G Sync Pulsar by NGreedia - Anyone else excited?

[Gas Racing]

 

Summary

The new Gsync Pulsar featuresVRR with Blacklight strobing.

I am looking forward to this feature being widely avaliable. 

 

Quotes

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G-SYNC Pulsar is the next evolution of Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) technology, not only delivering a stutter-free experience and buttery smooth motion, but also a new gold standard for visual clarity and fidelity through the invention of variable frequency strobing. This boosts effective motion clarity to over 1000Hz on the debut ASUS ROG Swift PG27 Series G-SYNC gaming monitor, launching later this year.

 

My thoughts

The new 240hrtz/480hrtz OLED 4k/1080p monitors looks amazing. But who the F has a rig that can push 240 fps at 4k? With VRR and Backlight strobing one only needs 120fps to use all 240hrtz of the monitors abilities. In the case one can't hold a locked 120fps, they can still use the backlight strobing as well now. This gives hope for the ability to use pure raster (and not be a slave to dlss and frame gen) to get a smooth gaming experience... even at 4k 240hrtz or 1080p 480hrtz.

 

Lets just pray the oleds are bright enough to use with the black light strobing.

 

Sources

 https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g-sync-pulsar-gaming-monitor/

[AbydosOne]

15 minutes ago, Gas Racing said:

Blacklight strobing

15 minutes ago, Gas Racing said:

black light strobing

 

Backlight strobing? Or do panels now have UV functionality? /s

[porina]

It will be interesting to see if we can get more affordable "full" G-Sync displays even if G-Sync Compatible ones are good enough for the masses.

 

I recently got a 240 Hz 4k display and it's fine. You don't have to hit 240 Hz all the time as long as you can hit a suitable fps for games. I never seriously tried BFI and have only ever owned one display capable of it, so it isn't necessarily for me. I'd rather have even higher resolution than 4k given a choice, and my main application is gaming.

[GuiltySpark_]

When its available through regular GSync Compatible displays, sure. Though I'm perfectly happy with a 120Hz OLED right now so I'm not the target audience. 

[Quackers101]

backlight on OLED sounds weird, but if its like an version of bright OLED displays using that extra white as an strobe effect?
while its not for everyone, and what extra cost or issues this might have for oled. some strobe effects are better than others.

 

also anything higher than 1080p if wanting those good details, so hope some nice monitors come for this.

 

"Ultra Low Motion Blur 2: Over 1000 Hz Of Effective Motion Clarity"

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g-sync-ultra-low-motion-blur-2/

[RejZoR]

Not really. They can't even make old monitors that are allegedly G-Sync "compatible" but "not really" like ROG Swift PG27AQDM function correctly. ASUS claims it's compatible, NVIDIA claims it's not. But hey, who gives a shit about 1000€ OLED monitor, there's new tech called G-Sync Pulsar so you buy another 1000€ OLED that's hopefully supporting this new stuff better. Depending on whose claims you look at.

[Quackers101]

4 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

 Depending on whose claims you look at.

firmware update, tehe   no bugs here

[RejZoR]

1 hour ago, Quackers101 said:

firmware update, tehe   no bugs here

It does nothing and NV Control Panel still claims it's not G-Sync compatible certified. ASUS claims it is. It's BS.

[Gas Racing]

2 hours ago, AbydosOne said:

 

Backlight strobing? Or do panels now have UV functionality? /s

Don't be racist

[starsmine]

Probably should not editorialized the title like that in a news topic. 

really cool to see it being added to the LG C4
not seeing any monitor im interested in in my price brackets on their list of first launches. 

The lack of ULMB being usable at the same time as VRR has been a large pain in the ass, so being able to use the two together is really nice to see going forward.

[JediFragger]

Unless they can prove themselves to be absolutely superior then the market is going to reject these in favour of 360/480Hz OLED panels, without a shadow of a doubt.

[starsmine]

4 hours ago, JediFragger said:

Unless they can prove themselves to be absolutely superior then the market is going to reject these in favour of 360/480Hz OLED panels, without a shadow of a doubt.

For what purpose?
No one is running 4k at 360 fps. 
The new games coming out in this next year are hard enough to run at 4k 60 fps with even a 4090. (wukong and FFXVI)

[LAwLz]

13 hours ago, porina said:

It will be interesting to see if we can get more affordable "full" G-Sync displays even if G-Sync Compatible ones are good enough for the masses.

We most likely will. 

Nvidia has partnered with Mediatek to incorporate full G-Sync compatibility into their scalers. 

