Why are OLEDs dirt cheap when compared to LED monitors?

[venomtail]

@Stahlmann @xg32 @Doobeedoo @Electronics Wizardy and the rest following, this was the video that threw me off from my perception of wanting to go OLED, QD- or W-. How valid or biased is this sort of comparison?

 

Then again, seeing a detailed review sort of puts into perspective how both have their advantages but whilst brightness is important might not be the be all end all?

Might have to go with a QD-OLED after all. Gonna have to be very pro active with dark modes and baby the panel. ASUS has a new one coming out soon that has a lot more care modes and a thinker panel to help keep the temperatures down. Oop, it's a 27'' 1440p OLED my bad.

[Stahlmann]

27 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Then again, seeing a detailed review sort of puts into perspective how both have their advantages but whilst brightness is important might not be the be all end all?

I'd say brightness is definetly important, but not everything. While OLEDs aren't the brightest, they're still bright enough to have good HDR. The other advantages like the lack of pixel overdrive, pixel-perfect dimming are really where OLED shines.

 

27 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Might have to go with a QD-OLED after all. Gonna have to be very pro active with dark modes and baby the panel. ASUS has a new one coming out soon that has a lot more care modes and a thinker panel to help keep the temperatures down. Oop, it's a 27'' 1440p OLED my bad.

I don't think babying the panel is necessary as long as your use case includes some variety. Just set windows to turn off your monitor after 5-10 minutes of inactivity and remember to lock your PC when walking away, which automatically turns the monitor off after 1-2 minutes and also set a plain black background for your lock screen.

 

I don't even hide the taskbar and even disabled global dimming in the service menu of my TV. But I left logo detection enabled and let it run it's compensation cycles after turning the PC off.

 

At some point you'll forget that you're even using an OLED monitor and just enjoy it. There's really not much you need to worry about as long as the monitor is primarily for personal use.

[Doobeedoo]

29 minutes ago, venomtail said:

@Stahlmann @xg32 @Doobeedoo @Electronics Wizardy and the rest following, this was the video that threw me off from my perception of wanting to go OLED, QD- or W-. How valid or biased is this sort of comparison?

 

Then again, seeing a detailed review sort of puts into perspective how both have their advantages but whilst brightness is important might not be the be all end all?

Might have to go with a QD-OLED after all. Gonna have to be very pro active with dark modes and baby the panel. ASUS has a new one coming out soon that has a lot more care modes and a thinker panel to help keep the temperatures down. Oop, it's a 27'' 1440p OLED my bad.

Some things are just harder to convey and compare through video, once you see OLED you don't want to go back to LCD really. Also I'm not sure how the vid was recorded, but based on the near pitch black room the OLED just seems way dimmer then it should be or would appear in person in dark room. Makes no sense, this kinda portrays it like it's way lower nits in general and only usable in dark which is not true. 

The SDR/HDR really can depend from monitor to monitor but also game it self and HDR is still kinda mess on Windows too. But, OLED at least is more true HDR type of display as it's per pixel illumination and not distracting zones that have number of issues, also better contrast too. VRR flicker can be mitigated.

Another thing OLED is way faster in pixel response time so no blur in fast motion, I care a lot for that too. 

 

Note you're watching these demos on your yxz monitor and whatever lighting too, so grain of salt. I'm not going to use a monitor outside in a yard or in living room with ton of day light windows and lights that way higher brightness will be critical. Still can see in some demo parts that OLED has more detail and correct contrast. Again, not sure how camera was configured to record the demo and light sensitivity but it's odd seeing such dark room and OLED being that darker. Because in a room with general soft ceiling light it will be a no issued let alone in such a dark room, it will still cause strain, let a alone a much higher nit monitor.

 

[venomtail]

6 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Note you're watching these demos on your yxz monitor and whatever lighting too, so grain of salt. I'm not going to use a monitor outside in a yard or in living room with ton of day light windows and lights that way higher brightness will be critical. Still can see in some demo parts that OLED has more detail and correct contrast. Again, not sure how camera was configured to record the demo and light sensitivity but it's odd seeing such dark room and OLED being that darker. Because in a room with general soft ceiling light it will be a no issued let alone in such a dark room, it will still cause strain, let a alone a much higher nit monitor.

I've watched it on my S23+ at 100% brightness in a pitch black room... because I couldn't fall asleep. Dude said in the video the mini led monitor also was capped at 60% brightness otherwise the brightness difference for his camera would really make the OLED dull looking.

