay uk I can see 3090s for less than 600 gbp.

15 minutes ago, Anees Nashath said:

so I made this sample set up and can you peps help me refining it more 
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wBVxn6

That motherboard has no propper support for dual GPUs.

You either need to go with a B650 ProArt (only b650 model that supports x8/x8), or look into other x670 options that have such support.

 

I dislike your RAM picking. You'd be better off with 2x48GB. And if you actually plan to use 2 GPUs with a total of 48GB of vram, you'd be better going for 192GB with 4x48GB sticks. Be aware to go for 5200~5600MHz sticks, otherwise you'll have issues enabling XMP and will need to manually configure timings and whatnot.

6000MHz won't work at all with 128GB, and likely won't work with 192GB either.

 

I'm not a fan of water cooling, but you do you.