 

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/mediatek-g-sync-displays/

 

 

Say what you want about G-Sync, but it's hard to ignore that it is revolutionary and far superior to FreeSync (although maybe not to FreeSync Premium Pro). 

[RejZoR]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

We most likely will. 

Nvidia has partnered with Mediatek to incorporate full G-Sync compatibility into their scalers. 

 

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/mediatek-g-sync-displays/

 

 

Say what you want about G-Sync, but it's hard to ignore that it is revolutionary and far superior to FreeSync (although maybe not to FreeSync Premium Pro). 

It's also hard to ignore that it's additional cost bolted on top of already premium monitors that ONLY works with NVIDIA graphic cards.

[JediFragger]

2 hours ago, starsmine said:

No one is running 4k at 360 fps. 

No-one mentioned 4k.

[Doobeedoo]

This is nothing new, we had monitors that used VRR with strobing. Though didn't work best and were older panels. This is just inproved on that with better panels. But, I want to see OLEDs offer proper BFI and can use VRR also, they are way better for this anyway.

Not a single 240Hz BFI OLED yet. Also wdym I can easily push high fps nearing 1000 in games where you want that.

[Stahlmann]

You might be disappointed to see that backlight strobing (more accurately black frame insertion or BFI) isn't as effective on OLED. Turns out just making every 2nd frame black isn't as effective as the shorter pulse width strobing seen on LCDs. And because of the way it's implemented on OLED it basically always cuts brightness precisely in half. Since I personally mostly bought into OLED because of HDR, I can't ever see myself making the brightness tradeoff and using BFI.

 

Contrary to what OP seems to believe, a 240Hz OLED using BFI, effectively running at 120Hz with every other frame being black, is not as clear as a 240Hz LCD with good strobing. It's not as simple as that.

 

Competitive games can easily push 500 FPS or more on modern hardware using competitive (low) settings. And since 480Hz OLEDs without strobing look basically identical to the best LCD panels using backlight strobing, I don't see the problem that needs to be solved.

 

Games like Valorant and CS2 at competitive settings run at over 200 FPS pretty easily, even at 4K. When running 480Hz on a dual mode OLED, the resolution drops to 1080p anyway, so achieving 480 FPS in competitive games is definetly possible.

[Stahlmann]

4 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Say what you want about G-Sync, but it's hard to ignore that it is revolutionary and far superior to FreeSync (although maybe not to FreeSync Premium Pro). 

Not anymore. It was better when the two technologies first launched, but nowadays even basic FreeSync monitors can offer all the same functionality.

 

Imo, having a native G-Sync scaler is more of a con than a pro. It requires active cooling, doesn't support newer connectors like HDMI 2.1 and DP 2.0, consumes much more power, and adds an extra $50-$100 to the monitor price. The key selling points native G-Sync initially brought to the table were the ability to use HDR and VRR simultaneously and variable overdrive. Now even some FreeSync monitors offer variable overdrive and I don't know a single FreeSync HDR monitor that can't use VRR while HDR is being used aswell.

 

The "Ultimate" certification initially was great, as it guaranteed variable overdrive and good HDR. But since they also cut these requirements back significantly, it doesn't even guarantee top-tier HDR anymore. Only "life-life HDR", which is completely open to interpretation.

 

So imo G-Sync has been obsolete for quite some time.

 

And with the rise of OLED monitors, variable overdrive becomes less and less important, making G-Sync matter even less.

[Gas Racing]

@Stahlmann

Many good points.

 

OLED and backlight strobing don't compliment well due to oleds insane pixle response time and already low brightness. This tech ain't gonna fix that any, so it is definitely a more viable option for the other pannel technologies. Dude can dream though, it's what keeps me excited in a hobby that gets stale at times.

 

Currently there are like 2 or 3 monitors that can do vrr + bls at the same time well. Pulsar will make it more widely avaliable. Always happy to see good tech trickle down. It's crazy to think vrr + HDR at the same time was exotic once, it's just expected now. Hopefully AMD steps up and makes it truly accessible to the masses, and not just people willing to get milked by Jensen. 

 

Supposedly the new Gsync chips won't have the laundry list of issues you listed above... time will tell. 

 

With the biggest baddest rig, sure them big FPS numbers are possible. My argument was "who the F has that rig?" According to the steam hardware survey, not many. But for all the peeps that have good (but not great) systems, hitting half a desired frame rate while getting the similar smoothness with better clarity and no latency loss... almost sounds to good to be true.