 

Yea, in the video I can see both justifications. Mini LED Brightness is noticeable. The mini LED blooming is noticeable. The OLED better colours were clear and so contrast.

 

11 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

I'd say brightness is definetly important, but not everything. While OLEDs aren't the brightest, they're still bright enough to have good HDR. The other advantages like the lack of pixel overdrive, pixel-perfect dimming are really where OLED shines.

 

I don't think babying the panel is necessary as long as your use case includes some variety. Just set windows to turn off your monitor after 5-10 minutes of inactivity and remember to lock your PC when walking away, which automatically turns the monitor off after 1-2 minutes and also set a plain black background for your lock screen.

 

I don't even hide the taskbar and even disabled global dimming in the service menu of my TV. But I left logo detection enabled and let it run it's compensation cycles after turning the PC off.

 

At some point you'll forget that you're even using an OLED monitor and just enjoy it. There's really not much you need to worry about as long as the monitor is primarily for personal use.

I haven't had the best luck with OLED burn in. That being said this Samsung is the first OLED I'm trying to baby as for my old LG and Samsung I just wasn't aware. Recent video by Harbour Unboxed paints OLED durability as bitter sweet:

[GuiltySpark_]

1 minute ago, venomtail said:

Recent video by Harbour Unboxed paints OLED durability as bitter sweet:

Yeah I think people that watched that and thought "oh that's horrible" missed the point entirely. I think its performance was fantastic given what it was subjected to.

[Stahlmann]

5 minutes ago, venomtail said:

I've watched it on my S23+ at 100% brightness in a pitch black room... because I couldn't fall asleep. Dude said in the video the mini led monitor also was capped at 60% brightness otherwise the brightness difference for his camera would really make the OLED dull looking.

 

Yea, in the video I can see both justifications. Mini LED Brightness is noticeable. The mini LED blooming is noticeable. The OLED better colours were clear and so contrast.

 

I haven't had the best luck with OLED burn in. That being said this Samsung is the first OLED I'm trying to baby as for my old LG and Samsung I just wasn't aware. Recent video by Harbour Unboxed paints OLED durability as bitter sweet:

You'll have to keep in mind what he mentiones multiple times: He ONLY uses the montior for his work, around 10 hours daily, with nothing else in between. No gaming, etc. This is pretty much a worst-case scenario for OLED.

 

I love this long-term test. But from the beginning I feared that many people will misunderstand the whole thing as "OLED bad".

[Doobeedoo]

14 minutes ago, venomtail said:

I've watched it on my S23+ at 100% brightness in a pitch black room... because I couldn't fall asleep. Dude said in the video the mini led monitor also was capped at 60% brightness otherwise the brightness difference for his camera would really make the OLED dull looking.

 

Yea, in the video I can see both justifications. Mini LED Brightness is noticeable. The mini LED blooming is noticeable. The OLED better colours were clear and so contrast.

That's insane, my eyes hurt without even going near 100%. But yeah, unless someone really needs very high brightness in general I'd just go OLED especially now price wise it's a no brainer to me. For sure further improvements in brightness for OLED will be great with new displays but as of now it's enough for me and I use my monitor mostly with ceiling light on and no issues.

[xg32]

1 hour ago, venomtail said:

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so the problem with a video like that is the camera and the screen you are watching it with, it depends. 

 

Whats important again depends on the person, brightness doesn't matter in a blacked out room.

 

TLDR i think currently the best choice is the black out the room and go qd-oled.

[Motifator]

Get a 27 if you're not after big panels, cause they tend to be the better models without the fuzzy text issues of the older 34 QD'ers.

Also higher refresh rate, not that it matters much at that point, but still.

I'd personally side with a 34 though.

[Andrewtst]

I have Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 and Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 previously and nor-matter how good an Mini LED are, the glowing at mouse cursor and subtitle is an nightmare, it is very bright, yes but crush black can happen in many scenario.

 

Now I am using Samsung Odyssey OLED G9, LG OLED Flex and LG OLED C9 and many OLED screen from mobile to tablet.

 

I will not going back mini LED - to me it is a very bad screen tech, even traditional LED LCD was better.

Mini LED is a tech trying hard to get pure black and ignore the bad consequences output of the rest.

 

The only Mini LED screen I have now is Apple MacBook Pro and no deny this Mini LED is the best Mini LED screen I ever have but I will still immediately change it once OLED model is out.