is my cpu a bottleneck?

[Fausteels]

So basically, I've got a ryzen 5 2600 and a rx 5600xt. I play a variety of games, and in a lot of them I often get poor performance, where I can barely get 60fps on medium to low settings. Depending on the game my gpu usage is between 60 and 100 percent, but my cpu doesn't seem to reach more than 60% most of the time, games like witcher 3 run fine even on ultra graphics at around 60-70fps, A way out on the other hand was barely running 30 to 50 fps even on most settings being low. Playing more cpu heavy games, gpu usage is around 30-60%, while cpu is about 60-80%. Would it be worth upgrading? Thinking of upgrading the cpu to ryzen 7 5800x, since my power supply and motherboard could handle that, as well as upgrade not being too expensive at the moment. 

[Renegade042]

Why not 5700 X3D?  It seems you game alot on your PC.

 

[Fausteels]

20 minutes ago, Renegade042 said:

Why not 5700 X3D?  It seems you game alot on your PC.

 

7 5800x is cheaper where I live, which would be the better choice?

[Renegade042]

For gaming 5700 X3D, for productivity 5800X.

 

[Tetras]

You might like to watch this:

 

It is a dated video though, in the sense that the 2600 does fall behind in some of the more recent games, where Zen+ can struggle.

 

It is also worth noting that your memory speed is very important for early Ryzen CPUs, to get the most out of them.

[Fausteels]

8 minutes ago, Tetras said:

You might like to watch this:

 

It is a dated video though, in the sense that the 2600 does fall behind in some of the more recent games, where Zen+ can struggle.

 

It is also worth noting that your memory speed is very important for early Ryzen CPUs, to get the most out of them.

yeah, my ram is running only at 2133, each time I try making it more than  2666 pc gets stuck in boot loop, so its probably the memory controller which is another reason why id like to upgrade from it. By my understanding from the video, its more of a gpu related thing than cpu?

[Renegade042]

BTW before you upgrade from your 2600 to a 5XXX do a BIOS update, also make sure your mobo

can take the new chip.

[starsmine]

7 minutes ago, Renegade042 said:

BTW before you upgrade from your 2600 to a 5XXX do a BIOS update, also make sure your mobo

can take the new chip.

only do this when you have the new chip in hand. as soon as you do it, it will not and will never boot with the 2600

[Fausteels]

1 minute ago, starsmine said:

only do this when you have the new chip in hand. as soon as you do it, it will not and will never boot with the 2600

I'm running the newest bios and chipset currently, and its all working fine, I could switch to 5000s without updating anything

[191x7]

57 minutes ago, Fausteels said:

So basically, I've got a ryzen 5 2600 and a rx 5600xt. I play a variety of games, and in a lot of them I often get poor performance, where I can barely get 60fps on medium to low settings. Depending on the game my gpu usage is between 60 and 100 percent, but my cpu doesn't seem to reach more than 60% most of the time, games like witcher 3 run fine even on ultra graphics at around 60-70fps, A way out on the other hand was barely running 30 to 50 fps even on most settings being low. Playing more cpu heavy games, gpu usage is around 30-60%, while cpu is about 60-80%. Would it be worth upgrading? Thinking of upgrading the cpu to ryzen 7 5800x, since my power supply and motherboard could handle that, as well as upgrade not being too expensive at the moment. 

The CPU does not need to be fully utilized to be a bottleneck. Yours has 6 cores 12 threads and most games still use 4-10 threads. Having 6 threads utilized 100% and the others 0% would show you a 50% usage...

 

Update your motherboard Bios and get the 5700X3D. Eventually the 5700X. But the X3D are way stronger for games. Not that it would matter with a 5600XT but you won't have that card forever...

 

 

[Fausteels]

3 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

The CPU does not need to be fully utilized to be a bottleneck. Yours has 6 cores 12 threads and most games still use 4-10 threads. Having 6 threads utilized 100% and the others 0% would show you a 50% usage...

 

Update your motherboard Bios and get the 5700X3D. Eventually the 5700X. But the X3D are way stronger for games. Not that it would matter with a 5600XT but you won't have that card forever...

 

 

So the best sollution would be upgrading cpu now, and eventually the gpu?

[191x7]

6 minutes ago, Fausteels said:

So the best sollution would be upgrading cpu now, and eventually the gpu?