 

 

 

[Stahlmann]

59 minutes ago, Gas Racing said:

OLED and backlight strobing don't compliment well due to oleds insane pixle response time and already low brightness. This tech ain't gonna fix that any, so it is definitely a more viable option for the other pannel technologies. Dude can dream though, it's what keeps me excited in a hobby that gets stale at times.

I agree that the monitor market hasn't been moving much, that is up until the introduction of OLED monitors. They brought us new and better top-tier products and pushed down the price all LCD monitors signficantly faster than I expected. Remember, before OLED monitors were a thing, you'd look at $2000+ for an actual MiniLED HDR monitor. Now you can get 4K models for around $650-$700 and the one 1440p model from AOC for $280 including a >1000 nit MiniLED backlight.

 

59 minutes ago, Gas Racing said:

Currently there are like 2 or 3 monitors that can do vrr + bls at the same time well. Pulsar will make it more widely avaliable. Always happy to see good tech trickle down. It's crazy to think vrr + HDR at the same time was exotic once, it's just expected now. Hopefully AMD steps up and makes it truly accessible to the masses, and not just people willing to get milked by Jensen. 

Nvidia already tried to bring strobing+VRR to the masses with the introduction of ULMB2. Some brands also tried their own implementation. But ultimately, it seems there just isn't much interest for this. The people that want BFI will often still disable VRR for some reason or another, be it input lag or consistency. You don't actually want backlight strobing once the refresh rate gets to 60 or even lower, since flickering is just too distracting at that frequency to begin with.

 

59 minutes ago, Gas Racing said:

Supposedly the new Gsync chips won't have the laundry list of issues you listed above... time will tell. 

One can hope. But New G-Sync chips still have to offer something for brands to consider using them. Like I said, most - if not all - of G-Sync's initially exclusive features are available in simple FreeSync monitors nowadays. Current G-Sync is basically 'pay an extra $100 so your monitor has the G-Sync sticker'. But in reality, even G-Sync compatible (native FreeSync) monitors have that sticker. So native G-Sync is actually worthless imo.

 

59 minutes ago, Gas Racing said:

With the biggest baddest rig, sure them big FPS numbers are possible. My argument was "who the F has that rig?" According to the steam hardware survey, not many. But for all the peeps that have good (but not great) systems, hitting half a desired frame rate while getting the similar smoothness with better clarity and no latency loss... almost sounds to good to be true.

You could make the samre argument about the monitors: How many people would actually have one of these Pulsar monitors? Probably not many when looking at it from a percentage perspective. And it'll probably be expensive enough so only top-tier buyers can afford them anyway, just like past ULMB2 models or other monitors using a strobing+VRR implementation. I don't think it's gonna be accessible to mid-range buyers, at least not in the near future.

 

 

I also don't like to fiddle around with my monitors settings on a game-by-game basis. I want to set it up and forget about it. No matter how bright OLED monitors can get, it would still throw off HDR tonemapping. So it's something you need to enable and disable depending on the game you want to play.

[doubleagent214]

I am! Nvidia is taking the twins on the standard it made and actually enforcing and improving it. Unlike Intel and it's power plans or AMD and its.....power plans xD

[RejZoR]

I think OLED strobing could work with the tech Apple is using with dual layer OLED panel where bottom layer can act as a backlight where top layer acts as display layer. And they can probably program it to only partially operate as strobe and the rest acts as display depending on what it is displaying.

[Gas Racing]

@Stahlmann

you're a knowledgeable dude

 

my take is monitors are the most exciting thing in PC hardware currently actually... lol. 

the umlb2 implementation wasn't so good. I think asus and ben were the only two that had decent bfi (hearsay as Ive only read about it, no empirical experience on my part). investigating the feature showed it's lack of support and availability, but it's potential was clear. the thing i'm really excited about is amd releasing their version that works properly for free. 

 

thank you for the oled + HDR advice, I didn't know that.

 

@RejZoR

dual-layer OLED, thank you for putting on me radar

[Quackers101]

talking about image and monitors, one reason to be a little excited to see what intel does with their display engine and VVC.

as g-sync is quite the mess, if they have the module for it or not, and what is rated for what.

https://youtu.be/1LSF-II0l-4?t=1466

 

Edited August 22 by Quackers101

[Gas Racing]

18 minutes ago, Quackers101 said:

talking about image and monitors, one reason to be a little excited to see what intel does with their display engine and VVC.

as g-sync is quite the mess, if they have the module for it or not, and what is rated for what.

https://youtu.be/1LSF-II0l-4?t=1466

 

Efficency is boring... but Tom is entertaining so Im watching the video. 

90% power savings during video playback is darn impressive though. 

Big up to Mr. Peterson and his whole dang crew.