Probably. But, to be sure, I'd need to know the rest of your specs including the monitor resolution you're using.

[Fausteels]

10 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Probably. But, to be sure, I'd need to know the rest of your specs including the monitor resolution you're using.

Well currently I'm using an asus b450m plus gaming for my motherboard and have a 600w psu, monitor is currently 1080p, although might change to 1440p if I decide to keep the current cpu. Not planning on changing the motherboard tho. 

 

[191x7]

6 minutes ago, Fausteels said:

Well currently I'm using an asus b450m plus gaming for my motherboard and have a 600w psu, monitor is currently 1080p, although might change to 1440p

Yes, the CPU first. The 5700X3D. And a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE or Peerless Assassin 120 for the cooling. Or any tower cooler with a 120mm fan.

 

For 1440p you'd need a stronger GPU to get playable framerates. The 5700X3D can do RTX 4070 Ti Super or Radeon 7900XT on 1440p without issues.

A 5700X/5800X tops at about a 4070 Super or RX 7800XT.

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, Fausteels said:

So the best sollution would be upgrading cpu now, and eventually the gpu?

well yeah... gpu might do for a long time still though, the thing is gpu bottleneck you could just lower settings,  cpu bottleneck you're usually in a situation where settings don't really matter. 

 

get a 5700X3D or 5800X, whatever is cheaper i guess, they're very similar the 3D is better for gaming though. 

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, Fausteels said:

although might change to 1440p if I decide to keep the current cpu. Not planning on changing the motherboard tho. 

not a good idea, if you get 1440p you need to definitely upgrade cpu and gpu even for semi old games... 1080p is the far better choice for your setup.

[Tetras]

2 hours ago, Fausteels said:

yeah, my ram is running only at 2133, each time I try making it more than  2666 pc gets stuck in boot loop, so its probably the memory controller which is another reason why id like to upgrade from it. By my understanding from the video, its more of a gpu related thing than cpu?

At the time the video was made, yes, though it is less true now.

 

2133 is definitely going to get you worse performance than you should with a 2nd gen Ryzen. How are you enabling the higher frequency? If you're not using XMP/DOCP then you also need to check the dram voltage.

[Fausteels]

4 hours ago, Tetras said:

At the time the video was made, yes, though it is less true now.

 

2133 is definitely going to get you worse performance than you should with a 2nd gen Ryzen. How are you enabling the higher frequency? If you're not using XMP/DOCP then you also need to check the dram voltage.

its by using docp, tried doing it manually as well, no matter which frequency I make, I can never set it higher than 2666 cause otherwise it just gets stuck in a boot loop.

[--SID--]

23 hours ago, Fausteels said:

its by using docp, tried doing it manually as well, no matter which frequency I make, I can never set it higher than 2666 cause otherwise it just gets stuck in a boot loop.

What's the brand and model of the RAM and PSU?

[Fausteels]

5 hours ago, --SID-- said:

What's the brand and model of the RAM and PSU?

ram is g.skill aegis 3200mhz, psu is some no name brand 80plus bronze

[toasty99]

1 hour ago, Fausteels said:

ram is g.skill aegis 3200mhz, psu is some no name brand 80plus bronze

You should have zero issue getting that to 3000mhz at the least. I'd suggest you watch some YouTube videos and learn how to manually time ram. 

 

It takes time to get ram stable, but you absolutely need to do that. You're leaving a massive amount of performance on the table.

 

The big thing in general with ram a lot of people forget is you need to make sure the SOC voltage is high enough to give the memory controller the power it needs to handle higher speed ram. It takes time playing with SOC and DRAM voltages to find the sweet spot, but it's absolutely worth it.

 

It's been YEARS since I've seen a kit that won't run 2666mhz at least stable. 

 

[Fausteels]

as I said before on this thread, I've tried both docp as well as manually, got the ram replaced by warranty since running one stick I could go to 3200, but as soon as id put the other one computer wouldnt boot, that was by using docp, manually I had some help from the person that built my computer, we didnt get past 2666mhz that way, but even on 2666 it was giving  bluescreens so we just left it at 2133. Ill try to look into this once more, but I still think that this is cpu memory controller fault. (gave ram to warranty after I decided to leave my computer in boot loop to see what happens, and after that the ram stick wouldnt show in bios when I put it in and stopped working completely)